When Somalia and South Korea were at the same level

[mohammdov]

In 1950, Somalia and South Korea were in the same bad economic situation, and the situation of the two countries continued until 1968, and revolution and development occurred completely in South Korea, and Somalia remained as it is despite some attempts.

 

[GemState]

Korea and Somalia were never, I repeat, never remotely close. You need to look at other index of human development like literacy rate to get a better image. Somalia had a literacy rate of less than 8% by 1970, Korea was at 85%+.

It's very similar to how people say India & China were on par in the 90s just because the per capita income on the World Bank said they're equal. It betrays a lack of deeper understanding.

 

[Lahaine]

Communism ruined our potential.

 

[GeeljireGenius]

Korea and Somalia were never, I repeat, never remotely close. You need to look at other index of human development like literacy rate to get a better image. Somalia had a literacy rate of less than 8% by 1970, Korea was at 85%+.

It's very similar to how people say India & China were on par in the 90s just because the per capita income on the World Bank said they're equal. It betrays a lack of deeper understanding.

Didn't kacaanka have a campaing that raised the literacy rate at alot?

 

[GemState]

Didn't kacaanka have a campaing that raised the literacy rate at alot?

It did, but it was still extremely low afterwards

 

[Three Moons]

It did, but it was still extremely low afterwards

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“Although the Somali literacy campaign was impressive in its accomplishments (in the course of a single year it brought the literacy rate from c. 5 percent to nearly 70 percent), external events (drought and war) deflected its energy”

- Literacy Campaigns in Ethiopia and Somalia: A Comparison - Hoben, Susan J. 1988

Mind you, during the Korean War 78% of Koreans were illiterate and they only made their gains in the 1960s, post-war era and increased / maintained these levels by reinforcing it with mass production of text books and making education available nationwide, not to forget the decades of stability that followed.

Somalia made an impressive leap in the 1970s, but didn’t solidify its educational gains in the 1980s, and by the time of the 1990s many of the educated had already fled, died or were inaccessible for data collection because of the war. However I don’t find that UN estimate plausible, and they don’t share how they came to that figure.

 

[Periplus]

Korea and Somalia were never, I repeat, never remotely close. You need to look at other index of human development like literacy rate to get a better image. Somalia had a literacy rate of less than 8% by 1970, Korea was at 85%+.

It's very similar to how people say India & China were on par in the 90s just because the per capita income on the World Bank said they're equal. It betrays a lack of deeper understanding.

Quick question: How can Somalia’s literacy rate be calculated for 1970 when we didn’t have a written script for Somali then?

 

[Yami]

In 1950, Somalia and South Korea were in the same bad economic situation, and the situation of the two countries continued until 1968, and revolution and development occurred completely in South Korea, and Somalia remained as it is despite some attempts.
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Could’ve gone my whole life without knowing that. Brutal

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Could’ve gone my whole life without knowing that. Brutal

 

[GemState]

“Although the Somali literacy campaign was impressive in its accomplishments (in the course of a single year it brought the literacy rate from c. 5 percent to nearly 70 percent), external events (drought and war) deflected its energy”

- Literacy Campaigns in Ethiopia and Somalia: A Comparison - Hoben, Susan J. 1988

Mind you, during the Korean War 78% of Koreans were illiterate and they only made their gains in the 1960s, post-war era and increased / maintained these levels by reinforcing it with mass production of text books and making education available nationwide, not to forget the decades of stability that followed.

Somalia made an impressive leap in the 1970s, but didn’t solidify its educational gains in the 1980s, and by the time of the 1990s many of the educated had already fled, died or were inaccessible for data collection because of the war. However I don’t find that UN estimate plausible, and they don’t share how they came to that figure.

Somalia's literacy rate today isn't even 70%, forget about in 1988

Quick question: How can Somalia’s literacy rate be calculated for 1970 when we didn’t have a written script for Somali then?

We did. It wasn't standardized, but some people obviously were literate in it. A melange of various somali scripts/italian/arabic probably.

 

[Periplus]

We did. It wasn't standardized, but some people obviously were literate in it. A melange of various somali scripts/italian/arabic probably.

That doesn’t make sense tho.

If they included the Arabic script as part of the literacy stats, wouldn’t everyone that is able to read the Quran be classified as literate.

I think that percentage is calculated of those who could read and write either Italian or English.

 

[Three Moons]

Somalia's literacy rate today isn't even 70%, forget about in 1988.

Her study was released in 1988, however increasing the literate population with an extra 1.7 million people (when your total population at the time, including toddlers and elderly, was 3 to 4 million) is no small feat, especially when you consider that it was done by our own bootstraps. Somalia first asked assistance from UNESCO, and they replied “we can’t help you its too costly” only to start a parallel literacy campaign in Benin, which failed, but the Bar ama Baro campaign of Somalia was a resounding success, and was covered by the international press.

Also, if a researcher in 88 couldn’t access or find records on retained literacy, I don’t see how the UN could make such a claim a few years later, even today without a solid statistics bureau in place a lot of the data on Somalia is just a wet finger in the air type of guess work.

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The real tragedy is that Somalia never got the chance to implement a planned 3rd stage of the campaign that would have erased illiteracy even amongst the nomads, but droughts and the 77’ war became greater priorities, until the 3rd stage was forgotten.

I also doubt such a massive undertaking could be replicated today. It was like a military campaign with trucks, buses and vehicles from the Somali Armed Forces deploying 100,000 educators across the country. Truly a stunning example of what we can do as a united people;

 

[canjeeroiyoshah]

Her study was released in 1988, however increasing the literate population with an extra 1.7 million people (when your total population at the time, including toddlers and elderly, was 3 to 4 million) is no small feat, especially when you consider that it was done by our own bootstraps. Somalia first asked assistance from UNESCO, and they replied “we can’t help you its too costly” only to start a parallel literacy campaign in Benin, which failed, but the Bar ama Baro campaign of Somalia was a resounding success, and was covered by the international press.

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Also, if a researcher in 88 couldn’t access or find records on retained literacy, I don’t see how the UN could make such a claim a few years later, even today without a solid statistics bureau in place a lot of the data on Somalia is just a wet finger in the air type of guess work.

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Interdisciplinary Approaches to the Future of Africa and Policy Development - 224

The real tragedy is that Somalia never got the chance to implement a planned 3rd stage of the campaign that would have erased illiteracy even amongst the nomads, but droughts and the 77’ war became greater priorities, until the 3rd stage was forgotten.

I also doubt such a massive undertaking could be replicated today. It was like a military campaign with trucks, buses and vehicles from the Somali Armed Forces deploying 100,000 educators across the country. Truly a stunning example of what we can do as a united people;

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We had dignity, just look at them wallahi beautiful.

 

[mohammdov]

Her study was released in 1988, however increasing the literate population with an extra 1.7 million people (when your total population at the time, including toddlers and elderly, was 3 to 4 million) is no small feat, especially when you consider that it was done by our own bootstraps. Somalia first asked assistance from UNESCO, and they replied “we can’t help you its too costly” only to start a parallel literacy campaign in Benin, which failed, but the Bar ama Baro campaign of Somalia was a resounding success, and was covered by the international press.

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Also, if a researcher in 88 couldn’t access or find records on retained literacy, I don’t see how the UN could make such a claim a few years later, even today without a solid statistics bureau in place a lot of the data on Somalia is just a wet finger in the air type of guess work.

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Interdisciplinary Approaches to the Future of Africa and Policy Development - 224

The real tragedy is that Somalia never got the chance to implement a planned 3rd stage of the campaign that would have erased illiteracy even amongst the nomads, but droughts and the 77’ war became greater priorities, until the 3rd stage was forgotten.

I also doubt such a massive undertaking could be replicated today. It was like a military campaign with trucks, buses and vehicles from the Somali Armed Forces deploying 100,000 educators across the country. Truly a stunning example of what we can do as a united people;

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My father was a teacher in those days and participated in the campaign