Sultan Olol Dinle and his Somali delegation visiting a Nazi/Fascist rally in Italy in 1938

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The last great Sultan of the Ajuuran Clan

Picture was taken by Hugo Jaegar, personal Photographer of Adolf Hitler.
 
yh same. so they have this empire and just disappear afterwards?

Olol Dinle was active in the 20th Century as Sultan of the Shabelli under the Italians. He actually fought MAH and the Dervishes. The Ajuraan empire died about 1700.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olol_Dinle

"Sultan Olol Dinle (Somali: Suldaan Olol Diinle) (?-1960s)[1] was a Somali sultan who ruled Kelafo as the head of the Ajuran clan. He successively offered allegiance to the Kingdom of Italy in the 1920s and was named "Sultan of Sciavelli (Shabelle)" in the early 1930s.

Background
The Ajuran clan, under the Gareen Dynasty, had once ruled a powerful Imamate in the Somali region of Ethiopia centered at Kelafo. Following the peace agreements between Ethiopia and Italy in 1896, Ethiopia was granted parts of the Somali region.

The Gareen empire had collapsed during the 16th century, and a slow decline had set in over the centuries, leading to the eventual demise of the Ajuran state during the 18th century and the end of strong central leadership amongst the Ajuran. Ajuran tribes lived and still live throughout Somali inhabited lands in Ethiopia, Somalia and Kenya.

According to some Ajuran traditions, Olol Dinle was related directly to the Gareen Dynasty, Olol Dinle carved a new Ajuran Sultanate out of the upper reaches of the Wadi Shabelle, centered at Kelafo, the traditional capital at the turn of the 20th century.

Olol Dinle and his sultanate became embroiled in the politics of the day, aligning himself with the Italian colonial authorities. In 1915, Sultan Olol Dinle of Kelafo, Sultan Ali Yusuf Kenadid of Hobyo, and the Italian Somaliland government attempted to dislodge the Darwiish forces of Sayyid Mohammed Abdullah Hassan, who had conquered territory near Beledweyne in their rapid advance southwards."

https://books.google.com/books?id=7...2TAegQ6AEIXzAN#v=onepage&q=Olol Dinle&f=false

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Olol Dinle was active in the 20th Century as Sultan of the Shabelli under the Italians. He actually fought MAH and the Dervishes. The Ajuraan empire died about 1700.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olol_Dinle

"Sultan Olol Dinle (Somali: Suldaan Olol Diinle) (?-1960s)[1] was a Somali sultan who ruled Kelafo as the head of the Ajuran clan. He successively offered allegiance to the Kingdom of Italy in the 1920s and was named "Sultan of Sciavelli (Shabelle)" in the early 1930s.

Background
The Ajuran clan, under the Gareen Dynasty, had once ruled a powerful Imamate in the Somali region of Ethiopia centered at Kelafo. Following the peace agreements between Ethiopia and Italy in 1896, Ethiopia was granted parts of the Somali region.

The Gareen empire had collapsed during the 16th century, and a slow decline had set in over the centuries, leading to the eventual demise of the Ajuran state during the 18th century and the end of strong central leadership amongst the Ajuran. Ajuran tribes lived and still live throughout Somali inhabited lands in Ethiopia, Somalia and Kenya.

According to some Ajuran traditions, Olol Dinle was related directly to the Gareen Dynasty, Olol Dinle carved a new Ajuran Sultanate out of the upper reaches of the Wadi Shabelle, centered at Kelafo, the traditional capital at the turn of the 20th century.

Olol Dinle and his sultanate became embroiled in the politics of the day, aligning himself with the Italian colonial authorities. In 1915, Sultan Olol Dinle of Kelafo, Sultan Ali Yusuf Kenadid of Hobyo, and the Italian Somaliland government attempted to dislodge the Darwiish forces of Sayyid Mohammed Abdullah Hassan, who had conquered territory near Beledweyne in their rapid advance southwards."

https://books.google.com/books?id=7L0Ixtl8poMC&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=Olol+Dinle&source=bl&ots=yMP6aReSgX&sig=srxsHwIO4cbAp1UdzAlu4XfuRrk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwih39yAm5XaAhVPy2MKHX2TAegQ6AEIXzAN#v=onepage&q=Olol Dinle&f=false

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ah so they do exist today then. since you seem knowledgeable on somali history, was the hawiye clan apart of this ajuuraan empire or not?
 
ah so they do exist today then. since you seem knowledgeable on somali history, was the hawiye clan apart of this ajuuraan empire or not?

The "empire" was really a confederation under an Imam. It was centralized for the period of the Gaal Madow and Portuguese wars but soon fell apart into it's component parts. The Hiraab took Mogadishu from the Yemeni Muzzaffar governor, allied to the Ajuraan, in about 1624. By 1700 Ajuraan power had passed to several divided Hawiyye clans.


https://operationoverload.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/the-ajuuraan-dynasty-of-the-hawiyya/

Ajuran traditions amongst the Hawiyya

"The Darandoolle, it should be noted, were part of the Gurqaate, a clan section collateral to the Jambelle Hawiyya from whom Ajuran (and Gareen) is said to have been descended. Intermarriage among the descedants of these uterine brothers on the one hand helped reinforce the solidarity of the Hawiyya. On the other hand, competition between collateral lines was very common in Somalia, particularly where the titular leadership of a larger clan-confederation was at stake. Such a struggle for the dominant place within the Hawiyya-dominated Ajuran confederation may also be reflected in the rise of the Silcis and El Amir in the later years of Ajuran rule. Both are said to have been descedants of Gurqaate Hawiyya, as were the Abgaal Darandoolle. Thus it can be argued that the dominant groups which appeared toward the end of the Ajuran era—the Darandoolle near Muqdisho, the Silcis near Afgooye, and the El Amir in Marka—represent the partition of the Ajuran imamate among collateral Hawiyya sections. Or perhaps one branch of the Hawiyya—namely the Gurqaate—forcibly replaced another (the Jambelle) as leaders of the confederation.
This second hypothesis better explains the apparent “disappearance” of the Ajuran by suggesting that the line of Gareen Jambelle was eclipsed politically by the more numerous and widespread Gurqaate. In the Somali setting, power ultimately comes from the fighting strength of a clan and its allies; and domination most often depends on the relative numerical superiority of the dominant. Thus the decline of Ajuran power in political terms conceivably resulted from shifts in the demographic structure Page: 109 of the original alliance network. Indeed, clans of Gurqaate and Guggundabe affiliation were the dominant representatives of the Hawiyya clan family in the Shabeelle valley area at the beginning of the twentieth century. The bulk of Jambelle Hawiyya (including the Ajuran) are today located west of the Jubba River."

Depending on how ambitious you are, here is a longer history:

https://antitribalism.wordpress.com...and-their-defeat-by-baadicadde-and-gaaljecel/
 
The "empire" was really a confederation under an Imam. It was centralized for the period of the Gaal Madow and Portuguese wars but soon fell apart into it's component parts. The Hiraab took Mogadishu from the Yemeni Muzzaffar governor, allied to the Ajuraan, in about 1624. By 1700 Ajuraan power had passed to several divided Hawiyye clans.


https://operationoverload.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/the-ajuuraan-dynasty-of-the-hawiyya/

Ajuran traditions amongst the Hawiyya

"The Darandoolle, it should be noted, were part of the Gurqaate, a clan section collateral to the Jambelle Hawiyya from whom Ajuran (and Gareen) is said to have been descended. Intermarriage among the descedants of these uterine brothers on the one hand helped reinforce the solidarity of the Hawiyya. On the other hand, competition between collateral lines was very common in Somalia, particularly where the titular leadership of a larger clan-confederation was at stake. Such a struggle for the dominant place within the Hawiyya-dominated Ajuran confederation may also be reflected in the rise of the Silcis and El Amir in the later years of Ajuran rule. Both are said to have been descedants of Gurqaate Hawiyya, as were the Abgaal Darandoolle. Thus it can be argued that the dominant groups which appeared toward the end of the Ajuran era—the Darandoolle near Muqdisho, the Silcis near Afgooye, and the El Amir in Marka—represent the partition of the Ajuran imamate among collateral Hawiyya sections. Or perhaps one branch of the Hawiyya—namely the Gurqaate—forcibly replaced another (the Jambelle) as leaders of the confederation.
This second hypothesis better explains the apparent “disappearance” of the Ajuran by suggesting that the line of Gareen Jambelle was eclipsed politically by the more numerous and widespread Gurqaate. In the Somali setting, power ultimately comes from the fighting strength of a clan and its allies; and domination most often depends on the relative numerical superiority of the dominant. Thus the decline of Ajuran power in political terms conceivably resulted from shifts in the demographic structure Page: 109 of the original alliance network. Indeed, clans of Gurqaate and Guggundabe affiliation were the dominant representatives of the Hawiyya clan family in the Shabeelle valley area at the beginning of the twentieth century. The bulk of Jambelle Hawiyya (including the Ajuran) are today located west of the Jubba River."

Depending on how ambitious you are, here is a longer history:

https://antitribalism.wordpress.com...and-their-defeat-by-baadicadde-and-gaaljecel/
I see. thanks. i'll look into it further when i have time :salute:
 
This picture confuses me so much, Nazis??? :faysalwtf:Were the Somalis just invited along? Or was it Somali superiority that drove them there to attend the rally :ftw9nwa:
 

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This picture confuses me so much, Nazis??? :faysalwtf:Were the Somalis just invited along? Or was it Somali superiority that drove them there to attend the rally :ftw9nwa:
It was during the time that the Italians conquered Ethiopia and ruled the entire Horn of Africa(xcluding Somaliland).
 
The "empire" was really a confederation under an Imam. It was centralized for the period of the Gaal Madow and Portuguese wars but soon fell apart into it's component parts. The Hiraab took Mogadishu from the Yemeni Muzzaffar governor, allied to the Ajuraan, in about 1624. By 1700 Ajuraan power had passed to several divided Hawiyye clans.


https://operationoverload.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/the-ajuuraan-dynasty-of-the-hawiyya/

Ajuran traditions amongst the Hawiyya

"The Darandoolle, it should be noted, were part of the Gurqaate, a clan section collateral to the Jambelle Hawiyya from whom Ajuran (and Gareen) is said to have been descended. Intermarriage among the descedants of these uterine brothers on the one hand helped reinforce the solidarity of the Hawiyya. On the other hand, competition between collateral lines was very common in Somalia, particularly where the titular leadership of a larger clan-confederation was at stake. Such a struggle for the dominant place within the Hawiyya-dominated Ajuran confederation may also be reflected in the rise of the Silcis and El Amir in the later years of Ajuran rule. Both are said to have been descedants of Gurqaate Hawiyya, as were the Abgaal Darandoolle. Thus it can be argued that the dominant groups which appeared toward the end of the Ajuran era—the Darandoolle near Muqdisho, the Silcis near Afgooye, and the El Amir in Marka—represent the partition of the Ajuran imamate among collateral Hawiyya sections. Or perhaps one branch of the Hawiyya—namely the Gurqaate—forcibly replaced another (the Jambelle) as leaders of the confederation.
This second hypothesis better explains the apparent “disappearance” of the Ajuran by suggesting that the line of Gareen Jambelle was eclipsed politically by the more numerous and widespread Gurqaate. In the Somali setting, power ultimately comes from the fighting strength of a clan and its allies; and domination most often depends on the relative numerical superiority of the dominant. Thus the decline of Ajuran power in political terms conceivably resulted from shifts in the demographic structure Page: 109 of the original alliance network. Indeed, clans of Gurqaate and Guggundabe affiliation were the dominant representatives of the Hawiyya clan family in the Shabeelle valley area at the beginning of the twentieth century. The bulk of Jambelle Hawiyya (including the Ajuran) are today located west of the Jubba River."

Depending on how ambitious you are, here is a longer history:

https://antitribalism.wordpress.com...and-their-defeat-by-baadicadde-and-gaaljecel/

Sorry to burst your bubble but you're using a blog which can be written by bias lying people. Mogadishu was the Ajuran capital since the early 13th century and Mogadishu Sultanate was succeeded by the Ajuran Empire in the 13th century. Also, do you know what Mogadishu means?

"The origins of the name Mogadishu (Muqdisho) has many theories but it is most likely derived from a morphology of the Somali words "Muuq" and "Disho" which literally means "Sight Killer" or "Blinder" possibly referring to the city's blinding beauty."

Also, no foreigners ever ruled Mogadishu. The Benadiri people origins are recorded during the Islamic period of Ajuran period and they are decedents of refugees or traders that settled in Ajuran Empire for a better life. Read below for facts.

"The late 15th and 17th centuries saw the arrival of Muslim families from Arabia, Persia, India and Spain to the Ajuran Sultanate, the majority of whom settled in the coastal provinces. Some migrated because of the instability in their respective regions, as was the case with the Hadhrami families from the Yemen and the Muslims from Spain fleeing the Inquisition. Others came to conduct business or for religious purposes. Due to their strong tradition in religious learning, the new Muslim communities also enjoyed high status among the Somali ruling elite and commoners. It's believed the Benadiri people are the decedents of these people a tiny minority who inhabit the Benadir region."

Source: Luling, Virginia (2002). Somali Sultanate: the Geledi city-state over 150 years. Transaction Publishers. page. 17. ISBN 978-1-874209-98-0.

You need to stop being brainwashed by the Benadiri propaganda and please stop your historical revisionist and there is no such thing as "Samaale". It's Somali. Samaale and Sab came from a single ancestor called Hool the father of all Somalis and no Somalis aren't new people but ancient people who were direct decedents of Barbara people > Macrobians > Ancient Puntites and it's been historically and genetically proven so you have to accept that.

Lastly, read a famous quote written by a 16th century scholar called Leo Africanus.

"According to the 16th-century explorer, Leo Africanus indicates that the native inhabitants of the Mogadishu the capital of Ajuran Sultanate polity were of the same origins as the denizens of the northern people of Zeila the capital of Adal Sultanate. They were generally tall with an olive skin complexion, with some being darker and spoke Somali. They would wear traditional rich white silk wrapped around their bodies and have Islamic turbans and coastal people would only wear sarongs, and use Arabic writing script as their lingua franca. Their weaponry consisted of traditional Somali weapons such as swords, daggers, spears, battle axe, and bows, although they received assistance from its close ally the Ottoman Empire and with the import of firearms such as muskets and cannons. Most were Muslims, although a few adhered to heathen bedouin tradition; there were also a number of Abyssinian Christians further inland. Mogadishu itself was a wealthy, powerful and well-built city-state, which maintained commercial trade with kingdoms across the world. The metropolis city was surrounded by walled stone fortifications."

Source: (Africanus), Leo (6 April 1969). "A Geographical Historie of Africa". Theatrum Orbis Terrarum. Retrieved 6 April 2018 – via Google Books.

For more information here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajuran_Sultanate

 
Sorry to burst your bubble but you're using a blog which can be written by bias lying people. Mogadishu was the Ajuran capital since the early 13th century and Mogadishu Sultanate was succeeded by the Ajuran Empire in the 13th century. Also, do you know what Mogadishu means?

"The origins of the name Mogadishu (Muqdisho) has many theories but it is most likely derived from a morphology of the Somali words "Muuq" and "Disho" which literally means "Sight Killer" or "Blinder" possibly referring to the city's blinding beauty."

Also, no foreigners ever ruled Mogadishu. The Benadiri people origins are recorded during the Islamic period of Ajuran period and they are decedents of refugees or traders that settled in Ajuran Empire for a better life. Read below for facts.

"The late 15th and 17th centuries saw the arrival of Muslim families from Arabia, Persia, India and Spain to the Ajuran Sultanate, the majority of whom settled in the coastal provinces. Some migrated because of the instability in their respective regions, as was the case with the Hadhrami families from the Yemen and the Muslims from Spain fleeing the Inquisition. Others came to conduct business or for religious purposes. Due to their strong tradition in religious learning, the new Muslim communities also enjoyed high status among the Somali ruling elite and commoners. It's believed the Benadiri people are the decedents of these people a tiny minority who inhabit the Benadir region."

Source: Luling, Virginia (2002). Somali Sultanate: the Geledi city-state over 150 years. Transaction Publishers. page. 17. ISBN 978-1-874209-98-0.

You need to stop being brainwashed by the Benadiri propaganda and please stop your historical revisionist and there is no such thing as "Samaale". It's Somali. Samaale and Sab came from a single ancestor called Hool the father of all Somalis and no Somalis aren't new people but ancient people who were direct decedents of Barbara people > Macrobians > Ancient Puntites and it's been historically and genetically proven so you have to accept that.

Lastly, read a famous quote written by a 16th century scholar called Leo Africanus.

"According to the 16th-century explorer, Leo Africanus indicates that the native inhabitants of the Mogadishu the capital of Ajuran Sultanate polity were of the same origins as the denizens of the northern people of Zeila the capital of Adal Sultanate. They were generally tall with an olive skin complexion, with some being darker and spoke Somali. They would wear traditional rich white silk wrapped around their bodies and have Islamic turbans and coastal people would only wear sarongs, and use Arabic writing script as their lingua franca. Their weaponry consisted of traditional Somali weapons such as swords, daggers, spears, battle axe, and bows, although they received assistance from its close ally the Ottoman Empire and with the import of firearms such as muskets and cannons. Most were Muslims, although a few adhered to heathen bedouin tradition; there were also a number of Abyssinian Christians further inland. Mogadishu itself was a wealthy, powerful and well-built city-state, which maintained commercial trade with kingdoms across the world. The metropolis city was surrounded by walled stone fortifications."

Source: (Africanus), Leo (6 April 1969). "A Geographical Historie of Africa". Theatrum Orbis Terrarum. Retrieved 6 April 2018 – via Google Books.

For more information here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajuran_Sultanate

Your source, Luling:

Mid 19th century:

"This eagerly awaited, major new study, looks at an African town through 150 years from the mid-19th century when it was an independent small city-state. Afgooye in southern Somalia is a complex community made up of different groups who established a common polity. Their institutions have endured through colonialism and independence, and remain relevant in the modern world. The book is arranged theoretically, describing different aspects of the life and traditional politics of the community. These topics are brought together in the concluding analysis of Afgooye's most famous institution, the annual Stick Fight and the larger festival of which it is part.The author writes with elegance and subtlety, providing detailed descriptions of the history and social context of the Geledi."

The first mention of "Somali" is in 1415. Saint Abadir of Harar and Sultan Fakr ad-Din of Mogadishu were relatives, both Arabs from the Hijaz.

"Ar-Rida is the main figure in the Fath Madinat Harar, an unpublished history of Harar in the 13th century. According to the account, he along with several other religious leaders traveled from the Hijaz region of present-day Saudi Arabia to Harar in 612H (1216 AD).[2] Ar-Rida subsequently married a Harari woman, and constructed the city's Jamia mosque.[1]

In the following years, Sheikh ar-Rida fought several battles against King Karbinal bin Mahrawal, the King's son Jurniyal, his daughter Markanis, and brother Sayadar. Ar-Rida is also mentioned in the lists of Emirs of Harar (the first 391-405H (1000–1014 AD), second 405-411H (1014-1021 AD), and third 458-459H (1065-1067 AD)).[citation needed]

Descendants
The Somali Sheekhaal clan traces descent to Sheikh Abadir ar-Rida, also known as Fiqi Umar.[3] Ar-Rida in turn traced his lineage to the first caliph, Abu Bakr (Sayid Abubakar Al-Sadiq).[3] According to the explorer Richard F. Burton, Fiqi Umar crossed over from the Arabian Peninsula to the Horn of Africa ten generations prior to 1854, along with his six sons: Umar the Greater, Umar the Lesser, the two Abdillahs, Ahmad, and Siddik.[3]"

The Fakhruddins were Arabs. The Muzzaffars were Yemeni. The Ajuraan don't emerge until about 1560. The Hiraab and Yacuub Abgaal only take Mogadishu from the Yemenis about 1624.

https://books.google.com/books?id=DPwOsOcNy5YC&pg=PR27&lpg=PR27&dq=The+Fakhruddin+of+Mogadishu&source=bl&ots=mP4_LEuq8p&sig=G8i-hTw8nq3yRlpveW79MH0O8Io&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW-OSgkLzaAhXLylQKHZMTAcIQ6AEIUzAJ#v=onepage&q=The Fakhruddin of Mogadishu&f=false


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Your source, Luling:

Mid 19th century:

"This eagerly awaited, major new study, looks at an African town through 150 years from the mid-19th century when it was an independent small city-state. Afgooye in southern Somalia is a complex community made up of different groups who established a common polity. Their institutions have endured through colonialism and independence, and remain relevant in the modern world. The book is arranged theoretically, describing different aspects of the life and traditional politics of the community. These topics are brought together in the concluding analysis of Afgooye's most famous institution, the annual Stick Fight and the larger festival of which it is part.The author writes with elegance and subtlety, providing detailed descriptions of the history and social context of the Geledi."

The first mention of "Somali" is in 1415. Saint Abadir of Harar and Sultan Fakr ad-Din of Mogadishu were relatives, both Arabs from the Hijaz.

"Ar-Rida is the main figure in the Fath Madinat Harar, an unpublished history of Harar in the 13th century. According to the account, he along with several other religious leaders traveled from the Hijaz region of present-day Saudi Arabia to Harar in 612H (1216 AD).[2] Ar-Rida subsequently married a Harari woman, and constructed the city's Jamia mosque.[1]

In the following years, Sheikh ar-Rida fought several battles against King Karbinal bin Mahrawal, the King's son Jurniyal, his daughter Markanis, and brother Sayadar. Ar-Rida is also mentioned in the lists of Emirs of Harar (the first 391-405H (1000–1014 AD), second 405-411H (1014-1021 AD), and third 458-459H (1065-1067 AD)).[citation needed]

Descendants
The Somali Sheekhaal clan traces descent to Sheikh Abadir ar-Rida, also known as Fiqi Umar.[3] Ar-Rida in turn traced his lineage to the first caliph, Abu Bakr (Sayid Abubakar Al-Sadiq).[3] According to the explorer Richard F. Burton, Fiqi Umar crossed over from the Arabian Peninsula to the Horn of Africa ten generations prior to 1854, along with his six sons: Umar the Greater, Umar the Lesser, the two Abdillahs, Ahmad, and Siddik.[3]"

The Fakhruddins were Arabs. The Muzzaffars were Yemeni. The Ajuraan don't emerge until about 1560. The Hiraab and Yacuub Abgaal only take Mogadishu from the Yemenis about 1624.

https://books.google.com/books?id=DPwOsOcNy5YC&pg=PR27&lpg=PR27&dq=The+Fakhruddin+of+Mogadishu&source=bl&ots=mP4_LEuq8p&sig=G8i-hTw8nq3yRlpveW79MH0O8Io&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW-OSgkLzaAhXLylQKHZMTAcIQ6AEIUzAJ#v=onepage&q=The Fakhruddin of Mogadishu&f=false


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Listen now you're using Mohamed Haji Mkhtar who recently admitted of being paid by the Benadiri businessmen alot of money to vandalize Somali history and not other proper Somali historians along with foreigners? You also need to stop believing in Somali Arab daddy myth.

The first mention of Somali actually dates back in the 9th century by Al-Yaqubi as he reffered the inhabitants of Mogadishu Sultanate and the early Adal kingdom as "Somaal".


"The first clear written reference of the sobriquet Somali, however, dates back to the 9th century by Al-Yaqubi who wrote that Muslims were living along the northern and southern Somali seaboard and he referred the inhabitants as "Somaal".[38] He also mentioned that the Adal kingdom had its capital called Zeila and Mogadishu Sultanate with its capital being Mogadishu.[38][39]

The "Somali" word got really popular during the Abyssinian–Adal war in the 1500's when the powerful Somali commander called Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi and his brave Somali Adalite forces conquered and colonized the Abyssinian of the Ethiopian Empire for 14 years.[40][41]"


Scholars do admit that they don't know where the Somali word came from but they all agree its very ancient since the first mention was in the 9th century.

Fakr ad-Din and Saint Abadir of Harar are related? :mjlol:

You really are stupid. Sultan Fakr Ad-Din was from the 9th century while Saint Abadir of Harar was from the 13th century. Mogadishu Sultanate was a Somali Sultanate that was established in the 9th century and ended in the 13th century and was succceeded by the Ajuran Empire and its capital was Mogadishu and you did you know that Mogadishu was the successor of Sarapion which was part of the ancient Somali-city States? I will prove to you that Somalis actually migrated from the north in the 1st century and established farmlands in Jubba and Shebelle valleys and harbor cities on the southern coast of Somalia.

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Ajuran Empire in the early 13th century was already huge controlling Hobyo from the north, Qelafo to the west and Kismayo to the south while Mogadishu being its center and capital

I also heard you claim southern Somalia was ruled by Zanzibar Sultanate. :kodaksmiley:

But in all reality was Geledi Sultanate and Hiraab Imamate which were successor states of the powerful Ajuran Empire was present and controlled the coast to the interior of southern Somalia. Do not forget that Geledi Sultanate militarily defeated and forced the Omanis to pay tribute in the coastal town of Lamu. Omanis were nothing more but nominal but in reality they only controlled the Swahili coast and Zanzibar islands. I'm just here to correct your lies, remember that.
 
Listen now you're using Mohamed Haji Mkhtar who recently admitted of being paid by the Benadiri businessmen alot of money to vandalize Somali history and not other proper Somali historians along with foreigners? You also need to stop believing in Somali Arab daddy myth.

The first mention of Somali actually dates back in the 9th century by Al-Yaqubi as he reffered the inhabitants of Mogadishu Sultanate and the early Adal kingdom as "Somaal".


"The first clear written reference of the sobriquet Somali, however, dates back to the 9th century by Al-Yaqubi who wrote that Muslims were living along the northern and southern Somali seaboard and he referred the inhabitants as "Somaal".[38] He also mentioned that the Adal kingdom had its capital called Zeila and Mogadishu Sultanate with its capital being Mogadishu.[38][39]

The "Somali" word got really popular during the Abyssinian–Adal war in the 1500's when the powerful Somali commander called Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi and his brave Somali Adalite forces conquered and colonized the Abyssinian of the Ethiopian Empire for 14 years.[40][41]"


Scholars do admit that they don't know where the Somali word came from but they all agree its very ancient since the first mention was in the 9th century.

Fakr ad-Din and Saint Abadir of Harar are related? :mjlol:

You really are stupid. Sultan Fakr Ad-Din was from the 9th century while Saint Abadir of Harar was from the 13th century. Mogadishu Sultanate was a Somali Sultanate that was established in the 9th century and ended in the 13th century and was succceeded by the Ajuran Empire and its capital was Mogadishu and you did you know that Mogadishu was the successor of Sarapion which was part of the ancient Somali-city States? I will prove to you that Somalis actually migrated from the north in the 1st century and established farmlands in Jubba and Shebelle valleys and harbor cities on the southern coast of Somalia.

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Ajuran Empire in the early 13th century was already huge controlling Hobyo from the north, Qelafo to the west and Kismayo to the south while Mogadishu being its center and capital

I also heard you claim southern Somalia was ruled by Zanzibar Sultanate. :kodaksmiley:

But in all reality was Geledi Sultanate and Hiraab Imamate which were successor states of the powerful Ajuran Empire was present and controlled the coast to the interior of southern Somalia. Do not forget that Geledi Sultanate militarily defeated and forced the Omanis to pay tribute in the coastal town of Lamu. Omanis were nothing more but nominal but in reality they only controlled the Swahili coast and Zanzibar islands. I'm just here to correct your lies, remember that.


Are you the one rewriting Somali history on Wiki? :Sutehja:
 

Most sources I have shown him weren't even written on Wikipedia but in all seriousness have you not noticed his anti-Somali? He divides Somalis by calling us "Samaale" then he denies some sources other Somali historians have shown him. Anyways, I'm here and I will debunk every lies he posts or else it's best for him to leave this Forum along with his lying agenda. I don't even understand why this racist guy is even on this Forum?
 

RasCanjero-

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Most sources I have shown him weren't even written on Wikipedia but in all seriousness have you not noticed his anti-Somali? He divides Somalis by calling us "Samaale" then he denies some sources other Somali historians have shown him. Anyways, I'm here and I will debunk every lies he posts or else it's best for him to leave this Forum along with his lying agenda. I don't even understand why this racist guy is even on this Forum?

Ppl like him and that Cuban dude bring in alternative views.

Regardless of whether they're pushing bs; unless you want to stay in your own bubble I'd rather have them add to the discussions.
 
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