Target Somalia: The new scramble for Africa?

[MadNomad]

Great article on the many foreign influences in the country.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-39654795


''It sometimes feels like Mogadishu is a Turkish colony. As soon as you land at the airport, red and white Turkish flags seem to outnumber the sky blue Somali ones.''

 

[oday1kenobi]

Not really a great article considering that the reporter doesn't even know the various factions/states operating within the region. (like SL/PL)

Also according to the article, Ethiopia is against the new base and port investment in somaliland even though the Ethiopian regieme has publicly voiced it's support? (probably due to receiving 20% share of the port)

"The regional powerhouse, Ethiopia, is not at all happy about Somalia's new friends, especially those from the Gulf. It sees Egypt behind all of this, plotting reprisals for the giant dams Ethiopia is building, which Egypt fears may starve it of waters from the Nile."

Lol the city state of xamar/mogabomba is against this deal/UAE's actions yet the reporter makes up a narrative that Ethiopia is against Somalia's "new friends"

Overall though this article should open the eyes of Somalis who see some nations as friends (turkey) when in reality they are just another stakeholder with interests like everyone else.

Expected more from the BBC tbh.

 

[MadNomad]

Not really a great article considering that the reporter doesn't even know the various factions/states operating within the region. (like SL/PL)

Also according to the article, Ethiopia is against the new base and port investment in somaliland even though the regieme has publicly voiced it's support? (probably due to receiving 20% share of the port)

Overall though this article should open the eyes of Somalis who see some nations as friends (turkey) when in reality they are just another stakeholder with interests like everyone else.

I think she knows about SL/PL.

But yeah, Turkey is not in Somalia to help out. If this keeps up there is the possibility of them becoming psuedo-colonizers. Somalia might become Djibouti

 

[oday1kenobi]

I think she knows about SL/PL.

But yeah, Turkey is not in Somalia to help out. If this keeps up there is the possibility of them becoming psuedo-colonizers. Somalia might become Djibouti

Don't get me wrong turkey is comparably a far better partner than several western nations (namely US/UK) who of course are largely to blame for the instability in the south (illegal US/Ethiopia invasion in 2006 which brought the rise of al-shabab)

But still with Somalia situated in a strategic location with belligerent nations neighbouring it and a sunni-shia war brewing across the gulf then it's imperative for any Somali leader to tread the waters carefully/be neutral (apart from said belligerent countries biting more than they can chew aka Kenya trying to steal Somali waters).

 

[horumar]

Mary Harper is a good journalist, she spent years studying Somalia and understands a lot about the country for someone who is not Somali.

Although she is wrong on the Turkish colony. It's under joint supervision of the AU and Turkey, although Somalia is classified as a dependent territory of the African Union, turkey is just helping.

Also, I think Somalia needs to re-evaluate their relationship with Egypt, and the Arab world especially. The Arabs are useful, but Ethiopia is even more useful, if we just stop with the tension, we can take advantage of Ethiopia's landlocked economy.

And if Ethiopia is taking advantage of Egypt's dependency on the Nile, we shouldn't hesitate to take advantage of Ethiopia also.

On another note, I truly hope the conference in May will focus on economic development, rather than futile politics, I hope Silanyo goes, as well as every other Somali leader. With the recent events in the past few years I think dialogue is needed.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Mary Harper is a good journalist, she spent years studying Somalia and understands a lot about the country for someone who is not Somali.

Although she is wrong on the Turkish colony. It's under joint supervision of the AU and Turkey, although Somalia is classified as a dependent territory of the African Union, turkey is just helping.

Also, I think Somalia needs to re-evaluate their relationship with Egypt, and the Arab world especially. The Arabs are useful, but Ethiopia is even more useful, if we just stop with the tension, we can take advantage of Ethiopia's landlocked economy.

And if Ethiopia is taking advantage of Egypt's dependency on the Nile, we shouldn't hesitate to take advantage of Ethiopia also.

On another note, I truly hope the conference in May will focus on economic development, rather than futile politics, I hope Silanyo goes, as well as every other Somali leader. With the recent events in the past few years I think dialogue is needed.

Ethiopia has been destabilising Somalia for the past 20 years, they have no interest in a genuine relationship with Somalia. Only until this colonial entity is dismantled can we have a good relationship with the Xabashis.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

I think she knows about SL/PL.

But yeah, Turkey is not in Somalia to help out. If this keeps up there is the possibility of them becoming psuedo-colonizers. Somalia might become Djibouti

Turks wanna transform Somalia into their own holiday resort...


On a serious note, Somalia will amount to nothing if this trend of divide & conquer by ajnabis continues. Federalism based on qabiil will just facilitate this.

 

[horumar]

Turks wanna transform Somalia into their own holiday resort...


On a serious note, Somalia will amount to nothing if this trend of divide & conquer by ajnabis continues. Federalism based on qabiil will just facilitate this.

We need good federalism, the major clans (not sub clans) should be under one state, only then can somaliweyn be achieved

Also if everyone manages themselves, we do what the swiss do and have a new president each year, the presidency is passed to the suldaan/leader of the qabiil

Sorta like what Nigeria and Malaysia do

 

[Inquisitive_]

This is like asking the devil himself about God, then present those answers as facts and have a discussion over it.

The BBC is the arm of the British government, it serves their interests and narratives, hence depicting Mogadishu as a Turkish colony by the greatest colonialist the world has ever seen, doesn't even see the irony in the statement.

I am not surprised the OP posted that BBC Europhile link, since he already abandoned his religion/culture and pride for their believes, prideless quacks like him make me puke in disgust.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

We need good federalism, the major clans (not sub clans) should be under one state, only then can somaliweyn be achieved

Also if everyone manages themselves, we do what the swiss do and have a new president each year, the presidency is passed to the suldaan/leader of the qabiil

Sorta like what Nigeria and Malaysia do

I prefer a unitary Presidential republic. Its not a bad suggestion though, A constitutional monarchy were the title of "King of Somalia" rotates to each Suldaan could potentially work, but they'll just be a figure head, all the power should be held by the PM.

 

[horumar]

I prefer a unitary Presidential republic. Its not a bad suggestion though, A constitutional monarchy were the title of "King of Somalia" rotates to each Suldaan could potentially work, but they'll just be a figure head, all the power should be held by the PM.

No, as in each qabiil state, will have their own prime minister, and as well as a suldaan, so legislative and clan matters can be separated. The prime minister of that state will then be the president of the country, for one year, and it will be rotated for 5 times. Once the 5th president has finished, there will be elections in the qabiil states and they will choose a new prime minister.

The 'King of Somalia' should be replaced with a majlis, golaha qabiilka, where each suldaan of a qabiil also meet and discuss matters.

Then we can revert back to our title of the Somali Republic, as monarchical ways are outdated compared to this day and age.

 

[dhegdheer]

And ppl here were so quick to praise Turkey

It's best to be wary of all foreign countries who wants to invest in Somalia

 

[oday1kenobi]

I prefer a unitary Presidential republic. Its not a bad suggestion though, A constitutional monarchy were the title of "King of Somalia" rotates to each Suldaan could potentially work, but they'll just be a figure head, all the power should be held by the PM.

Intesting the only problem is that every sub clan and sub sub clan (and so on) will want to hold the title of suldaan. (potentially thousands)

Even if its a relegated symbolic role under a theoretical constitutional monarchy, knowing our qabil culture it will actually cause more civil strife!

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Intesting the only problem is that every sub clan and sub sub clan (and so on) will want to hold the title of suldaan. (potentially thousands)

Even if its a relegated symbolic role under a theoretical constitutional monarchy, knowing our qabil culture it will actually cause more civil strife!

Exactly, a unitary presidential system would be fine. A monarchy system would be ruined by qabiil.

 

[Codeine]

No, as in each qabiil state, will have their own prime minister, and as well as a suldaan, so legislative and clan matters can be separated. The prime minister of that state will then be the president of the country, for one year, and it will be rotated for 5 times. Once the 5th president has finished, there will be elections in the qabiil states and they will choose a new prime minister.

The 'King of Somalia' should be replaced with a majlis, golaha qabiilka, where each suldaan of a qabiil also meet and discuss matters.

Then we can revert back to our title of the Somali Republic, as monarchical ways are outdated compared to this day and age.

That is a terrible, terrible system begging to bring about inept leaders.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

No, as in each qabiil state, will have their own prime minister, and as well as a suldaan, so legislative and clan matters can be separated. The prime minister of that state will then be the president of the country, for one year, and it will be rotated for 5 times. Once the 5th president has finished, there will be elections in the qabiil states and they will choose a new prime minister.

The 'King of Somalia' should be replaced with a majlis, golaha qabiilka, where each suldaan of a qabiil also meet and discuss matters.

Then we can revert back to our title of the Somali Republic, as monarchical ways are outdated compared to this day and age.

Qabiil PM will be president of Somalia for only one year & then another one assumes the post? Thats gonna be very confusing.


That system would be inefficient & there will be too much bureaucracy. Plus, the people will be more loyal to their own qabiil state than the Somali state.

 

[horumar]

Qabiil PM will be president of Somalia for only one year? Thats gonna be very confusing.


That system would be inefficient & there will be too much bureaucracy. Plus, the people will be more loyal to their own qabiil state than the Somali state.

Well good luck, 4.5 system is bound to fail anytime, somalia will collapse on itself again if they don't get their act together.

 

[Hemaal]

Mary Harper and her shit thoughts of an article!

 

[Leo]

Theirs an influx of many foreigners in many of the regions, this can either be good for diversity as Somalis are incompetent when it comes manual labor or janitorial work, and a great way to cultivate skills and competence to rebuild many regions of the country.

 

[Inquisitive_]

Lowly inferiority complex suffering Dupe Vs real puratanical concious nationalist

Dhiig iyo damiir vs bakhti dhabodilif