What is Liberalism?

[Omar del Sur]

What is Liberalism?

What exactly is it?

Liberalism is kind of baffling to me because what exactly is it based on?

Liberalism is a very influential thing. What exactly is liberalism and how should we understand it?

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Lets ask high priest of liberalism @AussieHustler

 

[AussieHustler]

Ask Sheikh Google.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Ask Sheikh Google.

I already asked Google.


lib·er·al·ism
/ˈlib(ə)rəˌlizəm/
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noun

1. the holding of liberal views.
   "one of the basic tenets of liberalism is tolerance"

the example of liberalism used in the sentence is kind of strange. I think one of the basic tenets of liberalism appears to be becoming extremely belligerent with people who disagree with you.

 

[AussieHustler]

I already asked Google.


lib·er·al·ism
/ˈlib(ə)rəˌlizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun

1. the holding of liberal views.
   "one of the basic tenets of liberalism is tolerance"

the example of liberalism used in the sentence is kind of strange. I think one of the basic tenets of liberalism appears to be becoming extremely belligerent with people who disagree with you.

@Omar del Sur

That’s like a non-Muslim reading the Fatiha of the Koran and making judgements on the whole book.

Read more.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Omar del Sur

That’s like a non-Muslim reading the Fatiha of the Koran and making judgements on the whole book.

Read more.

I have read more. I simply was responding to what you said about Google. You said ask Google so I simply showed what Google said.

It's not like Surah Al Fatiha. Liberalism doesn't have a Quran.

Why don't you give your take on what is liberalism?

 

[AussieHustler]

I have read more. I simply was responding to what you said about Google. You said ask Google so I simply showed what Google said.

It's not like Surah Al Fatiha. Liberalism doesn't have a Quran.

Why don't you give your take on what is liberalism?

@Omar del Sur

Without delving further into its historical context and getting confused to the wide array of differing opinions expressed by different schools in classical and modern liberalism, let’s simplify this concept to Liberal Democracies and that itself is very complex, but it will suffice to what most here believe of the concept. So you dislike the freedoms and rights enshrined in Liberalism (though you sought asylum or wish to live among the believers of the ideology) because of your faith. You don’t like people like the (lgbt) to enjoy such freedoms enshrined in liberalism and be treated equally and yet, you expect under Liberalism, Muslims should be treated equally, with respect and be tolerated. Gartay.

What about the economic side of Liberalism?

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Omar del Sur

Without delving further into its historical context and getting confused to the wide array of differing opinions expressed by different schools in classical and modern liberalism, let’s simplify this concept to Liberal Democracies and that itself is very complex, but it will suffice to what most here believe of the concept. So you dislike the freedoms and rights enshrined in Liberalism (though you sought asylum or wish to live among the believers of the ideology) because of your faith. You don’t like people like the (lgbt) to enjoy such freedoms enshrined in liberalism and be treated equally and yet, you expect under Liberalism, Muslims should be treated equally, with respect and be tolerated. Gartay.

What about the economic side of Liberalism?

Lets ask high priest of liberalism @AussieHustler

I can understand why you called on Aussie but I think it was clearly a bad idea.

I can understand why you would think it makes sense- with normal people it would make sense.

With a Muslim, you can ask "what is Islam?" and the Muslim will be happy to calmly explain to you the basics of Islam.

With a Christian, you can ask "what is Christianity?" and the Christian will be happy to calmly explain to you the basics of Christianity.

With a conservative, you can ask "what is conservatism?" and the conservative will be happy to calmly explain to you the basics of conservatism (or at least try).

We ask our local liberal "what is liberalism" and he ignores the question and goes on some random anti-Muslim rant.

It's like trying to have an intellectual discussion with a barking dog. The dog just barks, barks, barks. The dog isn't interested in an intellectual discussion, the dog just wants to bark.

You can't get anywhere asking a dog "what is a dog?". The dog just barks.

The question therefore can't be answered by the liberals. The liberal will either be belligerent or give you some kind of propaganda response ("liberalism is respect for freedom, you bigot!"). They're not interested in things like objective truth or giving a straight answer.

 

[Tukraq]

I can understand why you called on Aussie but I think it was clearly a bad idea.

I can understand why you would think it makes sense- with normal people it would make sense.

With a Muslim, you can ask "what is Islam?" and the Muslim will be happy to calmly explain to you the basics of Islam.

With a Christian, you can ask "what is Christianity?" and the Christian will be happy to calmly explain to you the basics of Christianity.

With a conservative, you can ask "what is conservatism?" and the conservative will be happy to calmly explain to you the basics of conservatism (or at least try).

We ask our local liberal "what is liberalism" and he ignores the question and goes on some random anti-Muslim rant.

It's like trying to have an intellectual discussion with a barking dog. The dog just barks, barks, barks. The dog isn't interested in an intellectual discussion, the dog just wants to bark.

You can't get anywhere asking a dog "what is a dog?". The dog just barks.

The question therefore can't be answered by the liberals. The liberal will either be belligerent or give you some kind of propaganda response ("liberalism is respect for freedom, you bigot!"). They're not interested in things like objective truth or giving a straight answer.

liberalism isn't a religion, you can be a muslim and liberal, its more about political stances on things like immigration, freedom, healthcare and what not

 

[Omar del Sur]

liberalism isn't a religion, you can be a muslim and liberal, its more about political stances on things like immigration, freedom, healthcare and what not

What is liberalism?

 

[Tukraq]

What is liberalism?

freedom in a political sense

 

[AussieHustler]

@Omar del Sur

Sxb, your assumption of liberalism was intended to be an attack on persons who believe in the ideology and I expanded on it while rebuking you. Check my answers and let’s carry on from there.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Omar del Sur

Sxb, your assumption of liberalism was intended to be an attack on persons who believe in the ideology and I expanded on it while rebuking you. Check my answers and let’s carry on from there.

There was no attack. I just asked "what is liberalism" and as liberals do you behaved in a way and continue to behave in a way that is mindlessly belligerent towards anyone who thinks differently.

You are not interested in giving a straight answer or simply answering the question. You have not answered the question nor do I expect you to, you are simply interested in attacking me due to me not having your beliefs, you're not interested in any real sort of intellectual discussion. There's no point in expecting you to answer the question. If someone is able to give a coherent explanation of what liberalism is, I doubt it will be you.

 

[AussieHustler]

freedom in a political sense

@Omar del Sur

To understand the need for liberalism, look at how Europe was politically organised at that era and then, you will understand the rights and freedoms that are associated with liberalism. Don’t bring contemporary world problems when you read it. Be open minded.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Omar del Sur

To understand the need for liberalism, look at how Europe was politically organised at that era and then, you will understand the rights and freedoms that are associated with liberalism. Don’t bring contemporary world problems when you read it. Be open minded.

Again, you don't answer the question- in this instance it's a propaganda response. "Study this and you'll understand the need"- there's no interest in simply giving an objective, straight response.

"Be open minded". We have a slogan- not any actual, real response.

Further, there are tons of people who study pre-"Enlightenment" Europe who don't arrive at liberal conclusions. Studying pre-"Enlightenment" Europe does not presuppose arriving at liberal conclusions. There are and were plenty of people who opposed the so-called "Enlightenment" and I am one of them.

 

[Tukraq]

@Omar del Sur

To understand the need for liberalism, look at how Europe was politically organised at that era and then, you will understand the rights and freedoms that are associated with liberalism. Don’t bring contemporary world problems when you read it. Be open minded.

I thought it was an American concept? europeans were in monarchies up until like 100 or so years ago, unless your talking all the way back in greek times

 

[Tukraq]

Again, you don't answer the question- in this instance it's a propaganda response. "Study this and you'll understand the need"- there's no interest in simply giving an objective, straight response.

"Be open minded". We have a slogan- not any actual, real response.

well yeah you didn't respond to the answer, political freedom, from the root word libra

 

[Omar del Sur]

To be fair, even Immanuel Kant engaged in the behavior I talked about when I said liberals will engage in propagandistic (loaded, to be more precise) responses to the question. Here is Kant's explanation of the alleged "Enlightenment":

"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."

somehow what Kant described in his fancy rhetoric translates to this:

Despite public outcry, mainstream media ignore dad losing battle over 7-yr-old’s ‘transition’

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/m...yr-olds-transition-despite-huge-public-outcry

I know some will claim something like this (I don't really know how to talk like a liberal but I intend to try- bear with me):

"wow Omar you're really stupid. you dumb religious fanatic, don't you know classical liberalism is completely different than today's liberalism? there is no connection between the liberalism of Kant's day and the liberalism of today"

however, I don't believe that is true at all.......

the classical liberalism in some bizarre way.... whatever this "liberalism" entity is....... it set the stage for transgender 7-year-olds

there is a line leading from that stage of liberalism to the current stage.... what we're seeing now is merely a more advanced stage of liberalism... there is a continuity, there is a line......

"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."

clearly someone is using their own understanding in the aforementioned case.... it isn't the dad but it's someone using their own, bizarre understanding..... the same underlying principles as then are simply being carried to their logical conclusions

 

[Omar del Sur]

freedom in a political sense

this is a vague propaganda definition, as I mentioned earlier:

"The question therefore can't be answered by the liberals. The liberal will either be belligerent or give you some kind of propaganda response ("liberalism is respect for freedom, you bigot!"). They're not interested in things like objective truth or giving a straight answer."

 

[Omar del Sur]

well yeah you didn't respond to the answer, political freedom, from the root word libra

I don't think the given definition translates to this:


Despite public outcry, mainstream media ignore dad losing battle over 7-yr-old’s ‘transition’

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/m...yr-olds-transition-despite-huge-public-outcry

if you met a group of Martians and told them "liberalism means political freedom," I don't think that's what they would imagine