PHILOSOPHY What is the best political philosophy?

[Apollo]

Discuss and vote. If you can't decide on one, pick the two closest to you.

I listed the main relevant ones or the ones applicable to Somalis.

 

[Zenith]

I picked Islamic Democracy since I don't want to get takfir'd by another user



However I do feel like PRC Style communism would be most successful in Somalia in our current condition. Give Somali's too much freedom and they start losing their mind & everything turns into anarchy.

 

[Apollo]

I picked Islamic Democracy since I don't want to get takfir'd by a another user



However I do feel like PRC Style communism would be most successful in Somalia in our current condition. Give Somali's too much freedom and they start losing their mind & everything turns into anarchy.

Islamic Democracy is a pun on Christian Democracy which exists in many European countries. It is essentially a centrist ideology that is guided by religion, but refuses outright theocracy. I am not sure if it exists in the Islamic world, but it is hypothetically possible.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

I like Otto Von Bismarck's style of National Conservatism whereby there's a balancing act between embracing Modernism and also maintaining the Culture/Traditions that define who we are as a people. Not leaning to the extreme forms of thinking, such as Ethno-nationalism or Communism/Socialism.

In a nutshell, my economic belief is that Companies/Businesses should pursue profits, but also serve the National interest & advance the Nation's development. Sort of like Corporatism that was implemented in Meiji Japan & Fascist Italy.

 

[Apollo]

I think Social Democracy is probably the best system for the West and how China runs things probably the best for Somalia. China's CCP isn't really classically communist, but something new altogether.

 

[Prime Minister]

I think a central authority that emphasises on free market capitalism and adopts central planning is the best political philosophy for poor countries and social democracy is better for rich countries. I wouldn't say there's one overall better philosophy I change my answer based on where I lived and the society.

 

[Prime Minister]

I like Otto Von Bismarck's style of National Conservatism whereby there's a balancing act between embracing Modernism and also maintaining the Culture/Traditions that define who we are as a people. Not leaning to the extreme forms of thinking, such as Ethno-nationalism or Communism/Socialism.

In a nutshell, my economic belief is that Companies/Businesses should pursue profits, but also serve the National interest & advance the Nation's development. Sort of like Corporatism that was implemented in Meiji Japan & Fascist Italy.

Neoliberalism?

 

[Nafiso Qalanjo]

Social Democracy + Islamic Democracy

 

[Apollo]

I like Otto Von Bismarck's style of National Conservatism whereby there's a balancing act between embracing Modernism and also maintaining the Culture/Traditions that define who we are as a people. Not leaning to the extreme forms of thinking, such as Ethno-nationalism or Communism/Socialism.

In a nutshell, my economic belief is that Companies/Businesses should pursue profits, but also serve the National interest & advance the Nation's development. Sort of like Corporatism that was implemented in Meiji Japan & Fascist Italy.

Conservatism can't work in Somalia (or the Horn in general) because the area is in need of radical change. Nobody is satisfied with the current situation. You need a secondary back up.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Neoliberalism?

Free-Market Capitalism/Neo-Liberalism only works in Developed countries. I'm in favour of State Capitalism/Corporatism.

 

[Nafiso Qalanjo]

I picked Islamic Democracy since I don't want to get takfir'd by another user



However I do feel like PRC Style communism would be most successful in Somalia in our current condition. Give Somali's too much freedom and they start losing their mind & everything turns into anarchy.

I think Social Democracy is probably the best system for the West and how China runs things probably the best for Somalia. China's CCP isn't really classically communist, but something new altogether.

You all want the Somali government to spy on its citizens?
No freedom of speech, and no free market

 

[Apollo]

Would Erdogan qualify as following 'Islamic Democracy'? Off the top of my head he seems to be the closest to it although he has some nationalist tendencies (very weak ones though).

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Conservatism can't work in Somalia (or the Horn in general) because the area is in need of radical change. Nobody is satisfied with the current situation. You need a secondary back up.

Lmao you've misunderstood, the last thing I'd support is conserving Somalia's current situation. Essentially, I'm a Right-Winger who's in favour of Capitalism and Secularism & would like Somalia to become a Turkey or Russia 2.0[Secular/Socially Liberal to an extent, but very Patriotic/Nationalistic]. In addition, I'd want Somali companies & the Gov't to collaborate with each for economic development and make sure FDI works in our favour.

 

[Zenith]

You all want the Somali government to spy on its citizens?

We can utilize the gossiping habaryars for the regime the infrastructure is already here we might aswell use it



Democracy doesn't work with Somali's someone always feel like they deserve more than they do for that reason authoritarianism is perfect for somalis

 

[Nafiso Qalanjo]

We can utilize the gossiping habaryars for the regime the infrastructure is already here we might aswell use it



Democracy doesn't work with Somali's someone always feel like they deserve more than they do for that reason authoritarianism is perfect for somalis

Democracy work for Somalis in the Diaspora. It can also work for the Somalis back home too. Authoritarianism always leads to power abuse. We seen it in many authoritarian regimes throughout history

 

[Apollo]

No freedom of speech, and no free market

China does have a free market to some extent. It is just heavily planned.
This is controversial, but here is my take.

Somalis need to be under an intelligent/long term vision having form of authoritarianism for some decades, . Perhaps to make it manageable, it should be lead by the smartest people of all clans.

I like how both China and Singapore manage their countries. Their ideologies overlap a lot, but with Singapore being only more liberal but still authoritarian.

 

[Ras]

If only we could have a Confederacy that experimented with all those systems.

Strong statism only worked in Europe & Asia because they had a long history of successful empires near them.

US was a success because of the little control governments had initially but they also were filled with mainly smart and adventurous immigrant descendants.

We don't have neither unfortunately so we'll need to find our own way.

 

[Shimbiris]

I think Social Democracy is probably the best system for the West and how China runs things probably the best for Somalia. China's CCP isn't really classically communist, but something new altogether.

It's just a one-party dictatorship overseeing state-capitalism and with some standard "free-market" capitalism. I generally have a theory that most nations need to be ruled by some form of tyranny while initially developing whether it be a monarchy, an oligarchy of some sort, a hardline dictatorial regime or so forth. You need that initial stability while developing. You can set the masses free and give them their political freedoms once that's over and the country has many stable institutions. Just take into account that most developed countries did not industrialize as democracies and you see what I mean.

But that being said, I think Somalia shouldn't aspire to be like any other modern country. Their models clearly don't work. The levels of physical and mental illness, the household debts, the constant warring between loony political factions and the eventual gutting and decaying of the welfare systems to name just a few issues. The developed world is not a role model worth emulating. Don't let their tall buildings and highways blind you to what's really going on.

I would prefer Somalia become some sort of Technocratic Aggrarianist society with lots of power and food self-sufficient villages, towns and homesteads dotting the country and with urban business dominated mostly by cooperatives that actually benefit the local people with some overall heavy duty automation so that citizens have a lot of free-time to pursue the deen alongside the arts and sciences and whatever else they wish. Too bad the rest of the world would likely never stand for it though.

 

[Win]

What is Islamism?

 

[TheManWhoIsAlive]

Centralized Islamic State Communism at first for development and security.

Then Centralized Islamic State Capitalism for growth, and building a middle class.

Our Islamic political stance has to be clear and firm so radical groups are eradicated from the root. We cannot be soft on opponents of our interpretation of faith and spirituality. That's one thing the war as I see it has made clear.