Why dont the people in Somalia do a coup?
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ICU was the only legitimate government of Southern Somali until it got ousted. Ethiopia's intervention, though initially successful in ousting the ICU, led to unintended consequences. It fueled the rise of Al-Shabaab, The U.S.-backed operation also attracted criticism for causing instability in Somalia which it is still suffering till today.
The U.S provided intelligence, logistics, and financial support to Ethiopia during its 2006 . This was part of broader U.S. counterterrorism efforts in the height of 9/11, where Somalia was identified as a potential front in the global "War on Terror."
Ethiopia shared similar concerns about the ICU, as it feared the rise of an Islamist government in Somalia could embolden domestic insurgent groups.
We got dealt a bad hand, ICU beat the warlords back by the CIA and they escalated and brought Ethiopia into the mix, if the west cared about stability they would of talked to SL or PL before trying to reboot Somalia 2.0 in wartorn Mogadishu.
The U.S provided intelligence, logistics, and financial support to Ethiopia during its 2006 . This was part of broader U.S. counterterrorism efforts in the height of 9/11, where Somalia was identified as a potential front in the global "War on Terror."
Ethiopia shared similar concerns about the ICU, as it feared the rise of an Islamist government in Somalia could embolden domestic insurgent groups.
We got dealt a bad hand, ICU beat the warlords back by the CIA and they escalated and brought Ethiopia into the mix, if the west cared about stability they would of talked to SL or PL before trying to reboot Somalia 2.0 in wartorn Mogadishu.
hayran
Ride The Lightning
"the people" aren't the ones who do coups, you're thinking of a revolution.
revolutions tend to do much worse than coups generally. a true revolution would be something like what happened in russia, where it ended up in the hands of average dudes.
do you really trust the Average Dude in somalia to run your government? the FGS is largely made up of such people already, but they got like 7 or so years of experience ahead of the Average Dude.
revolutions tend to do much worse than coups generally. a true revolution would be something like what happened in russia, where it ended up in the hands of average dudes.
do you really trust the Average Dude in somalia to run your government? the FGS is largely made up of such people already, but they got like 7 or so years of experience ahead of the Average Dude.
There is no unity
Tiyeglow
A Laandheere always pays his debts
Ahh yes 26th January 1991 all over again. Honestly, even saying this is jest makes me irate and I'm probably HSM biggest hater. Point to me even one coup that has been even remotely successful. The trope of a privileged Western Muslim shouting at indigents in their local country will always leave me annoyed and comes off as pure hypocrisy
What we have now is bad, but this is would be worse.
The Syrian revolution was exploited by the US, Turkey and other countries via proxy wars. They set up and armed factions to fight each other and Assad for their own benefit. Now imagine what it would be like if a revolution happened in Somalia which already has too many foreign influences and where the average person loves qabyaalad. Ethiopia and Kenya would be benefitting more than they are rn and just thinking abt it angers me
For true and sustainable progress we need good leaders with a clear vision to rebuild Somalia to take over, not chaos and meaningless power struggles.
The Syrian revolution was exploited by the US, Turkey and other countries via proxy wars. They set up and armed factions to fight each other and Assad for their own benefit. Now imagine what it would be like if a revolution happened in Somalia which already has too many foreign influences and where the average person loves qabyaalad. Ethiopia and Kenya would be benefitting more than they are rn and just thinking abt it angers me
For true and sustainable progress we need good leaders with a clear vision to rebuild Somalia to take over, not chaos and meaningless power struggles.
It was a realtively successful goverment (for the south) but not a legitimate one. ICU was not recognized by the rest of the world.
Yh we see this today, foreign goverments bankroll former warlords turned goverment officials or mooryan turned civil servant to be their agents in Somalia. All you need is a couple million bucks and you'll have somali politicans at your beck and call.What we have now is bad, but this is would be worse.
The Syrian revolution was exploited by the US, Turkey and other countries via proxy wars. They set up and armed factions to fight each other and Assad for their own benefit. Now imagine what it would be like if a revolution happened in Somalia which already has too many foreign influences and where the average person loves qabyaalad. Ethiopia and Kenya would be benefitting more than they are rn and just thinking abt it angers me
For true and sustainable progress we need good leaders with a clear vision to rebuild Somalia to take over, not chaos and meaningless power struggles.
hayran
Ride The Lightning
It’s the most legitimate authority to have governed Somalia in a long time. Maybe not legitimate to bureaucrats in DC, but it was certainly a more natural and sustainable rule than the ethio-ZOG creation we have now. If it had happened 50 years prior, “the rest of the world” would’ve been indifferent and granted it that “legitimacy”. Case in point Saudi Arabia
The don't care if stable and proper it would be another geopolitical battleground.
Somaliland in this state is at the whim of the west. Berbera Airport was completed and modernised with the tarmac runway done with all the modern facilities. But it's in American Military hands as their military planes are the only ones that land.
UK royal navy has permanent parking spot at the port. Recognising Somaliland would make the west spend money and resources to ensure that a pro West candidate always wins as the worry with Djibouti is he's heading towards China
Garaad Awal
War is coming.
There will be a coup against Cirro. If that’s what you are waiting for
US and the west is the rest of the world in question here. Everyone else was or still is basically irrelevant
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We were the first african nation to successfully transfer power but it all got squashed with a coup which fueled and exaggerated qabil tensions
No more coups please
No more coups please
The main problem in Somali politics is the rush to the use of force. You should only use force when you have no choices left and your back is to a wall.
It is always better to let politicians fail on their own terms and discredit themselves. learn from these mistakes and they are less likely to occur going forward.
Hasan Sheekh was chosen by the Somali people. He must complete his term and we should then learn from his mistakes. Overthrowing him in a coup is a greater criminal act than anything he has done. That qaxbad is our legal legitimate leader for the next 17 months. Anyone who takes arms against him is a criminal.
It is always better to let politicians fail on their own terms and discredit themselves. learn from these mistakes and they are less likely to occur going forward.
Hasan Sheekh was chosen by the Somali people. He must complete his term and we should then learn from his mistakes. Overthrowing him in a coup is a greater criminal act than anything he has done. That qaxbad is our legal legitimate leader for the next 17 months. Anyone who takes arms against him is a criminal.
Tiyeglow
A Laandheere always pays his debts
HSM will go down as the worst president, however if there is one thing we should have learnt from Kacaan is that to even have someone at the helm is a privilege to be honest, to have a present state isn't always a guarantee (1991-2004). What I would do to rewind the clock back to 1990 and to plead to the political elites to take the Manifesto Group's deal for a seamlessly transition from MSB to the next person, even if it was the moryaan Caydiid. That's why i laugh at Hawiye when they said they were gona burn down Xamar (again) if Farmajo didn't step down smh moryaans never learn wallahi
Revolutions are fueled mainly by ideology and led by charismatic speakers who convince the masses why their political system is superior to the current one. Unlike a coup, a revolution brings actual change, whether radical or not. Iran is a perfect example of why revolutions are needed in corrupt societies. It is one of the most self-sufficient countries in the Middle East, producing its own weapons, pharmaceuticals and efficiently creating proxies to advance its political agenda.
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