Somalis and Oromos enjoying eid together last year

Apollo

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I was referring to this. I guess I misread it way back then as them having a common paternal ancestor within that timeframe, but there are mostly related within the last 1000 years.
https://www.nature.com/news/most-europeans-share-recent-ancestors-1.12950

I think that is autosomal. Patrilineally Europeans are relatively diverse. Some of them carry the Y of Neolithic Anatolian Farmers, others of Aryan Steppe invaders etc etc. With Somalis it is just two Cushitic lineages (or one Cushitic lineage and a Semitic one depending on who you ask, :lol:).
 

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Is there any evidence for that or a journal I could read..? :yacadiim:
Take a DNA test off some website like 23andme and compare it to other Somali's. You'd be shocked!
I can't get my head around why you'd want to be related to these desert rats:
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Those are my cousin's bro I know they are desert rats who ever Dir's abo was he made a upgrade smashing horn Africans kkkk
 
I think that is autosomal. Patrilineally Europeans are relatively diverse. Some of them carry the Y of Neolithic Anatolian Farmers, others of Aryan Steppe invaders etc etc. With Somalis it is just two Cushitic lineages (or one Cushitic lineage and a Semitic one depending on who you ask, :lol:).
Dir wuz Banu Hashim
 
E-Y18629 and T-Y45591 make up over 75-95% of all Somali men probably. Maybe some laangaab E-V16/E-M281 and J-M267 here and there but those last two are very rare.
Interesting. But haplogorup T isn't native to th horn at all and no serious geneologist ever proposed it came from the horn. It seems it came from the Mediterranean/Greece! we wuz Greeks n shiet

But anyway how do you know that E-Y18629 and T-Y45591 make up over 75-95% of all Somali men..."probably"? Did you just add that "probably" from suugo iyo basto or something substantial? Also a 20% difference is extremely significant in a population!
 

Apollo

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Interesting. But haplogorup T isn't native to th horn at all and no serious geneologist ever proposed it came from the horn. It seems it came from the Mediterranean/Greece! we wuz Greeks n shiet

But anyway how do you know that E-Y18629 and T-Y45591 make up over 75-95% of all Somali men..."probably"? Did you just add that "probably" from suugo iyo basto or something substantial? Also a 20% difference is extremely significant in a population!

T has been in Afro-Asiatic groups in North and Northeast Africa for at least 7,000-5,000 years.

It (T-Y45591) is not completely conclusive whether it is Semitic or just a minor early Cushite lineage.

The early Cushites likely had like 20 different lineages and due to bottlenecks different ones became popular in certain locations due to random chance.
 

Apollo

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Somalis have gotten J-haplogroups like @Shmurda in the past.

Dirs are especially admixed who get both T and J haplogroups.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/...s-took-the-full-y-dna-for-haplogroup-t.36583/

J1 in Somalis is extremely low. It exists, but is less than 5%.

I have over 300 connections on 23andMe and did data collection on there and I can conclude it is under 5% of the general Somali male population.

PS. Dirs are NOT autosomally more admixed than other Somalis. You are completely misunderstanding things. When their whole genome is used and they are plotted on global PCA (principal component) charts they sit right next to other Somalis and do not drift away as outliers.
 
J1 in Somalis is extremely low. It exists, but is less than 5%.

I have over 300 connections on 23andMe and did data collection on there and I can conclude it is under 5% of the general Somali population.
I'm curious as to how you came to that conclusion. Unless you have J haplo yourself how does having 300 connections on 23nme get you to that conclusion? If you're not J haplo then of course none of your connections would be J too..?

Also, I appreciate you did your little private investigation but the % of Somalis who take 23nme tests is extremely small....like very, very small. Even if 1000 Somalis took tests there's still over 15 million. Just to put into prospective, even if 1000 Somalis took tests it would only amount to 0.006% of the total population....yep!

DNA research is still so flawed and forces even you to make predictions and assumptions. I'm convicned T and J haplogorup is much higher among Somalis. There' already a few who got it on this forum!
 

Apollo

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I'm curious as to how you came to that conclusion. Unless you have J haplo yourself how does having 300 connections on 23nme get you to that conclusion? If you're not J haplo then of course none of your connections would be J too..?

Also, I appreciate you did your little private investigation but the % of Somalis who take 23nme tests is extremely small....like very, very small. Even if 1000 Somalis took tests there's still over 15 million. Just to put into prospective, even if 1000 Somalis took tests it would only amount to 0.006% of the total population....yep!

DNA research is still so flawed and forces even you to make predictions and assumptions. I'm convicned T and J haplogorup is much higher among Somalis. There' already a few who got it on this forum!

What's the obsession with haplogroup J?

There have been many studies that sampled over a hundred randomized Somalis and in every one of those studies it came out as less than 5% plus my own survey of random people from all over the world (Somalis) it was less than 5%. Stop the denial.
 
Interesting. But haplogorup T isn't native to th horn at all and no serious geneologist ever proposed it came from the horn. It seems it came from the Mediterranean/Greece! we wuz Greeks n shiet

But anyway how do you know that E-Y18629 and T-Y45591 make up over 75-95% of all Somali men..."probably"? Did you just add that "probably" from suugo iyo basto or something substantial? Also a 20% difference is extremely significant in a population!
majority of the community thinks it's rom the Mediterranean but yeah sure it might be from the horn. It's also present in Tanzania area which is interesting.

btw I still gotta ask you for proof of the frequency of E and Y haplo! there's no such thing mentioned on the internet lol hence why I called it suugo
 

Apollo

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majority of the community thinks it's rom the Mediterranean but yeah sure it might be from the horn. It's also present in Tanzania area which is interesting.

btw I still gotta ask you for proof of the frequency of E and Y haplo! there's no such thing mentioned on the internet lol hence why I called it suugo

Cushites migrated to Southeast Africa, read this study:

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites...LipsonSawchuk_Science_PastoralNeolithic_1.pdf

Tanzanians of 3,000 years ago were similar to today's Central Ethiopian Oromos.

Never assume that modern-day groups represent what lived there before.
 
What's the obsession with haplogroup J?

There have been many studies that sampled over a hundred randomized Somalis and in every one of those studies it came out as less than 5% plus my own survey of random people from all over the world (Somalis) it was less than 5%. Stop the denial.
It's not denial, half the time you say words like "probably" and make assumptions but when I show you evidence of Somalis on this very forum who got T and J haplo you dismiss it. It's as if you're trying to desperately remove the Semitic traces in our DNA. I already told you even a sample of 100 peopel is less than 1% of the population (not counting Somalis outside Somalia) so it doesn't matter, especially your "survey".

you also seem to state random numbers...like when you said that E and Y make up more than 95% of Somalis lol. I guess Somalisppot just has a lot of T and J haplo niggas eh? :siilaanyosmile:
 
@Abba Sadacha What is the demographics of Dire Dawa? Give me an honest breakdown, I want to compare your finding with that of my friend. My friend who belongs to the Cisse clan has informed me that Somalis are still the majority, Gurgure make up the largest population in the countryside outside the city center. The community that controls the countryside surrounding the city, controls the city itself. The countryside is even named after their clan as it known as "Gurgura".

The Gurgure retained their Somali identity despite a massive campaign by your people to assimilate them. This is why I loathe the practice of farming in the Somali region especially in areas across the Oromo frontier, he informed me that Gurgure nomads that live near their Ciise cousins still speak Af-Somali while their brethren that took up farming in the last century or so often inter-marry with Oromos and most now speak the Oromo language. Despite all this, you've been unable to get them to join your community, they still acknowledge their Somali identity.

The Oromo methodology for assimilating communities and peoples is intermarriage in which then the only qualification to join your ethic group is that you speak the Oromo language. The Somali identity is based on patrilineal descent, we know how to identify our people. :umad:

Which is why I say we ban intermarriage with your community, for ethnic survival.

My last question is, why is your community hell bent on forcefully seizing Dire Dawa to bring the city under your kilil? :ufdup:



Indeed, dire dhawa is an issue we disagree on. from what i read, oromos are about 40 percent of the city.
My personal solution is a compromise; the same proposal i have for other disputed lands, like moyale: make it a special oro-mali zone lol or so-moromo lol or something to that effect.
have 2-3 official working languages, afaan oromo, afaan somalee, and english maybe/afaan inglizzi.
share power in a way that reflects the demographics of the area.
 
T has been in Afro-Asiatic groups in North and Northeast Africa for at least 7,000-5,000 years.

It (T-Y45591) is not completely conclusive whether it is Semitic or just a minor early Cushite lineage.

The early Cushites likely had like 20 different lineages and due to bottlenecks different ones became popular in certain locations due to random chance.

Sudanese Beja from Red Sea state (region) and Saho from Eritrea’s Red Sea state are overwhelmingly HG-T. So it’s definitely one of the lineages brought by our Proto Cushitic ancestors.

Also Ajuuraan, from what I’ve heard, are predominantly HG-T but with minor E-M293 and E-V32.
 
Indeed, dire dhawa is an issue we disagree on. from what i read, oromos are about 40 percent of the city.
My personal solution is a compromise; the same proposal i have for other disputed lands, like moyale: make it a special oro-mali zone lol or so-moromo lol or something to that effect.
have 2-3 official working languages, afaan oromo, afaan somalee, and english maybe/afaan inglizzi.
share power in a way that reflects the demographics of the area.

If we exclude the Oromo speaking Gurgura Dir then ethnic Oromos only constitute 20% of the population. The only reason why Oromos are even a factor in Dirdhaba is because they exploit the rivalry between the Gurgura Dir and Isse Dir.
 
If we exclude the Oromo speaking Gurgura Dir then ethnic Oromos only constitute 20% of the population. The only reason why Oromos are even a factor in Dirdhaba is because they exploit the rivalry between the Gurgura Dir and Isse Dir.


 
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