Student Islamic societies and Gaza-DR Ayo Khalil

[Riftvalley]

Some interesting points. I agree some segments of Salafis(not only limited to them btw) have persistently pacified Muslim communities from any form of social activism or form or political engagement.

With rising Islamophobia and the political attacks on Muslim communities such as the ban on prayer in a prominent school in London, masjid a may be forced to start offering political solutions to these issues.

Since the Gaza conflict, I have attended a few masjid for a friday prayers and I have only heard Gaza or the protest issue addressed once. Most of the time Palistine issue is mentioned in the dua @ the end.

From what I have seen, Pakistanis and Bengali’s seem to be slightly better discussing some of the political ramifications from the protest movement, etc. I am not sure about Somalis. Somalis imams tend to follow the Saudi Salafi model of making dua for Palestine and there is nothing beyond that. The Somali community is the most political immature in discussing anything related to western Muslims.

@Angelina

 

[Kizaru]

the only option arabs have right now is to fight. But seeming as they shoot down houthi missiles heading to yahuuds you can only wonder what happened to these people

 

[The Oponian Guild]

the only option arabs have right now is to fight. But seeming as they shoot down houthi missiles heading to yahuuds you can only wonder what happened to these people

Missiles aren’t a form of warfare, just public displays

 

[Idilinaa]

Student London activism in large parts have done a lot for Gaza and the greater Palestine cause, not just demonstrations but they have effectively applied a political and economic pressure on major businesses to cut ties & funds and certain suppliers/manufacturers that supply weapons to Isreal has been cut off.

There is definitely some blowback, pushback thats going to happen but it's encouraging to see how they are remaining steadfast and resilient through them all.

In America they have done the same with colleges divesting but also applied political pressure in washington which is what prompted the ceasefire deal being pushed.

Colleges are moving to divest from Israel

Student protesters are calling on their schools to divest from Israel amid their ongoing conflict with Hams militants in Gaza.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Riftvalley]

Student London activism in large parts have done a lot for Gaza and the greater Palestine cause, not just demonstrations but they have effectively applied a political and economic pressure on major businesses to cut ties & funds and certain suppliers/manufacturers that supply weapons to Isreal has been cut off.

There is definitely some blowback, pushback thats going to happen but it's encouraging to see how they are remaining steadfast and resilient through them all.

In America they have done the same with colleges divesting but also applied political pressure in washington which is what prompted the ceasefire deal being pushed.

Colleges are moving to divest from Israel

Student protesters are calling on their schools to divest from Israel amid their ongoing conflict with Hams militants in Gaza.

www.newsweek.com

In the UK some of the Islamic societies have become apolitical due to a certain brands of salafism which are being pushed more heavily since the Arab spring.

These Kinds of beliefs are summed up by this sheikh who tells Indian Muslims it is haram to protest against the oppression of the Hindu government:
Another individual who has spent most of his time during this conflict demonising Muslim who are protesting in the West:


Sadly, Somalis graduating out of Medina are the biggest disseminators of such an ideology. Even if we accept their opinion is based on legitimate differences of opinion under Islamic jurisdiction, we have to question why they shy away from the media battle against Zionists? If protesting and boycott do not work as they say, why not offer other political alternatives and visions for Muslims living in the West? The most you will get from them is “akhi stay away from politics, follow the Quran and Sunnah and pray”. When the Zionists are so aggressive in their media campaigns against Muslims and Palestinians, such an apolitical stance is not really acceptable.

I wonder what these guys would have done during colonialism when the entire Muslim world was engulfed in protest and boycott movements fighting colonialism?

 

[Idilinaa]

In the UK some of the Islamic societies have become apolitical due to a certain brands of salafism which are being pushed more heavily since the Arab spring.

These Kinds of beliefs are summed up by this sheikh who tells Indian Muslims it is haram to protest against the oppression of the Hindu government:
Another individual who has spent most of his time during this conflict demonising Muslim who are protesting in the West:


Sadly, Somalis graduating out of Medina are the biggest disseminators of such an ideology. Even if we accept their opinion is based on legitimate differences of opinion under Islamic jurisdiction, we have to question why they shy away from the media battle against Zionists? If protesting and boycott do not work as they say, why not offer other political alternatives and visions for Muslims living in the West? The most you will get from them is “akhi stay away from politics, follow the Quran and Sunnah and pray”. When the Zionists are so aggressive in their media campaigns against Muslims and Palestinians, such an apolitical stance is not really acceptable.

I wonder what these guys would have done during colonialism when the entire Muslim world was engulfed in protest and boycott movements fighting colonialism?

You are right, some Somalis and Muslims in general who graduate from Medina and Egyptian universities are mostly purist and quietists. They offer their supports mostly through donations and collecting of funds and prayers, but no direct political involvement.

Most Muslims in the Western Europe are purist Salafis.

Western society, purist Salafis, unlike Jihadi Salafis, do not strive .... Neither do purist Salafis in Muslim countries put up resistance against the government, even if they find it insufficiently Islamic.

That's because the issue of Palestine is not seen as a religious issue, it's seen as a political one.

You touched upon a good point there. It's a very confusing stance to take when Islam is not apolitical to begin with, maybe the external jihad is less important to them rather than the internal one and they feel if they behave externally it will lead them astray.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Sadly, Somalis graduating out of Medina are the biggest disseminators of such an ideology. Even if we accept their opinion is based on legitimate differences of opinion under Islamic jurisdiction, we have to question why they shy away from the media battle against Zionists? If protesting and boycott do not work as they say, why not offer other political alternatives and visions for Muslims living in the West? The most you will get from them is “akhi stay away from politics, follow the Quran and Sunnah and pray”. When the Zionists are so aggressive in their media campaigns against Muslims and Palestinians, such an apolitical stance is not really acceptable.

"Even if we accept their opinion is based on legitimate differences of opinion under Islamic jurisdiction, we have to question why they shy away from the media battle against Zionists?"

I agree with what you're saying here one million percent.

I myself try to avoid McDonalds and Starbucks. I don't believe that it's wajib to not buy from them but we have a coffee shop near me which is not starbucks and more local... and then we do have a starbucks right by it and I do avoid the starbucks and go to the local alternative instead alhamdulilaah....

anyone saying things like "you cannot boycott without the ruler's permission"... anyone saying that is spreading utter nonsense... that is utter bogus....

as far as protesting.... I'm happy that college students are doing it but I myself don't protest and keep a distance from it... I am skeptical of protesting and voting... I've never voted ever and don't plan to...

but as far as media war- I believe it is not only permissible but wajib (if we take media to mean communication in general- including poetry, written pieces, etc.) (also I don't mean wajib where every individual must do it but where some Muslims must do it).

Anas (RAA) narrated that The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“Fight the disbelievers (polytheists) with your property, yourselves and your tongues.” Related by Ahmad, An-Nasa‘i and Al-Hakim graded it as Sahih.

وَعَنْ أَنَسٍ ‏- رضى الله عنه ‏- أَنَّ اَلنَّبِيَّ ‏- صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏-قَالَ: { " جَاهِدُوا اَلْمُشْرِكِينَ بِأَمْوَالِكُمْ, وَأَنْفُسِكُمْ, وَأَلْسِنَتِكُمْ" } رَوَاهُ أَحْمَدُ, وَالنَّسَائِيُّ, وَصَحَّحَهُ اَلْحَاكِمُ 1‏ .‏

If you read Sheikh Fawzan's commentary on this hadith (I have it and I'll post it later insha'Allah if anyone wants to see)- he talked about how there was a sahabi who used to compose poetry against the mushrikeen. and it actually had an effect on them as what I think we might call today "psychological warfare".

anyone saying we shouldn't fight the media battle against our enemies.... there is something seriously wrong there and what they are saying is contrary to the hadith... not only is it perfectly fine to fight the media battle but it is praiseworthy and should be encouraged

 

[Galool]

In the UK some of the Islamic societies have become apolitical due to a certain brands of salafism which are being pushed more heavily since the Arab spring.

These Kinds of beliefs are summed up by this sheikh who tells Indian Muslims it is haram to protest against the oppression of the Hindu government:
Another individual who has spent most of his time during this conflict demonising Muslim who are protesting in the West:


Sadly, Somalis graduating out of Medina are the biggest disseminators of such an ideology. Even if we accept their opinion is based on legitimate differences of opinion under Islamic jurisdiction, we have to question why they shy away from the media battle against Zionists? If protesting and boycott do not work as they say, why not offer other political alternatives and visions for Muslims living in the West? The most you will get from them is “akhi stay away from politics, follow the Quran and Sunnah and pray”. When the Zionists are so aggressive in their media campaigns against Muslims and Palestinians, such an apolitical stance is not really acceptable.

I wonder what these guys would have done during colonialism when the entire Muslim world was engulfed in protest and boycott movements fighting colonialism?

You are right, some Somalis and Muslims in general who graduate from Medina and Egyptian universities are mostly purist and quietists. They offer their supports mostly through donations and collecting of funds and prayers, but no direct political involvement.

Most Muslims in the Western Europe are purist Salafis.


That's because the issue of Palestine is not seen as a religious issue, it's seen as a political one.

You touched upon a good point there. It's a very confusing stance to take when Islam is not apolitical to begin with, maybe the external jihad is less important to them rather than the internal one and they feel if they behave externally it will lead them astray.

These are not Salafis but more popularly known as Madkhalis. They are a government sponsored group and have mostly taken over the university of Madina the past few years especially with MBS liberalization project.

Their dawah has been exposed heavily the past couple of years and they no longer have the legitimacy they used to among the uninformed masses. Especially since the latest genocide.

 

[World]

These are not Salafis but more popularly known as Madkhalis. They are a government sponsored group and have mostly taken over the university of Madina the past few years especially with MBS liberalization project.

Their dawah has been exposed heavily the past couple of years and they no longer have the legitimacy they used to among the uninformed masses. Especially since the latest genocide.

Daniel Haqiqatjou is an andrew tate wannabe, just a right wing troll who teaches red pill nonsense with an islamic twist.