What was Daraawish Territorial extension?

[awsaleban667]

What was the territorial extension of the daraawiish? I never saw contemporary maps of his age detailing it.

 

[attash]

Their southernmost fort was at Beledweyne and they sent raiding parties as far south as Baydhabo and Aw Dheegle (a bit southwest of Xamar). In the east, they had a fort in Eyl which is on the Indian ocean coast in gobolka Nugaal. Their influence went as far west as Jigjiga. Their northern most fort was at Jiidali (Sanaag), but there were dervish aligned subclans among the Habar Jeclo and Warsangali in the northern coast. They would use their ports to import weapons for the daraawiish.

This map isn't too good, but it gives you a general idea of what their territory looked like

The daraawiish controlled a vast amount of territory inhabited by many clans. One could say that it was the predecessor to Somalia.

 

[Killamenace78]

Their southernmost fort was at Beledweyne and they sent raiding parties as far south as Baydhabo and Aw Dheegle (a bit southwest of Xamar). In the east, they had a fort in Eyl which is on the Indian ocean coast in gobolka Nugaal. Their influence went as far west as Jigjiga. Their northern most fort was at Jiidali (Sanaag), but there were dervish aligned subclans among the Habar Jeclo and Warsangali in the northern coast. They would use their ports to import weapons for the daraawiish.

This map isn't too good, but it gives you a general idea of what their territory looked like

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The daraawiish controlled a vast amount of territory inhabited by many clans. One could say that it was the predecessor to Somalia.

Why were we so divided before getting colonized ?

 

[attash]

Why were we so divided before getting colonized ?

We inhabited a large amount of territory and it seems that no clan was powerful enough to unite all of it.

 

[Laser]

Their southernmost fort was at Beledweyne and they sent raiding parties as far south as Baydhabo and Aw Dheegle (a bit southwest of Xamar). In the east, they had a fort in Eyl which is on the Indian ocean coast in gobolka Nugaal. Their influence went as far west as Jigjiga. Their northern most fort was at Jiidali (Sanaag), but there were dervish aligned subclans among the Habar Jeclo and Warsangali in the northern coast. They would use their ports to import weapons for the daraawiish.

This map isn't too good, but it gives you a general idea of what their territory looked like

View attachment 332518

The daraawiish controlled a vast amount of territory inhabited by many clans. One could say that it was the predecessor to Somalia.

This map is so bad damn

 

[Khaem]

Why were we so divided before getting colonized ?

Somaliweyn Is larger than western Europe. Even countries like Germany, Italy ect only united 20 years before Somalia got invaded.

Not to mention Somaliweyn was attacked on all sides by 4 states. Ethiopians, Anglos, Italy, France. And even with that we managed to create the Dervish state - recognised as thr Somali Emirates by the ottoman caliph in Constantinople.
Until 1922 Somalia was still fighting these 4 states until we finally fell.

 

[Three Moons]

Territorial extent: Greater Somalia and recognised as such by the Ottomans.

Territorial ambition: Islamic East Africa.

(Why would you only acknowledge foreign maps and claims, when these same empires did not control most of what they ‘claimed’ either until the early 1930s?)

 

[Yami]

Why were we so divided before getting colonized ?

Pseudo Jahiliyyah era between the early 17th century to the arrival of europeans due to the collapse of the two prominent islamic authorities in our country the Walashama controlled Adal Sultanate in the north and the joint Mogadishi - Ajuuran Imamate in the south. People turned on their clan alliances for protection which lead to the creation of mini sultanates/chiefdoms such as Gadabuursi kingdom, Majerteen Kingdom, Isaaq Sultanate, Hiraab Imamate, you get the picture.

Only area to survive this was West Galbeed with the Emirate of Harar a direct successor state to Adal ruled by a sharia council they were conquered by Menelik in 1880's.

 

[Khaem]

Pseudo Jahiliyyah era between the early 17th century to the arrival of europeans due to the collapse of the two prominent islamic authorities in our country the Walashama controlled Adal Sultanate in the north and the joint Mogadishi - Ajuuran Imamate in the south. People turned on their clan alliances for protection which lead to the creation of mini sultanates/chiefdoms such as Gadabuursi kingdom, Majerteen Kingdom, Isaaq Sultanate, Hiraab Imamate, you get the picture.

Only area to survive this was West Galbeed with the Emirate of Harar a direct successor state to Adal ruled by a sharia council they were conquered by Menelik in 1880's.

Exact same thing is happening in Somalia today again. Puntland Somaliland and all these small states are just clan sultanates all over again

 

[Khaem]

Only area to survive this was West Galbeed with the Emirate of Harar a direct successor state to Adal ruled by a sharia council they were conquered by Menelik in 181880's.

Another successor state to Adal wad the Aussa Imamnate which was Dir somali but in the early 1800s it was taken over by the Afar Sultan which made it the Aussa Sultanate, this state immediately became a client of the Abyssinians, Ottomans and later got xooged by France.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Another successor state to Adal wad the Aussa Imamnate which was Dir somali but in the early 1800s it was taken over by the Afar Sultan which made it the Aussa Sultanate, this state immediately became a client of the Abyssinians, Ottomans and later got xooged by France.

It was a vassal of the Ottomans not Abyssinia or France. They got conquered by the Italians in 1936.

 

[awsaleban667]

Territorial extent: Greater Somalia and recognised as such by the Ottomans.

Territorial ambition: Islamic East Africa.

(Why would you only acknowledge foreign maps and claims, when these same empires did not control most of what they ‘claimed’ either until the early 1930s?)

Yes you're right, but i mean what did they actually have under their control not just claim. Did they have governors of regions they controlled? Emirs perhaps? I never saw these type of stuff. Only military generals like abshir dhoore appear all the time, were they not organised government with defined territory etc...?

 

[Khaem]

It was a vassal of the Ottomans not Abyssinia or France. They got conquered by the Italians in 1936.

Yes their territory in Djibouti got taken and sold to France.
Aussa wasn't just it's borders in the 1900s

 

[attash]

Yes you're right, but i mean what did they actually have under their control not just claim. Did they have governors of regions they controlled? Emirs perhaps? I never saw these type of stuff. Only military generals like abshir dhoore appear all the time, were they not organised government with defined territory etc...?

Yeah, the dervish government was called the Xarun. It was comprised of generals (Amaanduule), advisors (Khusuusi), and various other positions. It is tough to determine the exact borders of their territory since it was constantly shifting as well as the fact that colonial powers refused to recognize the dervish state since it was based on lands that they claimed.

But you could mark out their territory by looking at the locations of their forts and the lands controlled by subclans that were aligned with the daraawiish. The forts (garesas) that the daraawiish built were administered by governors appointed by the Sayyid, and these governors would also administer the affairs of the lands surrounding these forts. So these forts operated as regional capitals in a way. For example, Ali Meggar was the governor of the Eyl fort, General Cagadhiig was the governor of the Beledweyne forts, and General Ibrahim Boghol was the governor of the Jiidali fort.

 

[Khaem]

 

[Three Moons]

Yes you're right, but i mean what did they actually have under their control not just claim. Did they have governors of regions they controlled? Emirs perhaps? I never saw these type of stuff. Only military generals like abshir dhoore appear all the time, were they not organised government with defined territory etc...?

As @attash pointed out, you can first start with all the fortresses and ports under their control, then add the alliances with various Sultans and Sheikhs, then continue this with their military reach that reached the outskirts of cities and towns such as Harar, Beledweyn, Burao, Berbera, etc and combine this with their trade routes.

This Spanish archaeologist below has already started the foundation of retracing the Dervish State, and with more research of historical sources, the blue parts of the map would stretch a significant part of Greater Somalia.




Also, it’s important to point out that the Dervish were a military power, not a civilian administration. That is something that could only have happened after victory, which they were denied. This is why many of the leaders were commanders (muqaddim), though with the withdrawal of the British and the construction of Taleh, it began to slowly transform into a more permanent kingdom with a single capital and headed by a monarch enjoying international recognition.