Tapestry of Feathers

[The alchemist]

For people who know a thing or two about Somali historical culture, feathers on the heads of males are granted to the ones who best others in a fight to the death. This feather-wearing is a practice that goes back to the Nubian days:

From Lower Nubia between 3500-3000 years ago:

Othere Lower Nubian (also the Upper Nubians wore feathers):

This is from older rock art in the central Eastern Desert, Egypt.

"Feathers are the most common feature added to the basic body shape. Both Rohl (2000) and Wilkinson (2003) maintained that plumes not only represented status, but that divinity and twin plumes were a precursor of the double-plumes worn by gods and goddesses in the pharaonic era. They are examined here to determine if they are may indicate status or are associated with hunting, since the latter is such a feature of the Central Eastern Desert petroglyphs."

Distribution:

If the Somali practice of putting feathers only after killing someone, it does answer why these guys reason to wear them. Here they seem clueless:

"Plumed figures are mostly found in the southern wadis and at sites dated to the Predynastic (see Chapter Seven). They are especially prevalent in the heavily early Wadis Baramiya, Hajalij (S), and Umm Salam. But they also feature at predynastic sites in Abu Wasil, and this north-central wadi sees a concentration of feathered figures. There are comparatively few examples in Wadi Hammamat where there are a number of pharaonic figures, only one of which has double plumes. In Wadi Atwani again plumed figures are present entirely at early sites in association with predynastic boats. In the core central Wadis Iqaydi and Shalul plumed figures are rare."

Here is evidence that the North Cushites, Blemmyes (ancestors of the Beja) wore feathers and even depicted such:

"However, plumes do not always indicate an early date. At IQA-10 comparison to Greek lettering shows that one plumed figure in a boat is probably Greco Roman. The plumes also have bulbous ends, a feature never seen on predynastic figures (Figure 5.9)."

In reality, this is a practice that likely goes way deeper in time and relates to the AEA side of Cushitic ancestry. Why do I say this? Because Nilo-Saharan peoples also wear feathers on their heads.

Trusting ChatGPT on this, I asked why the Hamer men wear plumes on their heads. The machine answered; it is a symbol of bravery and status, and masculinity, after going through a rite of passage. Their specific challenge has to do with bull-jumping. If the individual succeeds, the male becomes an adult and eligible for marriage. I think this is, in structural framework, similar to the Somali, where we signify the ultimate rights of passage as being a warrior, with the morbid reality being, to test one's prowess is to battle someone. If one succeeds, that becomes the sign of bravery, status, masculinity, etc. In that regard, I think that it is overall the same since those ancients in the Egyptian Central Eastern Desert. Only for them, it was about hunting as a rights of passage:

To give us more insight, the mixed Rendille (with Samburu) wear a spesific headgear that they place several feathers on.

For the Rendilles, it showcases ones expressed and proven hunting prowess.

For the Turkana, it is for the same reason as the Somalis.

"A warrior also has the right to wear white ostrich feathers. The warlike philosophy of the Turkana fascinated E. R. Shackleton, who was a District Commissoner in Lodwar during the 1930s. Shackleton recorded a long story told by a veteran chief named Lonyamon: 'I was a warrior. I knew everything. And ever since I have killed a man I have worn nothing but the best ostrich feathers -- white.'"

The Turkana are nilotics who are mixed with Cushites.

This is the hunter palette of Naqada III, dated to 3100 BC:

To summarize, this feather-wearing practice has to do with masculinity affirmation and social status that has existed for at least 5000 years (plus) and goes back to the Nubian region (for us, much more recently). I don't want to go too deep with the Eastern Desert rock art stuff because it goes into a whole lot of things that have massive historical significance, and it is an expansive topic that needs its respective focus.

 

[TheLand]

Many cultures do this though. What is the connection? I’m not saying you are wrong but I just don’t know how it would get to us from Nubia. Just because our ancestors may have been there at some point in the past doesn’t really show that specific connection of this tradition m.

 

[The alchemist]

Many cultures do this though. What is the connection? I’m not saying you are wrong but I just don’t know how it would get to us from Nubia.

This is not evidence used to say "we are from Nubia," that is already comprehensively established by many diverse pieces of evidence. That was not the point. The point is, as a Nubian descended group that the Somalis are, the practice still stayed with us, and that practice is very widely ancient and has broad anthropological diachronic fixtures. Kind of a different focus, my friend.

 

[TheLand]

This is not evidence used to say "we are from Nubia," that is already comprehensively established by many diverse pieces of evidence. That was not the point. The point is, as a Nubian descended group that the Somalis are, the practice still stayed with us, and that practice is very widely ancient and has broad anthropological diachronic fixtures. Kind of a different focus, my friend.

I don’t think you understood what I was saying. I didn’t say it was evidence of anything. That line in bold is what you seem to be arguing and what I anticipated. I’m not saying your argument is wrong, just wondering if you are assuming that this practice came from ancient Nubia because we are a ‘Nubian descended’ group. Is there any actual evidence of this or is it just an assumption that that is where it must have come from. You could argue that anything we have in common must have come from Nubia then by that logic. Many other cultures all over the world practice this as well.

 

[The alchemist]

I don’t think you understood what I was saying. I didn’t say it was evidence of anything. That line in bold is what you seem to be arguing and what I anticipated. I’m not saying your argument is wrong, just wondering if you are assuming that this practice came from ancient Nubia because we are a ‘Nubian descended’ group. Is there any actual evidence of this or is it just an assumption that that is where it must have come from. You could argue that anything we have in common must have come from Nubia then by that logic. Many other cultures all over the world practice this as well.

You don't get it. Our ancestors weren't at some point; they were literally those people depicted. Do you see why the burden of proof lies in your court? Somalis directly descend from Lower Nubians and were there when the Egyptians put up those hieroglyphics. We exited that region ~3000 years ago. There is a ton of research to prove this, and I am not going to write it for you here since long posts solely dedicated to ascertaining the links have been written.

Evidence of all that through genetics, archeology, anthropolgy, linguistics, subsitence, etc., search up my shit and it will appear for you to read. But let's just end things here because you clearly are in a different mind state with that kind of needless argumentation.

This subject has ended until you do the due diligence that is already posted rigorously on this forum, sxb. If you have other unrelated questions, that would be cool. I don't want to waste my time on things I have already covered.

 

[TheLand]

You don't get it. Our ancestors weren't at some point; they were literally those people depicted. Do you see why the burden of proof lies in your court? Somalis directly descend from Lower Nubians and were there when those fucking Egyptian cunts put up those hieroglyphcs. We exited that region ~3000 years ago. There is a ton of research to prove this, and I am not going to write it for you here.

Evidence of all that through genetics, archeology, anthropolgy, linguistics, subsitence, etc., search up my shit and it will appear for you to read. But let's just end things here because you clearly are in a different mind state with that kind of needless argumentation.

This subject has ended until you do the due diligence that is already posted rigorously on this forum, sxb. If you have other unrelated questions, that would be cool. I don't want to waste my time on things I have already covered.

Just to be clear, you are arguing quite passionately I must say, that because they are our ‘ancestors’ it needs to be DISPROVEN that the feathers came from them? I understand you feel very strongly about all this, but I don’t see any hard evidence is all I’m saying. You may be right, but you risk over-interpreting cultural parallels especially given the timelines involved. Good read though.

 

[The alchemist]

Just to be clear, you are arguing quite passionately I must say, that because they are our ‘ancestors’ it needs to be DISPROVEN that the feathers came from them? I understand you feel very strongly about all this, but I don’t see any hard evidence is all I’m saying. You may be right, but you risk over-interpreting cultural parallels especially given the timelines involved. Good read though.

Those are not cultural parallels when we deal with descent groups. You need to use your basic reasoning skills, bud. It's getting ridiculous. "Cultural parallels" are us and the Turkana. The fact that you conflate this with people we descend from is insincere argumentation. That is why I told you not to waste my time engaging in needless back-and-forth.

On the matter of proving anything, that is the reason why I told you to read the research established on the forum. You will get there if you try, I'm sure.

The aspect of passion. I am beating a dead horse, and stupid repetition without you doing your research will never end. I can't hold your hand through this like a baby.

This conversation has ended. Keep the respect and keep it pushing if you don't have other questions.

 

[TheLand]

Those are not cultural parallels when we deal with descent groups. You need to use your basic reasoning skills, bud. It's getting ridiculous. "Cultural parallels" are us and the Turkana. The fact that you conflate this with people we descend from is insincere argumentation. That is why I told you not to waste my time engaging in needless back-and-forth.

On the matter of proving anything, that is the reason why I told you to read the research established on the forum. You will get there if you try, I'm sure.

The aspect of passion. I am beating a dead horse, and stupid repetition without you doing your research will never end. I can't hold your hand through this like a baby.

This conversation has ended. Keep the respect and keep it pushing if you don't have other questions.

My friend, you posted this of your own volition and nobody forced you to but now you seem to not like the critiques which you invited. If that wasn’t your intention then make that clear.

Descent groups? Are you arguing that since you think we descended from these Nubians you think it can’t be cultural parallels and then you question my reasoning skills? This is just flawed on your part.

I’m not sure what research you are pointing to but the fact that you didn’t tie it to your thesis here tells me it’s a red herring.

Finally, on disrespect, nobody disrespected you here, on the contrary it’s you who’s being disrespectful but that’s ok. I’ll take it as your strong emotional investment in all of this. No hard feelings.

 

[The alchemist]

My friend, you posted this of your own volition and nobody forced you to but now you seem to not like the critiques which you invited. If that wasn’t your intention then make that clear.

Descent groups? Are you arguing that since you think we descended from these Nubians you think it can’t be cultural parallels and then you question my reasoning skills? This is just flawed on your part.

I’m not sure what research you are pointing to but the fact that you didn’t tie it to your thesis here tells me it’s a red herring.

Finally, on disrespect, nobody disrespected you here, on the contrary it’s you who’s being disrespectful but that’s ok. I’ll take it as your strong emotional investment in all of this. No hard feelings.

That is why I called you out as an insincere actor, which you solidly prove here. You're not going to do basic necessary reading and go on to call it a "red herring" without checking it, which would reconcile your ignorance and resolve your mental inadequacy at comprehending what I am saying if you put some effort into it. That is what we call a stubborn fool. You are doing no one a favor by saying you won't educate yourself while being utterly ignorant in a conversation. That is the epitome of low intelligence.

You know what. Let us get several people here and see who is off.

@Shimbiris @NidarNidar @Apostle

Be objective, guys.

I don't have time for this.

 

[TheLand]

That is why I called you out as an insincere actor, which you solidly prove here. You're not going to do basic necessary reading and go on to call it a "red herring" without checking it, which would reconcile your ignorance and resolve your mental inadequacy at comprehending what I am saying if you put some effort into it. That is what we call a stubborn fool. You are doing no one a favor by saying you won't educate yourself while being utterly ignorant in a conversation. That is the epitome of low intelligence.

You know what. Let us get several people here and see who is off.

@Shimbiris @NidarNidar @Apostle

Be objective, guys.

I don't have time for this.

Of course, call in the reinforcements. Somehow I knew you would resort to such tactics. I must say, your immaturity here is very revealing. It gives one a glimpse into your insecure mind. Perhaps others have seen it before but it’s a first for me. You can’t back up or prove your arguments so you resort to childish insults and name calling. The fact that you get so emotional about something as meaningless as feathers which anyone could pick up off the ground and stick into their head tells me you put a lot of value into your own opinions and tie your self worth to all of this. It’s pretty pathetic sxb, honestly. Do better.

 

[The alchemist]

Of course, call in the reinforcements. Somehow I knew you would resort to such tactics. I must say, your immaturity here is very revealing. It gives one a glimpse into your insecure mind. Perhaps others have seen it before but it’s a first for me. You can’t back up or prove your arguments so you resort to childish insults and name calling. The fact that you get so emotional about something as meaningless as feathers which anyone could pick up off the ground and stick into their head tells me you put a lot of value into your own opinions and tie your self worth to all of this. It’s pretty pathetic sxb, honestly. Do better.

I have exhausted good reasoning with you. I quoted the other brethren to see if 3rd party individuals can come and give their takes that definitely will keep it a buck and end the nonsense. The fact that you know this is going to be in my favor further exposes your insincere mind and reflects an insecure person. Unless you're calling those guys biased in my favor, which is an attack on their credibility, you've already conceded. Let us wait for them to make a comment, and I promise you, you will hear more reason. Don't cry now.

You became insecure as soon as I posted people's names. If you were fully secure, you would welcome it instead of throwing these ideas that I am insecure. If I were, I would never have done it because these guys would have exposed where I erred. I trust them to do that. And I told them to be objective as they will be, so this is not reinforcement for me, only a reinforcement for the facts and reason, which is on my side. You're clogging up my thread, and I need you to stop that bullshit. I can't have you repeat stupid lines forever and peddle crap your way through things. That is not going to happen. You will be held to standards and responsible for your words.

Sit tight and wait.

 

[TheLand]

I have exhausted good reasoning with you. I quoted the other brethren to see if 3rd party individuals can come and give their takes that definitely will keep it a buck and end the nonsense. The fact that you know this is going to be in my favor further exposes your insincere mind and reflects an insecure person. Unless you're calling those guys biased in my favor, which is an attack on their credibility, you've already conceded. Let us wait for them to make a comment, and I promise you, you will hear more reason. Don't cry now.

You became insecure as soon as I posted people's names. If you were fully secure, you would welcome it instead of throwing these ideas that I am insecure. If I were, I would never have done it because these guys would have exposed where I erred. I trust them to do that. And I told them to be objective as they will be, so this is not reinforcement for me, only a reinforcement for the facts and reason, which is on my side. You're clogging up my thread, and I need you to stop that bullshit. I can't have you repeat stupid lines forever and peddle crap your way through things. That is not going to happen. You will be held to standards and responsible for your words.

Sit tight and wait.

‘In your favor’? Sxb, I’ve seen all your long-winded meandering posts here and sometimes you have a good point but it seems like you are looking for validation here more than anything else. I’m sure that it’s important for you to be seen as smart by a certain subset of users here, that much is also clear. You seem incredibly immature and insecure and it reeks from your own words. ‘Going to be in my favor’…’already conceded’…like what is that? Am I talking to a grown man in the culture and history section or an emotionally stunted child?

All I said is I don’t see the connection you are trying to make other than ‘we are descendants of Nubians’. I also told you I don’t think you are necessarily wrong, just that I don’t see it and you may need to develop this further. You seemed to have taken that as a challenge to your fragile ego and you started with ad hominem insults. Your overreaction tells me a lot about your mind-state and motivations. You reveal much about your self you might not realize but it’s pretty apparent to me. Let your work speak for itself and stop the insults and instinctive defensiveness. You’ll be much better off for it long term I promise you.

 

[The alchemist]

‘In your favor’? Sxb, I’ve seen all your long-winded meandering posts here and sometimes you have a good point but it seems like you are looking for validation here more than anything else. I’m sure that it’s important for you to be seen as smart by a certain subset of users here, that much is also clear. You seem incredibly immature and insecure and it reeks from your own words. ‘Going to be in my favor’…’already conceded’…like what is that? Am I talking to a grown man in the culture and history section or an emotionally stunted child?

All I said is I don’t see the connection you are trying to make other than ‘we are descendants of Nubians’. I also told you I don’t think you are necessarily wrong, just that I don’t see it and you may need to develop this further. You seemed to have taken that as a challenge to your fragile ego and you started with ad hominem insults. Your overreaction tells me a lot about your mind-state and motivations. You reveal much about your self you might not realize but it’s pretty apparent to me. Let your work speak for itself and stop the insults and instinctive defensiveness. You’ll be much better off for it long term I promise you.

Aw, cute. Let's just wait and spare me the garbage emotional dump. I don't respect you anymore and will never take any advice from an insincere person such as yourself. I gave you a few chances, responded thourhgouhly, and when you started to repeat your contorted repeat of same things like a broken record as if I did not respond each time and when you were given direction for where you could furhter see elaboration on the backgorund information that the conversation lies on (that would have ended your useless babbling and waste of space activities), you say they are "red herrings" and then is when I knew what kind scumbag you are, dissmissing information just because you know you have to own up to your ignorant peddling. So spare me the fake bullshit. I don't need to deal with you guys more than needed. Let's see what the people most knowledgeable on these matters on the forum say, and let's keep it pushing.

 

[Shimbiris]

For people who know a thing or two about Somali historical culture, feathers on the heads of males are granted to the ones who best others in a fight to the death. This feather-wearing is a practice that goes back to the Nubian days:

From Lower Nubia between 3500-3000 years ago:
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Othere Lower Nubian (also the Upper Nubians wore feathers):
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This is from older rock art in the central Eastern Desert, Egypt.

"Feathers are the most common feature added to the basic body shape. Both Rohl (2000) and Wilkinson (2003) maintained that plumes not only represented status, but that divinity and twin plumes were a precursor of the double-plumes worn by gods and goddesses in the pharaonic era. They are examined here to determine if they are may indicate status or are associated with hunting, since the latter is such a feature of the Central Eastern Desert petroglyphs."

Distribution:View attachment 359749

If the Somali practice of putting feathers only after killing someone, it does answer why these guys reason to wear them. Here they seem clueless:

"Plumed figures are mostly found in the southern wadis and at sites dated to the Predynastic (see Chapter Seven). They are especially prevalent in the heavily early Wadis Baramiya, Hajalij (S), and Umm Salam. But they also feature at predynastic sites in Abu Wasil, and this north-central wadi sees a concentration of feathered figures. There are comparatively few examples in Wadi Hammamat where there are a number of pharaonic figures, only one of which has double plumes. In Wadi Atwani again plumed figures are present entirely at early sites in association with predynastic boats. In the core central Wadis Iqaydi and Shalul plumed figures are rare."

Here is evidence that the North Cushites, Blemmyes (ancestors of the Beja) wore feathers and even depicted such:

"However, plumes do not always indicate an early date. At IQA-10 comparison to Greek lettering shows that one plumed figure in a boat is probably Greco Roman. The plumes also have bulbous ends, a feature never seen on predynastic figures (Figure 5.9)."

In reality, this is a practice that likely goes way deeper in time and relates to the AEA side of Cushitic ancestry. Why do I say this? Because Nilo-Saharan peoples also wear feathers on their heads.
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Trusting ChatGPT on this, I asked why the Hamer men wear plumes on their heads. The machine answered; it is a symbol of bravery and status, and masculinity, after going through a rite of passage. Their specific challenge has to do with bull-jumping. If the individual succeeds, the male becomes an adult and eligible for marriage. I think this is, in structural framework, similar to the Somali, where we signify the ultimate rights of passage as being a warrior, with the morbid reality being, to test one's prowess is to battle someone. If one succeeds, that becomes the sign of bravery, status, masculinity, etc. In that regard, I think that it is overall the same since those ancients in the Egyptian Central Eastern Desert. Only for them, it was about hunting as a rights of passage:
View attachment 359752

To give us more insight, the mixed Rendille (with Samburu) wear a spesific headgear that they place several feathers on.
View attachment 359753

For the Rendilles, it showcases ones expressed and proven hunting prowess.
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For the Turkana, it is for the same reason as the Somalis.

"A warrior also has the right to wear white ostrich feathers. The warlike philosophy of the Turkana fascinated E. R. Shackleton, who was a District Commissoner in Lodwar during the 1930s. Shackleton recorded a long story told by a veteran chief named Lonyamon: 'I was a warrior. I knew everything. And ever since I have killed a man I have worn nothing but the best ostrich feathers -- white.'"

The Turkana are nilotics who are mixed with Cushites.

This is the hunter palette of Naqada III, dated to 3100 BC:
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To summarize, this feather-wearing practice has to do with masculinity affirmation and social status that has existed for at least 5000 years (plus) and goes back to the Nubian region (for us, much more recently). I don't want to go too deep with the Eastern Desert rock art stuff because it goes into a whole lot of things that have massive historical significance, and it is an expansive topic that needs its respective focus.

Thank you. Yet another to add to the list. I've completed 3/4ths of my "We came from Nubia" post for Anthromadness and the last 1/4 is basically about showing cultural parallels I've noticed between East-Cushites (namely Somalis) and the people of the Nile Valley like AEs and Nubians and the peculiar fact that these parallels I have noticed seem pre-Hellenic and pre-Christian which is peculiar if we are supposed to have gotten these elements through trade.

Of course you and I both know we got these cultural elements from our ancestors having been in that region 3,000 to 4,500 years ago.

 

[TheLand]

Aw, cute. Let's just wait and spare me the garbage emotional dump. I don't respect you anymore and will never take any advice from an insincere person such as yourself. I gave you a few chances, responded thourhgouhly, and when you started to repeat your contorted repeat of same things like a broken record as if I did not respond each time and when you were given direction for where you could furhter see elaboration on the backgorund information that the conversation lies on (that would have ended your useless babbling and waste of space activities), you say they are "red herrings" and then is when I knew what kind scumbag you are, dissmissing information just because you know you have to own up to your ignorant peddling. So spare me the fake bullshit. I don't need to deal with you guys more than needed. Let's see what the people most knowledgeable on these matters on the forum say, and let's keep it pushing.

If you had any use of logic you would know it’s on you to post that, that is the burden of proof. You are the one making the claims not me. You want me to search around all your verbose postings to find something when you could have easily posted it here. The fact that you didn’t belies your obfuscations. It does not back up your thesis so you are trying to deflect. That is all there is to it, I know it and you know it.

This is a post about feathers. It’s right there in your title so I don’t care about anything else not related to that, because anything less will not show a concrete connection to what you are attempting to argue. I don’t care about some dna analysis or archeology on ancient Nubia, I’m well aware. It does not prove your thesis either way. Again, this isn’t to say you are necessarily wrong, get that through your head waryaa. It is simply that it is plausible but weak.

 

[The alchemist]

If you had any use of logic you would know it’s on you to post that, that is the burden of proof. You are the one making the claims not me. You want me to search around all your verbose postings to find something when you could have easily posted it here. The fact that you didn’t belies your obfuscations. It does not back up your thesis so you are trying to deflect. That is all there is to it, I know it and you know it.

This is a post about feathers. It’s right there in your title so I don’t care about anything else not related to that, because anything less will not show a concrete connection to what you are attempting to argue. I don’t care about some dna analysis or archeology on ancient Nubia, I’m well aware. It does not prove your thesis either way. Again, this isn’t to say you are necessarily wrong, get that through your head waryaa. It is simply that it is plausible but weak.

Stop wasting my time now, and stop the crying. You are an ignorant bum who spoke more than your knowledge was worth; that is the only thing exposed, coupled with your lowlife dishonest peddling. I gave you a reference, and you refused to engage with that. There is nothing beyond that. You are worthless in this thread, and you showed your cowardly character. Instead of learning and showing a bit of humility in a conversation that you clearly lack knowledge in, you started arguing and bullshitting. I don't respect you.

 

[TheLand]

Stop wasting my time now, and stop the crying. You are an ignorant bum who spoke more than your knowledge was worth; that is the only thing exposed, coupled with your lowlife dishonest peddling. I gave you a reference, and you refused to engage with that. There is nothing beyond that. You are worthless in this thread, and you showed your cowardly character. Instead of learning and showing a bit of humility in a conversation that you clearly lack knowledge in, you started arguing and bullshitting. I don't respect you.

The more you write the more you seem like nothing more than a foul mouthed charlatan with serious emotional deficiencies trying to compensate for feelings of inadequacy. I see right through you buddy. I’m sure we all do. May Allah cure whatever ailment you have.

 

[The alchemist]

Thank you. Yet another to add to the list. I've completed 3/4ths of my "We came from Nubia" post for Anthromadness and the last 1/4 is basically about showing cultural parallels I've noticed between East-Cushites (namely Somalis) and the people of the Nile Valley like AEs and Nubians and the peculiar fact that these parallels I have noticed seem pre-Hellenic and pre-Christian which is peculiar if we are supposed to have gotten these elements through trade.

Of course you and I both know we got these cultural elements from our ancestors having been in that region 3,000 to 4,500 years ago.

I would correct one thing and say it is not parallel if we descend from one of those groups (only parallel to other groups, which you indeed mentioned). I only say this because that other guy started to conflate parallelism from diachronic descent and continuity. I understand you're being broad in language since it is not that important in general, but I had a guy spending time wasting my time by trying to imbue failure in my statements.

I asked ChatGPT just to make sure if I was tripping, lmao. The machine reaffirmed what I said:

I only say this because I will not give this guy an inch. I'm usually not a stickler for fucking language but I not show charitability.

We have undoubtedly satisfied that we are indeed a Nubian continuity, the thing he called a "red herring."

But on the matter of your post. There is really a lot to talk about on the Nubian matter.

 

[The alchemist]

The more you write the more you seem like nothing more than a foul mouthed charlatan with serious emotional deficiencies trying to compensate for feelings of inadequacy. I see right through you buddy. I’m sure we all do. May Allah cure whatever ailment you have.

You're an utter embarrassing failure on this thread. Go cry like a b*tch somehwere else. You can never pretend to be moral with your deficient, insincere approach. If you had behaved differently, engaged sincerely, and opened your ignorant, petty, pathetic mind, then maybe we would have had a nice conversation, which I have with the overwhelming people on the Culture and History section. It's only the people who carry and throw their trash that end up polluting the threads.

 

[Shimbiris]

I would correct one thing and say it is not parallel if we descend from one of those groups (only parallel to other groups, which you indeed mentioned). I only say this because that other guy started to conflate parallelism from diachronic descent and continuity. I understand you're being broad in language since it is not that important in general, but I had a guy spending time wasting my time by trying to imbue failure in my statements.

I asked ChatGPT just to make sure if I was tripping, lmao. The machine reaffirmed what I said:

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I only say this because I will not give this guy an inch. I'm usually not a stickler for fucking language but I not show charitability.

We have undoubtedly satisfied that we are indeed a Nubian continuity, the thing he called a "red herring."

But on the matter of your post. There is really a lot to talk about on the Nubian matter.

I haven't gone through the thread much but last I recall @TheLand seemed totally onboard with our Nile Valley origins, but either way you are correct. Not "parallelism" in that these are essentially inherited traditions. With all the stuff I've looked at and you've shared at this point, when I read about groups like the A-Group, Wawat and the Kermans I'm picturing the ancestors of modern groups such as Somalis, Afars, Sahos, Sidamos and Oromos.

Dem "Ta-Seti" folks the Egyptians were talking about were our awoowes and ayeeyos. Kekekekek.