Why rendilles use Arabic for days of the week if they split off from use long before Islam?

[Revolutionarry]

The Rendilles supposedly diverged from us and other Somaliod groups around 2000 years ago, give or take another 200 years.
We know our days of the week are borrowed from Arabs, but what about Rendille? How was this introduced to them? Is it possible that the split between us was more recent? Was there contact between proto Somalis and Arabs?
@Reformed J
@Aurelian
@The alchemist

 

[Yami]

Somalis were in direct contact with Rendile until expanding Oromos and Massai got in the way of shit. They were probably in the process of being islamified during those times.

I have a book saved on rendile & the people lament on how they know they're very closely related to Somalis despite being pagans, and local somali nomads expanding to their previous held lands had the same mindset.

 

[World]

There are less than 65,000 Rendille and 30 million Somalis.

Why do you guys care so much about these langaab pagans

 

[Riftvalley]

They also pray to Waaq five times a day at similar times to Muslim prayers:

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/somali-vlogger-visits-rendille.159993/

The Harrla site in Eastern Ethiopia shows signs of non Muslim and Muslims living in close proximity. I think some areas of the interior in the horn from 12th century onwards were characterised by:

1. Deeply observant Muslims.
2. Nomadic Muslims still synchronising their old beliefs with Islam.
3. People still practicing Waaqist religion but coming into close contact with those other 2 groups due to trade and tribal links. They would have adopted some elements of Islamic culture.

The Aw Barlhadle vs. the so-calied Yibir magician story would indicate some Ulema of the Shafite madhab started to challenge some of the Waaqist customs which were still prevalent. Perhaps the Madhibaan story also refers to a religious debate as to what animals meats were halal etc.

Somalis exaggerated the binary discourse of “Gaalo Madow” vs. “Somali Muslims” to the colonialists to enhance their Muslim/Arab heritage. In realty, the relationships they had with non Muslims east Cushitics/Somalis were most likely more nuanced than that, especially at the intersections of nomads/Hunter gatherers/trade routes.



As for the linguistic element, Rendille broke off from an early Somali community but they were never completely isolated from Southern Somali dialects. They would have been in close contact with other Somali herders. The Rendille also hosted Somalis who fled from living under Borana advance.

 

[Revolutionarry]

There are less than 65,000 Rendille and 30 million Somalis.

Why do you guys care so much about these langaab pagans

chill out sinyoor seef la bood, it's just a curiousity, much like all threads on here. Nobody is professing love for rendille here.

 

[Revolutionarry]

Somalis were in direct contact with Rendile until expanding Oromos and Massai got in the way of shit. They were probably in the process of being islamified during those times.

I have a book saved on rendile & the people lament on how they know they're very closely related to Somalis despite being pagans, and local somali nomads expanding to their previous held lands had the same mindset.


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This is interesting, hadn't seen it before.
So not only is the horde(oromo) threatening Somali unity today, they already kinda fucked shit up when they expanded from the south? hoyadiin wasa.

 

[wonyluvr]

Here’s the days of the week in Somali found it on Instagram

 

[wonyluvr]

There are less than 65,000 Rendille and 30 million Somalis.

Why do you guys care so much about these langaab pagans

they aren’t pagans though

 

[Yami]

This is interesting, hadn't seen it before.
So not only is the horde(oromo) threatening Somali unity today, they already kinda fucked shit up when they expanded from the south? hoyadiin wasa.

Yeah a lot of Somali related ethnicities got decimated by Oromos and Nilotics. There’s also warjeex people in hararghe who barely exist today they number around 20k

 

[Khaem]

The renadille are a Somaloid group and their elders tell of their origin story being they were one of the Somali clans that refused Islam and were thus expelled from the peninsula by other Somalis and moved into Kenya.

Nowadays they have become Muslim and paired with Arabic influence from the swahili coast, this is probably why they do this.

 

[Khaem]

They also pray to Waaq five times a day at similar times to Muslim prayers:

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/somali-vlogger-visits-rendille.159993/

The Harrla site in Eastern Ethiopia shows signs of non Muslim and Muslims living in close proximity. I think some areas of the interior in the horn from 12th century onwards were characterised by:

1. Deeply observant Muslims.
2. Nomadic Muslims still synchronising their old beliefs with Islam.
3. People still practicing Waaqist religion but coming into close contact with those other 2 groups due to trade and tribal links. They would have adopted some elements of Islamic culture.

The Aw Barlhadle vs. the so-calied Yibir magician story would indicate some Ulema of the Shafite madhab started to challenge some of the Waaqist customs which were still prevalent. Perhaps the Madhibaan story also refers to a religious debate as to what animals meats were halal etc.

Somalis exaggerated the binary discourse of “Gaalo Madow” vs. “Somali Muslims” to the colonialists to enhance their Muslim/Arab heritage. In realty, the relationships they had with non Muslims east Cushitics/Somalis were most likely more nuanced than that, especially at the intersections of nomads/Hunter gatherers/trade routes.



As for the linguistic element, Rendille broke off from an early Somali community but they were never completely isolated from Southern Somali dialects. They would have been in close contact with other Somali herders. The Rendille also hosted Somalis who fled from living under Borana advance.

Praying to Waaq 5 times a day

"Ya bidewaaq na xariisto "

 

[Revolutionarry]

Yeah a lot of Somali related ethnicities got decimated by Oromos and Nilotics. There’s also warjeex people in hararghe who barely exist today they number around 20k

We should be using this as a propaganda war against the oromo. They did it before, and they'll do it again.
DNA has already shown a lot of eastern oromos have significant Somali admixture, with a lot of them carrying the YDNA, one can only deduce that many somali clans have been assimilated in these invasions and are now fully oromo.

 

[Khaem]

We should be using this as a propaganda war against the oromo. They did it before, and they'll do it again.
DNA has already shown a lot of eastern oromos have significant Somali admixture, with a lot of them carrying the YDNA, one can only deduce that many somali clans have been assimilated in these invasions and are now fully oromo.

Siad barre assigned clans to eastern oromo and called them "Somali abo"
We need to be forward thinking like this also. Any Cushite Muslim can and will be brought under Somalinimo. In a region where everyone is trying to expand, we somalis should start going on the offensive again instead of crying over losing cities, we'll take enite regions and clans under Somaliweyn.

 

[Revolutionarry]

Siad barre assigned clans to eastern oromo and called them "Somalo abo"
We need to be forward thinking like this also. Any Cushite Muslim can and will be brought under Somalinimo. In a region where everyone is trying to expand, we somalis should start going on the offensive again instead of crying over losing cities, we'll take enite regions and clans under Somaliweyn.

I think you're right. Once the Somali state is revived, we should be playing that kinda game but Allah deliver us from this mess first.

 

[Khaem]

I think you're right. Once the Somali state is revived, we should be playing that kinda game but Allah deliver us from this mess first.

Yes all our problems tie back to the lack of a single somali state.

 

[Riftvalley]

Praying to Waaq 5 times a day

"Ya bidewaaq na xariisto "

Their daily prayers times times follow the same schedule as Muslims. Obviously they contain a large number of Somalis who lost their Islam. The Reer Diid somali story about them getting kicked out rejecting Islam is false and it doesn’t make linguistic or historical sense.

 

[awsaleban667]

Yeah a lot of Somali related ethnicities got decimated by Oromos and Nilotics. There’s also warjeex people in hararghe who barely exist today they number around 20k

Lmao reminds of when Sabr ad Din II said he was gonna make Amda Seyon herd camels with the Warjeex if he didn’t give up. He also said he would plant Khat in Tegulet. He was an excellent shit talker if only he had the Martial ability of Great-Great Grandsons Sabr ad Din III, Jamal Ad Din II, and Badlay

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

Yes all our problems tie back to the lack of a single somali state.

If only fatboy IOG was a real Somali instead of an opp, Djibouti could of used subtler means to arm Somalis and Dire Dhabe would be the DDS capital by now