Who was/is your favorite political leader of all time?

[Geeljire]

My favorite political leader of all time is Lee Kuan Yew. This guy was such a pragmatic realist hands down the best leader of the 20th century. He took Singapore from a poor port city into a buzzling rich metropolis.


Here is him like he always to do setting these ethnocentric westerners in their place.

@McD30 @Amun @Odeg @Bahal @Land of Punt @AbdiJohnson

 

[Apollo]

For the West, I'd say: Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, Bill Clinton, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Charles de Gaulle, Helmut Kohl, and Angela Merkel.

 

[Geeljire]

For the West, I'd say: Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, Bill Clinton, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Charles de Gaulle, Helmut Kohl, and Angela Merkel.

Ronald Reagan had the best speeches
This speech is why liberal democrats are claiming him even tho he calls them out.

Too bad republicans nowadays have dumbos like Ben Carlson and Donald Trump running.

 

[Hubble]

I wish we had a leader as intelligent and humble as him @Geeljire . Sigh. One day.

 

[Geeljire]

I wish we had a leader as intelligent and humble as him @Geeljire . Sigh. One day.

This guy i have such admiration for . Top quality leader how he stood up to bigger neigbhoring countries Malaysia & Indonesia wanting to annex little singapore and at the same time putting the west in their place with their cultural imperialism. How he preached for ''Asian Values'' and constructed a democratic system fit for his countries societal/social structure. He made singapore a self sufffiecient country.

I saw how the British functioned and this time i watched them with new eyes, I saw no reason why they should be governing me; they're not superior. I decided when I got back, I was going to put an end to this." _ Lee Kuan Yew

"I have never been overconcerned or obsessed with opinion polls or popularity polls. I think a leader who is, is a weak leader. If you are concerned with whether your rating will go up or down, then you are not a leader. You are just catching the wind ... you will go where the wind is blowing. And that's not what I am in this for." -- Lee Kuan Yew

 

[Apollo]

Djibouti really should look at Singapore as a model. Their country is similarly small and easy to manage and both are located at a crucial international shipping choke point.

For larger and more complex countries (Ethiopia, Somalia etc) the Singapore model will not be easy to replicate.

 

[Hubble]

A man with a real plan, indha furan, maskax shaqeeya, self respect and no borrowed ideology forced on everyone oh and no paranoia and emotional mudslinging when pushed by gaalo.

 

[Geeljire]

Djibouti really should look at Singapore as a model. Their country is similarly small and easy to manage and both are located a crucial international shipping choke point.

For larger and more complex countries (Ethiopia, Somalia etc) the Singapore model will not be easy to replicate.

Yes djibouti can really learn a thing or to from Singapore. Plus the country is multicultural as well with Afar,Yemeni and Ethiopians being in the mix .

But for Somalia i don't think they should aspire the replicate singapore model but rather the attitude of being very Somalicentric and values of being protective of your countries sovereignity and self suffieciency. Building a democracy that takes into account the social structure of Somalia where i dont think centralized governance will work.

Especially making a new system based on xeer ethics.

1) Its mechanism of concesus building;
2) Its rule of parity and mode of representation,which faciliitate the integration and empowernment of all member groups;
3) Its democratic processes of decision-making, which allow the expression of all opinions before binding decision are reached;
4) Its mode of selection of the leadershop, which privileges integrity and knowledge over heredity,money and power.
5) Its rules for power-sharing between different institutions;
6) Its symbolic representation of authority and unity through the valorisation of minority groups;
7) Its system of civic education to prepare the young for their roles as citizens;
8) Its way of using mythology and religious beliefs to legitimise the system and encourage respect for the rule of law


If our leadership was less corrupt they way that singapores leadership and served us under the Somali namewe would be doing far better

 

[Apollo]

no borrowed ideology forced on everyone

Singapore's ruling party:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Action_Party

Ideology:
Third Way (Clinton-Blair-Obama type of policies)
Multiracialism
Conservatism
Meritocracy
Secularism

Nothing unique really. They copied Western ideologies and customized it for Southeast Asia.

 

[Hubble]

All those are Western terms for basic ideas that everyone is capable of relating to and aspiring towards, and might be sensible for a country of its size and demographics. I'm talking about not copying models dictated by donor countries like a lot of failure leaders did/do.

 

[Geeljire]

Singapore's ruling party:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Action_Party

Ideology:
Third Way (Clinton-Blair-Obama type of policies)
Multiracialism
Conservatism
Meritocracy
Secularism

Nothing unique really. They copied Western ideologies and customized it for Southeast Asia.

Oh please he did not create western style democracy. This very contested.
http://swarajyamag.com/politics/why-lee-kuan-yew-believed-democracy-was-a-drag

Singapore was on the right track. rejecting western-style democracy.

Also the fact that he pushed for Asian values not Western Values.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_values

Singapore claim the concept helped reconcile Islam, Confucianism and Hinduism and was unifying because it was different to the philosophy of the West.

Ideology:

• Predisposition towards one-party authoritarian government
• Preference for social harmony
• Concern with socio-economic prosperity and the collective well-being of the community
• Loyalty and respect towards figures of authority
• Preference for collectivism and communitarianism

 

[Apollo]

True Secularism is a Western product. It never really arose on its own in Asia. The only thing strictly Asian about the PAP is Meritocracy which has a long history among the Chinese.

Singapore's Law System is also very much based on British Law, just with some minor tweaks.

 

[Geeljire]

True Secularism is a Western product. It never really arose on its own in Asia. The only thing strictly Asian about the PAP is Meritocracy which has a long history among the Chinese.

Singapore's Law System is also very much based on British Law, just with some minor tweaks.

It is more or less meritocracy then a democracy which is based on their asian values which is what i was pointing at. I think that came more from the Meritocratic side and adopting it as a need . So i don't see how adopting useful systems and methods from other culture is wrong, but it doesnt mean you should adopt their values. Lets be clear they inherited an immigrant multi racial multi cultural society.

Singapore law, which has its roots in English law, has now evolved into a distinctive jurisprudence. It continues to absorb and modify the common law as well as best practices from other mature legal systems.

http://www.singaporelaw.sg/sglaw/

Lets be honest if singapore followed a western style democracy they would be in chaos like many analysts say. It would not be the functioning society it is today.

 

[Apollo]

Singapore is basically like the Tory party (UK) with dictatorial powers. It isn't that unique.

Applying it to Somalis will be next to impossible due to the clannish nature of Somalis and their inability to accept true secular rational rule. Whoever will try to implement a Singaporean system in Somalia will be called an infidel and displaced by religious lunatics appealing to religion and clan.

 

[Geeljire]

Singapore is basically like the Tory party (UK) with dictatorial powers. It isn't that unique.

Applying it to Somalis will be next to impossible due to the clannish nature of Somalis and their inability to accept true secular rational rule. Whoever will try to implement a Singaporean system in Somalia will be called an infidel and displaced by religious lunatics appealing to religion and clan.

Thats why i think Somalis need to find a system of their own or adopt something that better suits them and their social structure. I already agreed on the point of seperating clan and religion from politics and giving them seperate institutions of their own.

 

[Adam]

My tuulo politician

 

[Geeljire]

My tuulo politician

More like my favorite warlord. I think i should make a topic about that instead.

 

[Bahal]

 

[Geeljire]

Who the hell is he?

 

[Bahal]

Otto von Bismarck