somalis and islamic conquests
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I think the Arab Muslims ignored the HoA due to a Hadith that prohibited offensive warfare against the Habeshas/Axumites.
Everywhere else like Iran, North Africa, South & Central Asia e.g was free game.
Everywhere else like Iran, North Africa, South & Central Asia e.g was free game.
Regg
Stroking my Australinimo
I see it this way; the Arabs didn't need to because the people in the HoA welcomed them and was open to Islam. Keeping the coast for strategical reasons without facing any resistance is another indicator of this.
Unlike MENA, West Asia and Eastern Europe where there were empires, militaries and local resistance so conquering it by force was the only way for them.
Unlike MENA, West Asia and Eastern Europe where there were empires, militaries and local resistance so conquering it by force was the only way for them.
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Mainly for two reasons.
1) northern somalia is mostly arid and kinda similar to Arabia when it comes to climate. Arabs traded in Zeila, Berbera and other ports and occasionally controlled them briefly ( i think a yemeni dinasty briefly occupied Zeila) but there was no incentive in conquering the interrior. Even the ottomans many centuries later exercised nominal authority over Zeila but never cared about the rest of the country.
2) southern somalia on the other hand is more suitable for agriculture and has more resources that would have been interesting for arabs. i think the reason why they never conquered it is because arabs came in small groups mainly traders and refugees, they quickly became somalised. They didn't conquer but on the contrary they got conquered by us in some ways, you can see this with benadiris who are culturally and linguistically somalis.
Also remember that northafrica was under powerful christian byzantine empire which became an archenemy of the arabs, that's the main reason why arabs conquered modern day egypt and morocco,tunisia, algeria and Libya.
Even Sudan got conquered by arabs because in 7th century the Nubians had their own christian kingdom and were allies of the Byzantines. The nubians resisted against arab colonization for 7 centuries but they eventually fell in the 14-15th century and became arabised muslims
Even Sudan got conquered by arabs because in 7th century the Nubians had their own christian kingdom and were allies of the Byzantines. The nubians resisted against arab colonization for 7 centuries but they eventually fell in the 14-15th century and became arabised muslims
I wonder if the Adal empire ever thought about that hadith when they attacked Ethiopia in the 16th century.
Also technically Somalia was never part of Axum except for the northernmost tio which was under it's influence, the arabs could have conquered central and southern somalia without going against the hadith
Regg
Stroking my Australinimo
Ethiopia was created in the late 19th century so it never existed before it.
Abyssinia and Aksumite were very different. The Aksumites offered the Quraish refuge, the majority in the region accepted Islam and set up their own ethnic sultanates which led to the fall of Aksum so they pose zero threat to the Arabs and Muslims.
Abyssinia on the other hand was created in the 1200s (600+ years later) by the Solomonic dynasty in Gondar region who wanted to wage war against the Muslims, spread their religion by force and subjugate anyone not from their tribe.
They first fought against their Agew neighbors (very first ethnic to be assimilated into them) followed by Muslim ethnicities in the surrounding region before it spread to the rest of the HoA.
There were no Arab empires when this happened because they were seperated into small dynasties, the Abbasids were nothing but fractured state that had no power outside Baghdad and got ransacked by the Mongols. Then, the Ottomans came later to restore everything and used the HoA coast as their vassal state.
So, the Rashidun and Umayyads definitely would’ve intervened to aid the Muslims in Gondar if Abyssinia was in their time knowing they were hostile to them especially being just few hours away just like they did to the Byzantines, Persians and anyone around them that pose threat to Muslims.
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I thought only the king of Axum and a few others accepted islam but the rest of the kingdom stayed Christian.
Anyway if i get what you are saying basically the hadith forbidding attacking "ethiopians' was mainly talking about axumites and not the Kingdom of abyssinia which was a different state entity
Ahmedahmed5000
Vorbeck
I heard the abbasids wanted to tax somali but we said no. And probably because they were too busy with the crusades and expanding into iran ,Egypt and north africa. They totally arabized Egypt, but failed to do it with iran.
So they started first, interesting.
*They wanted to tax arab refugees in somalia especially Mogadishu. Back then somalis were still new to islam. Somalis gradually converted to islam over the course of 5-6 centuries from the 7th century untill the 12-13th centuries when we all became muslims
I probably missed that part. Didn't know they killed the sultan.
Unfortunately we only have a few arabic accounts , anyway if I'm not mistaken the whole abbasid thing isn't confirmed by scholars. There is no evidence of permanent arab settlers in somalia before the X century
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