When Islam came to Somalia....

[Shushue]

So when it came did we really practice it?

Did we stone adulterers?

Did cut thief’s hand?

I know we went to wars against Christians but did we practice sharia...?

I think what Al Shabaab and Islamic Courts introduced is something entirely knew...

I’ve never heard of medieval Somalia practice sharia...

Yes there was Islamic inheritance , salat, eid etc...

But never the hard stuff.

Is there any written documentation or proof?

Am I wrong?

 

[Kaleel]

If anyone has any references to this I would like to know. I think the cases of thievery and specially adultery were too few to be documented. There's a savage nature to cutting off hands and stoning I don't see Somalis doing particularly when the tribal system is stronger than the religion.

 

[Shushue]

If anyone has any references to this I would like to know. I think the cases of thievery and specially adultery were too few to be documented. There's a savage nature to cutting off hands and stoning I don't see Somalis doing particularly when the tribal system is stronger than the religion.

I agree, my point was that al shabaab were the first to ever do Islamic punishment in our history.

 

[James Dahl]

Historical documents state that Somalis were slow to discard all of their pre-Islamic traditions and many reform movements targeted lingering pre-Islamic practices like worshipping at shrines to Islamic saints (originally Ayaanle magical spirits but this worship was Islamicized to saints but people kept doing it) and magical superstitions and legends.

A lot of folktales feature islamic reformers battling ancient practices, or feature Islamicized versions of pre-Islamic legends. The Baardheere Jamaaca was founded to wipe out Waaqist syncretism that was still very present in Somali islam as late as the 19th century.

In many ways al-Shabaab is the most recent effort to enforce Xanbali Madhhab, which rejects local customs and traditions in favor of a strict and literal interpretation of Quranic law. Somalis have historically practiced a mix of local Xeer custom with Shafici Madhhab. This struggle over the soul of Somalia has been going on for at least 200 years.

 

[Factz]

I will educate you Somalis on how Islam came to Somalia. Let me quote some historical factual sources and I will put references on below.

Islam was introduced in Somalia in the 7th century when the Muslim Arabs fled from the persecution of the Pagan Quraysh tribe. When the Muslims defeated the Pagans, some returned to Arabia, but many decided to stay there and established Muslim communities along the Somali coastline. The local Somalis adopted the Islamic faith well before the faith even took root in its place of origin.

Islam was introduced to the northern Somali coast early on from the Arabian peninsula, shortly after the hijra. Zeila's two-mihrab Masjid al-Qiblatayn dates to the 7th century, and is the oldest mosque in Africa.

In the late 9th century, Al-Yaqubi wrote that Muslims were living along the northern Somali seaboard. He also mentioned that the Adal kingdom had its capital in the city, suggesting that the Adal Sultanate with Zeila as its headquarters dates back to at least the 9th or 10th century. According to I.M. Lewis, the polity was governed by local Somali dynasties, who also ruled over the similarly-established Sultanate of Mogadishu in the littoral Benadir region to the south. Adal's history from this founding period forth would be characterized by a succession of battles with neighbouring Abyssinia.

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Reference 1: "A Country Study: Somalia from The Library of Congress". Retrieved 15 February 2015.

Reference 2: Briggs, Phillip (2012). Somaliland. Bradt Travel Guides. p. 7. ISBN 1841623717.

Reference 3: Fauvelle-Aymar, François-Xavier. "Le port de Zeyla et son arrière-pays au Moyen Âge: Investigations archéologiques et retour aux sources écrites". Livre Islam. Retrieved 23 January 2014.

Reference 4: Lewis, I.M. (1955). Peoples of the Horn of Africa: Somali, Afar and Saho. International African Institute. p. 140.

Reference 5: Encyclopedia Americana, Volume 25. Americana Corporation. 1965. p. 255.

 

[Grant]

Aweys al Baraawe was still sending missionaries to interior southern Somalia after 1880. He was murdered by a competing tariqa in 1909.

http://www.arlaadinet.com/sheick-aweys.html

"The Baghdad saint Sayid Abd Al-Qadir Jeylani who died in AD 1166 founded the Qadiriya tariqa. This was the first order in Islam. Being older and more established, the Qadiriya had a larger membership in Somalia. It also tended to be less puritanical than the other Sufi orders in Somalia. Records indicate that the Qadiriya was established in Harrar before 1508. In Somalia it has long been educational institution devoted to Islamic literacy than propagandist tradition.

The Qadiriya is split into two powerful branches, which reflect the North/South division in Somali society. The north branch was the Zeyli'ia founded by Sheikh Abdulrahman Al-Zeyli' from Disow clan of Digil & Mirifle. And the Southern branch was leaded by Sheick Aweys was the most important leader in southern Somalia.

The Qadiriya seems to have made a transition from just being primarily a Sufi order to that of converting large sections of East Africa to Islam. In 1880, the two leaders Muslim brotherhoods were making progress in East Africa. The larger and more influential was The Uweysia group of the Qadiri order named for its Somali leader.

Sheick Uweys accounted for a considerable expansion of Islam in Tanganyika, Southern Somalia, Eastern Congo (former Zaire), parts of Mozambique and Malawi, the Comoro Islands and Northwest of Madagascar.

Sheikh Aweys made the required Hajj to Mecca and Medina and visited various important saints tombs in the Hijaz and Yemen. After his studies he stopped as the British enclave on Aden and then returned to Somalia 1881. He returned to the coast city of Banadir and become the most important religious in the Southern Somalia, his main settlement was at Biyoley, Tiyeglow where he is buried now, every year more than a million people from East African and Somalia, and Comoro Islands visited his grave.

Sheick Aweys was a man who against the colonialism and trading the black people as slaves, his fought the infidels with a strong word which caused many slaves to became free and converted to Islam, The Germans of Tanganyikan and the Italian was worried the expansion of the Islam in East Africa, Also many Arabian who was trading the slaves in Zanzibar and East Congolese was stopped the trading when the Sheick and his fellows arrived there.

Sheikh Aweys was murdered in 1909 by the soldiers of Mohamed Abdullah Hasan known as (Mad Mullah) for revenge. After he was traveling near Tieglow and later was buried at Biyoley, Tiyeglow."

 

[Factz]

Aweys al Baraawe was still sending missionaries to interior southern Somalia after 1880. He was murdered by a competing tariqa in 1909.

http://www.arlaadinet.com/sheick-aweys.html

"The Baghdad saint Sayid Abd Al-Qadir Jeylani who died in AD 1166 founded the Qadiriya tariqa. This was the first order in Islam. Being older and more established, the Qadiriya had a larger membership in Somalia. It also tended to be less puritanical than the other Sufi orders in Somalia. Records indicate that the Qadiriya was established in Harrar before 1508. In Somalia it has long been educational institution devoted to Islamic literacy than propagandist tradition.

The Qadiriya is split into two powerful branches, which reflect the North/South division in Somali society. The north branch was the Zeyli'ia founded by Sheikh Abdulrahman Al-Zeyli' from Disow clan of Digil & Mirifle. And the Southern branch was leaded by Sheick Aweys was the most important leader in southern Somalia.

The Qadiriya seems to have made a transition from just being primarily a Sufi order to that of converting large sections of East Africa to Islam. In 1880, the two leaders Muslim brotherhoods were making progress in East Africa. The larger and more influential was The Uweysia group of the Qadiri order named for its Somali leader.

Sheick Uweys accounted for a considerable expansion of Islam in Tanganyika, Southern Somalia, Eastern Congo (former Zaire), parts of Mozambique and Malawi, the Comoro Islands and Northwest of Madagascar.

Sheikh Aweys made the required Hajj to Mecca and Medina and visited various important saints tombs in the Hijaz and Yemen. After his studies he stopped as the British enclave on Aden and then returned to Somalia 1881. He returned to the coast city of Banadir and become the most important religious in the Southern Somalia, his main settlement was at Biyoley, Tiyeglow where he is buried now, every year more than a million people from East African and Somalia, and Comoro Islands visited his grave.

Sheick Aweys was a man who against the colonialism and trading the black people as slaves, his fought the infidels with a strong word which caused many slaves to became free and converted to Islam, The Germans of Tanganyikan and the Italian was worried the expansion of the Islam in East Africa, Also many Arabian who was trading the slaves in Zanzibar and East Congolese was stopped the trading when the Sheick and his fellows arrived there.

Sheikh Aweys was murdered in 1909 by the soldiers of Mohamed Abdullah Hasan known as (Mad Mullah) for revenge. After he was traveling near Tieglow and later was buried at Biyoley, Tiyeglow."

Grant, learn the difference between persevering and converting. Both Al-Zayla'i and Al-Baraawi were major Somali sheikhs in their region who helped preserved the true teaching of Islam. They didn't convert anyone. Somalis were already Muslims after the Qureysh were escaping death from the pagan Arabs during the 7th century at the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and the followers of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) sought refuge in Somalia and basically the local Somalis adopted Islam during this event. We've had major Sheikhs even before these two great men during Ajuran and Adal period and even earlier Somali kingdoms that were preserving the true Shafi'i school teachings and every Muslim nations also had these type of Sheikhs and Allah told us that Muslim nations will continue to get major respected Sheikhs to keep preserving the true teachings of Islam and you only mentioned these two in the 19th century. Like there were many others for other Muslim countries and earlier ones in Somalia?

We are talking about how Somalis were converted to Islam, not Somali Sheikhs preserving Islam for their people.

 

[Grant]

Grant, learn the difference between persevering and converting. Both Al-Zayla'i and Al-Baraawi were major Somali sheikhs in their region who helped preserved the true teaching of Islam. They didn't convert anyone. Somalis were already Muslims after the Qureysh were escaping death from the pagan Arabs during the 7th century at the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and the followers of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) sought refuge in Somalia and basically the local Somalis adopted Islam during this event. We've had major Sheikhs even before these two great men during Ajuran and Adal period and even earlier Somali kingdoms that were preserving the true Shafi'i school teachings and every Muslim nations also had these type of Sheikhs and Allah told us that Muslim nations will continue to get major respected Sheikhs to keep preserving the true teachings of Islam and you only mentioned these two in the 19th century. Like there were many others for other Muslim countries and earlier ones in Somalia?

We are talking about how Somalis were converted to Islam, not Somali Sheikhs preserving Islam for their people.

An expansion of Islam is not a preservation of Islam. This is a matter of simple English comprehension. Clearly, all Somalis were not immediately Muslims. Even just the Gaal Madow wars were still going on well into the 17th century.

"The Qadiriya seems to have made a transition from just being primarily a Sufi order to that of converting large sections of East Africa to Islam. In 1880, the two leaders Muslim brotherhoods were making progress in East Africa. The larger and more influential was The Uweysia group of the Qadiri order named for its Somali leader.

Sheick Uweys accounted for a considerable expansion of Islam in Tanganyika, Southern Somalia, Eastern Congo (former Zaire), parts of Mozambique and Malawi, the Comoro Islands and Northwest of Madagascar."

 

[Ahmed Alawi]

Islam was the worst thing to happen to Somalia. It's literally the reason why we have Al-Shabaab roaming around right now. Instead of actually teaching children something useful, we have parents wasting their resources to force their children to memorize endless paragraphs of Arabic scripts in the Qur'an.

We've lost all of our indigenous names, we're all named after a bunch of camel fucking Arabs. Shit, my name is fucking Ahmed.

Not to mention the embarrassment associated with being a Muslim. How can you proudly say you're Muslim after finding out your prophet Muhammad fucked a 9yr old girl according to Sahih- Hadiths?

 

[Factz]

An expansion of Islam is not a preservation of Islam. This is a matter of simple English comprehension.

"The Qadiriya seems to have made a transition from just being primarily a Sufi order to that of converting large sections of East Africa to Islam. In 1880, the two leaders Muslim brotherhoods were making progress in East Africa. The larger and more influential was The Uweysia group of the Qadiri order named for its Somali leader.

Sheick Uweys accounted for a considerable expansion of Islam in Tanganyika, Southern Somalia, Eastern Congo (former Zaire), parts of Mozambique and Malawi, the Comoro Islands and Northwest of Madagascar."

Southern Somalia were already Muslims when Mogadishu Sultanate and the Ajuran Empire ruled it and later its successor states like Geledi Sultanate and Hiraab Imamate.

The last Somalis that never embraced Islam was a tribe called Yibir during the 13th century but they were eventually converted by a very famous Somali saint called Yusuf Bin Ahmed Al-Kawneyn. Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_bin_Ahmad_al-Kawneyn

You have been debunked.

Al-Baraawi was born in Barawa during the Geledi period and helped established the Benadir resistance agaisnt the Italians for 20 years but you need to remember Al-Baraawi only helped preserved Islam in southern Somalia but the rest of East Africa, he spread it. Same thing with Al-Zayla'i who helped preserved the true teachings of Islam up in northern Somalia. Now let's end it that way.

 

[Grant]

The last Somalis that never embraced Islam was a tribe called Yibir during the 13th century but they were convertedd by a very famous Somali saint called Yusuf Bin Ahmed Al-Kawneyn. Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_bin_Ahmad_al-Kawneyn

The Yibir ruled the area around Hargeisa until the northern Somali clans formed in the 12th-13th centuries. Says a lot about the North being Muslim in the 7th century, doesn't it! The Muslims were just in the coastal cities. Read the rest of that article on Aweys. He had to go to Iraq and the Hijaz for his education.

 

[Factz]

The Yibir ruled the area around Hargeisa until the northern Somali clans formed in the 12th-13th centuries. Says a lot about the North being Muslim in the 7th century, doesn't it! The Muslims were just in the coastal cities. Read the rest of that article on Aweys. He had to go to Iraq and the Hijaz for his education.

Northern Somalia is Somalis homeland. Yibir had a kingdom only and they were confined in a town but the rest of northern Somalia and deep into the interior called Hararghe where the Dawaro Sultanate was located and was established by the Jarso clan a sub-clan of Dir in the 10th century which was a Somali Muslim kingdom and still debunks within your statement about the "interior". Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Dawaro

The sources I have clearly showed you says Yibir was the only Somali clan that was never converted to Islam meaning the rest of Somalia were already pure Muslims across the Somali peninsula during the 7th century at the time of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH).

Northern Somalia is Somalis homeland. They did not migrate there and read the authentic source from below.

You have been debunked again.

 

[Grant]

Northern Somalia is Somalis homeland. Yibir had a kingdom only and they were confined in a town but the rest of northern Somalia and deep into the interior called Hararghe where the Dawaro Sultanate was located and was established by the Jarso clan a sub-clan of Dir in the 10th century which was a Somali Muslim kingdom and still debunks within your statement. Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Dawaro

The sources I have clearly showed you says Yibir was the only Somali clan that was never converted to Islam meaning the rest of Somalia were already pure Muslims across the Somali peninsuila during the 7th century at the time of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH).

Northern Somalia is Somalis homeland. They did not migrate there and read the authentic source from below.

You have been debunked again.

No way. Jose. The Qadiria doesn't reach Harar until 1508. The Gaal Madow wars are still going on in the 17th century. Learn some history.

 

[Factz]

No way. Jose. The Qadiria doesn't reach Harar until 1508. The Gaal Madow wars are still going on in the 17th century. Learn some history.

Hararghe regions you dumb historical revisionist not Harar. Stop twisting my words after I refuted your lies. Dawaro Sultanate was a Somali Muslim Sultanate centred in Hararghe mountains which were Jarso clan that is a historical fact. So I'm debunking your lies about the interior when deep interior Somalis were establishing Sultanates, let's not forget the fact that Yibir was the only clan that weren't converted to Islam and I have shown the source. So yes, you've been disproven so now you learn some history.

Harargh regions, not Harar.

 

[Grant]

Hararghe regions you dumb historical revisionist not Harar. Stop twisting my words after I refuted your lies. Dawaro Sultanate was a Somali Muslim Sultanate centred in Hararghe mountains which were Jarso clan that is a historical fact. So I'm debunking your lies about the interior when deep interior Somalis were establishing Sultanates, let's not forget the fact that Yibir was the only clan that weren't converted to Islam and I have shown the source. So yes, you've been disproven so now you learn some history.

Harargh regions, not Harar.

Not even worth a funny. IMO trolls don't belong in the history section.

 

[Factz]

Not even worth a funny. IMO trolls don't belong in the history section.

Well you're showing your true colors after I exposed your ignorance and lies and you can't say anything after I debunked you.

Oromos originated from northern Kenya modern day lake of Turkana until they began their expansion in the 16th century. The Somalis were native and dominant in Hararghe until the Galla expansion.

I know Somali history unlike you. So everything you say, just remember I'm here to educate you.