What cultures or ethnic group have clan system?
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Mostly in the Islamic communities clan and family structures play huge role.
Thats exists in other East African countries like in Eritrea Djibouti and Sudan.
For example among the Eritrean Cushitic’s tribes like Afar and Sahos there are different subgroups. Sahos have Minifre Assaworta and others and among Bejas there the Hadendowa Hidarib and Beni Amer. Many of those clans came together by one language.(Tribal Federation)
Among Tigrinya speakers in Eritrea there are also southern Tigrinyas Seraye central Tigrinya Hamasien and south eastern Akele Guzai and they had beef in the past as well. Among the Tigres you have ethnic Tigres and Tigre who were originally Ethnic Bejas and Beni Amers but just assimilated to the Tigre tribe.
But those tensions were resolved. The Eritrean gov redistricted all region of Eritrea with neutral names after Eritrea’s independence like northern southern western eastern Eritrea to overcome feudal and tribal identities in Eritrea
Thats exists in other East African countries like in Eritrea Djibouti and Sudan.
For example among the Eritrean Cushitic’s tribes like Afar and Sahos there are different subgroups. Sahos have Minifre Assaworta and others and among Bejas there the Hadendowa Hidarib and Beni Amer. Many of those clans came together by one language.(Tribal Federation)
Among Tigrinya speakers in Eritrea there are also southern Tigrinyas Seraye central Tigrinya Hamasien and south eastern Akele Guzai and they had beef in the past as well. Among the Tigres you have ethnic Tigres and Tigre who were originally Ethnic Bejas and Beni Amers but just assimilated to the Tigre tribe.
But those tensions were resolved. The Eritrean gov redistricted all region of Eritrea with neutral names after Eritrea’s independence like northern southern western eastern Eritrea to overcome feudal and tribal identities in Eritrea
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Somalis are nomadic pastrolist society and it tends to have tribes and clans structure. Just for examples Arab, Turkic and Mongolian people are tribal and are nomadic pastrolist. Plus in nomadic pastoralist there is no central government or power structure so each clan acted and operate like country. Even Mongolian had no central power until Genghis Khan united them, and conquered all the way to Europe, and last for 162 yrs.
Oromo, Afar, Beja, Sidamo, Mongols, Turks, Persians, Kurds, Pashtuns, Tajiks, Assryains, Dinka, Nuer, Massai, Koreans, and the Japanese (to some extent through the Zaibastu system).
Japanese only families that related to the royal family have clans and rest of Japanese are without clan. Less that 0.001 of Japan population have clans and the rest were peasants like farmers.
Yeah you’re spitting. Japan is like if Somalia was majority madhiban they’re a outlier in clan societies
All Cushites at some point, and all Afro asiatic people. Nomadic societies are more brutal though, We’re closer to Mongolians than other Cushites
The same as European nobility, Korea was the same, warrior spirit of any clan in Somalia wouldn't allow such a thing to occur to them.
In the past Scots and Serbs.
The state being nobles in medieval Europe, even in the modern era, you'll have the same families running for the same offices, just look at America.
Siad Barre made the previous ultranationalist Somalis disillusioned with the state, the government and the Armed Forces in a geopolitical setting were dropping the ball would result in your enemies kicking the same ball out of the stadium. Afwerki really needs to initiate plans for a proper successor in Eritrea to prevent a power vacuum upon his death.
Countries like Eritrea, North Korea and Iran can’t afford even a single year of civil-war, as that situation would be exploited to the point that it would no longer resemble a civil-war but a hi-jacked internationally fuelled conflict like Somalia, Syria, Libya, etc.
Clans are still pretty significant in some of the most developed countries in the real like South Korea. The Sunheung An have held many positions in society from the political scene to the entertainment scene with idol group members & actors despite only numbering around 400k.
All Korean last names are a nisbah to their clan founder as well. For example Kim Jong Un belongs to the Jeonju Kim clan. His ancestor is buried here in South Western SK
It’s just horrible losing your clan identity
seldiboy
Resident Eritrean | Ye's strongest soldier
I think Afwerki probably does have a successor but civil war seems unlikely to be frank. The way that the state is set up means that the military has a monopoly on power and it’s a pretty cosmopolitan and nationalist institution.
Eritrean society is pretty deracinated and it’s a bit odd to talk about ethnicity there (which I imagine would be the key vector of conflict in the event of a civil war). The two groups with ethnic hegemony (Biher-Tigrinya and Tigre) are also very committed to the existence of a civic nationalist Eritrean state. In the event of a power vacuum, I think the more glaring issue would be what moves Ethiopia makes to swoop in and do damage in a brief moment of weakness.
I think it’s also important to note that since 2012, every Eritrean man under the age of 60 has been conscripted into zonal militias (like a Maoist People’s Army) and armed with a Kalashnikov. If there was appetite for a civil war, we probably would have seen it already
seldiboy
Resident Eritrean | Ye's strongest soldier
Yeah it’s important to love and cherish your history, but also important to not let it get in the way of maintaining a functional state. It’s a balancing act at the end of the day
Do Tigre or taigriny have clans system?
seldiboy
Resident Eritrean | Ye's strongest soldier
Tigre have clans (Habab, Bet Asghede, Bet Maryam, Mensaah, Semhar etc).
Tigrinya generally identified by province historically (“awraja”) so things like Akkele Guzay, Seraye, Hammasien. There were proper clans (the Tsenadegle come to mind) but these have kind of faded into obscurity now as people move out of the country (“hagereseb”) and urbanise. The government also did a lot at the dawn of independence to quell any sort of clan beefs.
^ In the video above is the reconciliation between the Tsenadegle (Tigrinya clan in Akkele Guzay who live around the town of Segeneyti) and the Tora (a Saho clan who live in the same area). It was essentially the end of an 80 year blood feud between these two clans that started over a grazing land dispute during the Italian colonial period. When the Derg and “militia sernay” (people who worked for the Derg in exchange for wheat) were running rampant in Segeneyti and massacring Eritreans, these two clans still found the time to kill each other. The fact that every major politician in Eritrea at the time including President Isaias was there for the occasion shows how momentous it was to maintaining the peace
Everyone had clans at one point. Europe was dominated by clans, even in Rome. It was the Catholic church which was a central authority that destroyed the clans in Europe which led to things like rise of capitalism as people didn't just work with their clans but anyone. Business wasn't based on familial ties.
Same with China clans, Korea and Japan had the strongest clan system and Japan went through military Dictatorship called shogun and a bunch of warring clans that fought each other until Europeans came to Japan and forced them to sign Unfair treaties that looted thier resources. The japanese realised if they didn't change they'd get colonised like thier Asian neighbours so Japan brought back the emperor in the imperial restoration in 1860s which slowly destroyed the clan system and Japan became a centralised modern state instead of a bunch of clans managing their plot of land. Japan went from 1600s technology to becoming word class empire that beat Russia in just 50 years.
The Madhibaan & Japan’s clanless peasantry & Merchant classes are not synonymous. One group is considered almost “untouchable” & others are just regular folks who have no aristocratic ties.
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