Thoughts on Ataturk?

[Khaem]

Saved turkey from colonisation.
But tried to westernised the country and was not kind to Islam. What are your thoughts on this man?

 

[Internet Nomad]

Was the turkish siad barre that actually worked.

However his social and religious views were shitty.

Siad was more closer to islamnimo than him.

 

[Lahaine]

He saved he's country from being humiliated by the Entente and modernized it. I've also noticed that the only people who hate Ataturk are non-turks

That being said he was harsh on islam he changed the Adhan to Turkish.

 

[Scipio Africanus]

I’ll give him credit for modernising the country infrastructure, education system & economy. However, his staunch Anti-Arab/Islam views are terrible & kissed the ass of Europeans.

 

[Khaem]

He saved he's country from being humiliated by the Entente and modernized it. I've also noticed that the only people who hate Ataturk are non-turks

True, even islamist Turks have a degree of respect for him. He's the man who saved turkey from literally being xooged frome existence by the Europeans after ww1.

Was the turkish siad barre that actually worked.

However his social and religious views were shitty.

Siad was more closer to islamnimo than him.

Siad barre could've been better than him if he had won the Ogaden war and passed power to a selected successor in the late 80s before he went crazy and started bombing isaaqs. He would've unified all somalis into a single state and built it up to be at least a higher middle income country right now.

We would've had the state institutions around to keep industialising to a world class state by the mid century had it all gone well

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Saved turkey from colonisation.
But tried to westernised the country and was not kind to Islam. What are your thoughts on this man?

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He’s the Turkish Siad Barre that succeeded and was far more secular. Cool guy and was definitely what Turkey needed at the time, but his anti Islam policies were too much

 

[Lahaine]

True, even islamist Turks have a degree of respect for him. He's the man who saved turkey from literally being xooged frome existence by the Europeans after ww1.

Yeah everyone in Turkey has respect for him no matter the ideology. After all Turkey as it is wouldn't have existed without him

 

[Internet Nomad]

True, even islamist Turks have a degree of respect for him. He's the man who saved turkey from literally being xooged frome existence by the Europeans after ww1.


Siad barre could've been better than him if he had won the Ogaden war and passed power to a selected successor in the late 80s before he went crazy and started bombing isaaqs. He would've unified all somalis into a single state and built it up to be at least a higher middle income country right now.

Somalia would’ve been a developed economy with mixed levels of religiosity like eygpt.

As time passed we would’ve turn back to islam like the data shows.

Arabs Are Getting More Religious.

Muslim Youth in South-East Asia Are More Religious Than Their Parents

Is Türkiye Becoming More Religious Under Erdogan’s Rule? Yes, It Is!

 

[Khaem]

He saved he's country from being humiliated by the Entente and modernized it. I've also noticed that the only people who hate Ataturk are non-turks

That being said he was harsh on islam he changed the Adhan to Turkish.
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I still don't understand changing the adhan to Turkish. Isn't that haram?

 

[Khaem]

Somalia would’ve been a developed economy with mixed levels of religiosity like eygpt.

As time passed we would’ve turn back to islam like the data shows.

Arabs Are Getting More Religious.

Muslim Youth in South-East Asia Are More Religious Than Their Parents

Is Türkiye Becoming More Religious Under Erdogan’s Rule? Yes, It Is!

The 20th century was that or secularism and new ideologies. It seems the world is slowly going back to traditionalism and religion. Even America seems like it. Europe just looks like a lost cause idk what's going on there

 

[Basra]

Saved turkey from colonisation.
But tried to westernised the country and was not kind to Islam. What are your thoughts on this man?

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He looks like a gangsta. Probably his favorite movie was The Godfather

 

[Lahaine]

I still don't understand changing the adhan to Turkish. Isn't that haram?

Turks at that time were so anti Arab whether it was the fez, hijab or Adhan they didn't want anything influenced by Arabs

 

[Khaem]

Turks at that time were so anti Arab whether it was the fez, hijab or Adhan they didn't want anything influenced by Arabs

Funny cause the Fez was taken from morroco and used by turks as a replacement of the Turban which they saw as too Arab. Only to replace the fez with a western hat.

Don't understand why the turks felt such a way to arabs. You'd think they were formerly colonised but no it was the opposite. Turks ruled the Arabs for centuries and much of what we call Arab culture actually came from the Turks or was spread to them from the Ottoman Empire.

 

[Lahaine]

Funny cause the Fez was taken from morroco and used by turks as a replacement of the Turban which they saw as too Arab. Only to replace the fez with a western hat.

Don't understand why the turks felt such a way to arabs. You'd think they were formerly colonised but no it was the opposite. Turks ruled the Arabs for centuries and much of what we call Arab culture actually came from the Turks or was spread to them from the Ottoman Empire.

They were angry at the Arab revolt many Turks never thought that the Arabs would betray them. Till today even Turkish nationalist remind their fellow Turks that the Arabs are not to be trusted

 

[Internet Nomad]

The 20th century was that or secularism and new ideologies. It seems the world is slowly going back to traditionalism and religion. Even America seems like it. Europe just looks like a lost cause idk what's going on there

Yeah 20th century was dominated by liberals and progressive and the 2010s and early 2020s is there last dying effort.

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Funny cause the Fez was taken from morroco and used by turks as a replacement of the Turban which they saw as too Arab. Only to replace the fez with a western hat.

Don't understand why the turks felt such a way to arabs. You'd think they were formerly colonised but no it was the opposite. Turks ruled the Arabs for centuries and much of what we call Arab culture actually came from the Turks or was spread to them from the Ottoman Empire.

Wrong, it was largely a one way culture exchange in which Arabic customs & script were adopted by the Turks.

The Turks had lost most of their mongol/turkic culture & embraced the culture of Arabs & the Persians(themselves also have Arabic influence).

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

He´s a nationalist Kafir.

 

[Khaem]

Wrong, it was largely a one way culture exchange in which Arabic customs & script were adopted by the Turks.

The Turks had lost most of their mongol/turkic culture & embraced the culture of Arabs & the Persians(themselves also Arabised to an extent).

I'm not talking about egyptian culture. I mean the gulf arabs. What substantial culture did they give to turks beside language influence. It was mostly Persian influence. I mean the Turks came to anatolia through a turkic-Persian empire. And Persian was a used language among the Ottomans.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Wrong, it was largely a one way culture exchange in which Arabic customs & script were adopted by the Turks.

The Turks had lost most of their mongol/turkic culture & embraced the culture of Arabs & the Persians(themselves also Arabised to an extent).

You’re right, as they were nomadic warriors settling amongst large sedentary populations they took most of their customs, language and folktales. 88% of the Turkish language before Ataturk came was Persian/Arabic, it was mostly mutually intelligible with these two languages.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish

 

[Khaem]

You’re right, as they were nomadic warriors settling amongst large sedentary populations they took most of their customs, language and folktales. 88% of the Turkish language before Ataturk came was Persian/Arabic, it was mostly mutually intelligible with these two languages.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish

It's a wonder why Af-somali was so conservative and wasn't hugely influenced like that. When we had much larger sedentary population of Ethiopia next door.