Tbh islam doesn't really prevent you from being conquered. Technically the british colonised us and used airplanes to bomb us.
Why didnt somalis get conquered like oromos, afars?
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It's not our fault sxb! they would curse our fathers that first failed because how can the sheep be led home if the shephard is drunk.Our forefathers saved us countless times from the invasion of the abyssinians. When we meet our Muslim forefathers in the barzakh(the barrier between the physical and spiritual worlds) they would disparage us if we tell them of our current situation.
Invading armies used to operate by eating of the land.
I think the lack of farms other than in the Ajuuran sultanate heartland made it much harder for any expansion into Somali land.
They would've had to hold supply lines hundreds of miles long which just meant free food for our marauding nomads.
I think the lack of farms other than in the Ajuuran sultanate heartland made it much harder for any expansion into Somali land.
They would've had to hold supply lines hundreds of miles long which just meant free food for our marauding nomads.
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Look at this hadith on the Romans
Amr ibn Al-As reported: The Quraish importer said to him that he heard the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, say, “The Hour will be established and the Romans will be a majority of the people.” Amr said, “Be careful what you say.” The man said, “I have said what I heard from the Messenger of Allah.” Amr said, “If the Prophet said that, indeed, there are four qualities in them: they are the most judicious of people during a tribulation, they are the quickest to recover after a calamity, they are the quickest to return to battle after a retreat, and they behave well with the poor and weak. Their fifth quality is good and beautiful: they are best at preventing the oppression of their kings.”
The reason why we never maintained and built upon our civilisation until we reached the likes of european ones, is that we divided ourselves when the enemy came, we generally don't rebuild after disasters and strike back like Romans do and we made our history oral and never wrote down our mistakes and achievements. Oral history is bad in so many ways since it does not inspire the youth and drive them to build on the previous recorded successes nor does it allow them to ponder on the mistakes made in the past so as not to incur the wrath of history again.Somalis used to be very proud back in the day. We're unfortunate to live in the worse times as Somalis with our so called leaders acting as vessels to amxaar and bantus
Look at this hadith on the Romans
Amr ibn Al-As reported: The Quraish importer said to him that he heard the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, say, “The Hour will be established and the Romans will be a majority of the people.” Amr said, “Be careful what you say.” The man said, “I have said what I heard from the Messenger of Allah.” Amr said, “If the Prophet said that, indeed, there are four qualities in them: they are the most judicious of people during a tribulation, they are the quickest to recover after a calamity, they are the quickest to return to battle after a retreat, and they behave well with the poor and weak. Their fifth quality is good and beautiful: they are best at preventing the oppression of their kings.”
Eastern Oromos were never part of the Abbisinyan empire. We never united with the Habesha.
Yeah north-west/central Oromos were part of the empire and killed and tried taking you lands, but they did the same to us. We’ve always rejected their rule. It’s not fair to put all Oromos in that category. It’s more complicated then that.
So what you're trying to say that you 'eastern' Oromos were basically the wall preventing the Habesha & their north-west/central oromo foot soldiers from subjugating Somalis. So had you guys been out of the way, the Xabash empire and their oromo minions would be able to attack the 'Galbeed' area before the British handed Ethiopia this Area in 1954/58. That's what your trying to say right?
IF that is what you're trying to say, then this is the biggest fucking joke of 2019. I thought I'd never hear the day that an OROMO is saying that Somalis would be defeated by a bunch of 5 foot 2 Amxaara maggots and their conquered Oromo footsoldiers, had it not been for his Oromo grandparents from being the 'buffer zone',
Take a hike man. Plus, from my view pint, had your 'eastern' Oromo folk not been in the way, Somalis would be a stone throw away from "Finfinne". Say alhamdulillah that the british 'gifted' your people the Galbeed and that you guys didn't have to lose any male members from your Warre.
So what you're trying to say that you 'eastern' Oromos were basically the wall preventing the Habesha & their north-west/central oromo foot soldiers from subjugating Somalis. So had you guys been out of the way, the Xabash empire and their oromo minions would be able to attack the 'Galbeed' area before the British handed Ethiopia this Area in 1954/58. That's what your trying to say right?
IF that is what you're trying to say, then this is the biggest fucking joke of 2019. I thought I'd never hear the day that an OROMO is saying that Somalis would be defeated by a bunch of 5 foot 2 Amxaara maggots and their conquered Oromo footsoldiers, had it not been for his Oromo grandparents from being the 'buffer zone',
Plus, from my view pint, had your 'eastern' Oromo folk not been in the way, Somalis would be a stone throw away from "Finfinne". Say alhamdulillah that the british 'gifted' your people the Galbeed and that you guys didn't have to lose any male members from your Warre.
Nope, not at all. Not saying they would be able to defeat you, rather they were to occupied with Oromos that they didn’t have time or power for Somalis. It wasn’t easy for them to conquer all of the Oromo lands. It wasn’t until Menilik with the help of traitor Oromos like ras gobena that took control of modern day Ethiopia. They were too busy trying to take our land and control us, they couldn’t afford to come after Somalis.
I disagree. Ethiopia invaded Somali territories over numerous times and they failed. I mean you're forgetting Menelik II an Amhara emperor and with his Oromo generals launched multiple invasions against the Somali Sultanates to expand Ethiopia but all of them came out unsuccessful? For example, they invaded Geledi Sultanate and under Sultan Osman Ahmed, the Ethiopian forces were silently defeated in the battle of Luuq. They invaded Hiraab Imamate in Ferfer and under the leadership of Sheikh Hassan Barsane, the Ethiopian forces were completely demolished during the battle of Gumar Sheel. The Dervish State under Sayyid Mah successfully repelled multiple invasions from the Ethiopian Empire even with the British support.
There is a reason why Ethiopia doesn't control Somalia and the reason why they have the Somali region is because the British gave it to Ethiopia as a tribute for being a Europhile puppet. It is a well known fact the British Empire offered the Somali region to Ethiopia in 1948.
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these battles were before guns were introduced in that region, and physically habeshas, promos, and afar are are physically different from us were these dudes are 5'2 to 5'5 ofcourse ruff geeljires standing over 6'4 and up are going to easily handle them battle after battle, the question is why we didn't conquer them, and I feel the mountionaous terrain saved their lives from both us and European colonizersI disagree. Ethiopia invaded Somali territories over numerous times and they failed. I mean you're forgetting Menelik II an Amhara emperor and with his Oromo generals launched multiple invasions against the Somali Sultanates to expand Ethiopia but all of them came out unsuccessful? For example, they invaded Geledi Sultanate and under Sultan Osman Ahmed, the Ethiopian forces were silently defeated in the battle of Luuq. They invaded Hiraab Imamate in Ferfer and under the leadership of Sheikh Hassan Barsane, the Ethiopian forces were completely demolished during the battle of Gumar Sheel. The Dervish State under Sayyid Mah successfully repelled multiple invasions from the Ethiopian Empire even with the British support.
There is a reason why Ethiopia doesn't control Somalia and the reason why they have the Somali region is because the British gave it Ethiopia as a tribute for being a Europhile puppet. The Somali region was simply given to Ethiopia in the 1948 by the British Empire.
however even the Eritreans who are just slightly taller were able to defeat them outnumbered just recently
these battles were before guns were introduced in that region, and physically habeshas, promos, and afar are are physically different from us were these dudes are 5'2 to 5'5 ofcourse ruff geeljires standing over 6'4 and up are going to easily handle them battle after battle, the question is why we didn't conquer them, and I feel the mountionaous terrain saved their lives from both us and European colonizers
Don't forget we were crushing the whole Ethiopia in 1977 until the Soviet Union and their communist allies like Cuba and Yemen rescued them from getting conquered by Somalis. I heard we were very near in capturing their capital, Addis Ababa.
Semi arid land. Though it takes too much resources and time to re-green land in this state.
It will take massive forestation projects and resource management, that's self sacrifice for the future do you think Somalis think that much ahead? Everyone is out for themselves. I wish the best for the future generations
I found these two clips about big battles from the end of 19th century where Habashis were defeated by Somalis. One is from New York Times and 2nd one from A TRIP TO HARAR AND IME by Captain H. G. C. SWAYNE, 1893.
It's a great loss that we were an oral society because a lot of our history is lost or we only have some general information here and there. Just imagine having written archives dating back hundreds of years and we could learn details about events, politics and battles that happened in Somali lands.
It's a great loss that we were an oral society because a lot of our history is lost or we only have some general information here and there. Just imagine having written archives dating back hundreds of years and we could learn details about events, politics and battles that happened in Somali lands.
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