Why Somalis in Kenya and Ethiopia accept rule of law but those in Somalia are ungovernable?

[Boomer]

Same tribes, same people, same culture and same everything yet only in Somalia proper is chaos and armed civilians acceptable. The funny thing is that Kenya and Ethiopia do it in two completely different ways. In Ethiopia it’s brute force and the people basically submit or they face a literal genocide. In Kenya, they are free but they accept rule of law.

Would Somalis in Somalia accept governance if we outsourced the entire government to foreigners ? What is it about Somalis refusing to accept being ruled by other Somalis but they are okay with being ruled by literally anyone else? Why? Even the leaders fight and challenge each other all the time but they don’t have the same energy for AS or Kenya or Ethiopia when these latter groups kill them.

 

[hayran]

Tyranny works

 

[Abu Hesi]

Same tribes, same people, same culture and same everything yet only in Somalia proper is chaos and armed civilians acceptable. The funny thing is that Kenya and Ethiopia do it in two completely different ways. In Ethiopia it’s brute force and the people basically submit or they face a literal genocide. In Kenya, they are free but they accept rule of law.

Would Somalis in Somalia accept governance if we outsourced the entire government to foreigners ? What is it about Somalis refusing to accept being ruled by other Somalis but they are okay with being ruled by literally anyone else? Why? Even the leaders fight and challenge each other all the time but they don’t have the same energy for AS or Kenya or Ethiopia when these latter groups kill them.

Yes, if we outsourced the gov Somalia would be stable;Soomali Soomali kale umatalin karo.

at my old job no Somali listened to the Somali Sup or Manager, but they would obey the damn ajnabi.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

xoog

 

[Vacelere]

Same tribes, same people, same culture and same everything yet only in Somalia proper is chaos and armed civilians acceptable. The funny thing is that Kenya and Ethiopia do it in two completely different ways. In Ethiopia it’s brute force and the people basically submit or they face a literal genocide. In Kenya, they are free but they accept rule of law.

Would Somalis in Somalia accept governance if we outsourced the entire government to foreigners ? What is it about Somalis refusing to accept being ruled by other Somalis but they are okay with being ruled by literally anyone else? Why? Even the leaders fight and challenge each other all the time but they don’t have the same energy for AS or Kenya or Ethiopia when these latter groups kill them.

I believe it comes to three reasons.

The long somali tribes rivalry not only during 90s but throughout somali history, the somali people didn't expand that much because the internal power struggle is more important than outside expansion.

Secondly the forgien interference.

When I read about the late ottoman empire I saw the same pattern in Somalia which is to weaken the state to the point of staying between total collapse and revival, which makes it dependent on its neighbours all the time.

Finally the somali people were never united so you don't have a heritage of unity that other nation use to call of it in the time of crisis.

 

[Zak12]

I assume you are talking about southern Somalia since Somalis in the north generally accept rule of law. Its obviously because FGS is very weak and doesn't have much legitimacy.

 

[TekNiKo]

Same tribes, same people, same culture and same everything yet only in Somalia proper is chaos and armed civilians acceptable. The funny thing is that Kenya and Ethiopia do it in two completely different ways. In Ethiopia it’s brute force and the people basically submit or they face a literal genocide. In Kenya, they are free but they accept rule of law.

Would Somalis in Somalia accept governance if we outsourced the entire government to foreigners ? What is it about Somalis refusing to accept being ruled by other Somalis but they are okay with being ruled by literally anyone else? Why? Even the leaders fight and challenge each other all the time but they don’t have the same energy for AS or Kenya or Ethiopia when these latter groups kill them.

Well AS rule through fear, the same way MSB AUN did. Somalis only understand karbaash otherwise they wont behave.

 

[johnsepei5]

Somalis require brute force but also lenient government that does not pick sides in qabil squabbles and have favouritism to some clans which our idiotic previous dictator barre did

like Kenya for example when Somali clans duke it out ,the government does not pick sides and just makes both of them stop

 

[TheLand]

Same tribes, same people, same culture and same everything yet only in Somalia proper is chaos and armed civilians acceptable. The funny thing is that Kenya and Ethiopia do it in two completely different ways. In Ethiopia it’s brute force and the people basically submit or they face a literal genocide. In Kenya, they are free but they accept rule of law.

Would Somalis in Somalia accept governance if we outsourced the entire government to foreigners ? What is it about Somalis refusing to accept being ruled by other Somalis but they are okay with being ruled by literally anyone else? Why? Even the leaders fight and challenge each other all the time but they don’t have the same energy for AS or Kenya or Ethiopia when these latter groups kill them.

Because they feel like other Somalis will ‘faan’ to them that they rule them or control them and honestly they ain’t wrong. Meanwhile if it’s a non-Somali no other tribe can say they rule you. Somalis don’t generally view rulership as a responsibility but rather as their own private property to tyrannize others with and/or steal. Case in point, HSM. Clearly totally irresponsible.

 

[TekNiKo]

Because PL and SL are 1 clan states while the South is cosmopolitan. Of course there will be more clan battles.

 

[Aurelian]

Tyranny works

Kenya is very democratic if you compared it to the rest of east africa

 

[The truth seeker]

Somalis need a strong man leader to put them in line

 

[Abaq]

Same tribes, same people, same culture and same everything yet only in Somalia proper is chaos and armed civilians acceptable. The funny thing is that Kenya and Ethiopia do it in two completely different ways. In Ethiopia it’s brute force and the people basically submit or they face a literal genocide. In Kenya, they are free but they accept rule of law.

Would Somalis in Somalia accept governance if we outsourced the entire government to foreigners ? What is it about Somalis refusing to accept being ruled by other Somalis but they are okay with being ruled by literally anyone else? Why? Even the leaders fight and challenge each other all the time but they don’t have the same energy for AS or Kenya or Ethiopia when these latter groups kill them.

Do you want to know the truth or the lies Somalis tell themselves? The lie is that there must be some cause that needs to be investigated that doesn’t have anything to do with culture. The truth is that it is due to Dhaqan Ogaden and that Ogaden are dominant in both Kenya and Somalia and Ogaden are law-abiding people. Even in Somalia, in the most depraved part of the country the South, Jubaland is the only area where there is no aano-qabiil. Kismayo is one of the safest major cities in the whole Ex-Somalia.

So the answer to your question is that Ogaden don’t dominate Somalia. If they did, Somalia would be a proper country with law and order.

You may all begin your hating and denial

 

[Lahaine]

Because they are a minority in those countries.

 

[TheLand]

Because PL and SL are 1 clan states while the South is cosmopolitan. Of course there will be more clan battles.

The south was even more cosmopolitan in the past when PLers and SLers lived down there and it was more peaceful so what you are saying makes no sense. The south is a zoo largely due to a huge population of unproductive people.

 

[Somali Saayid]

Do you want to know the truth or the lies Somalis tell themselves? The lie is that there must be some cause that needs to be investigated that doesn’t have anything to do with culture. The truth is that it is due to Dhaqan Ogaden and that Ogaden are dominant in both Kenya and Somalia and Ogaden are law-abiding people. Even in Somalia, in the most depraved part of the country the South, Jubaland is the only area where there is no aano-qabiil. Kismayo is one of the safest major cities in the whole Ex-Somalia.

So the answer to your question is that Ogaden don’t dominate Somalia. If they did, Somalia would be a proper country with law and order.

You may all begin your hating and denial

Ogaden are naturally subservient even with a radical change in environment case in point Hamza Abdi Barre.

 

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Ogaden are naturally subservient even with a radical change in environment case in point Hamza Abdi Barre.

Ina Sayid, Fartaag, Canjeex, Moalimu, Cali Ciid,
all of Gedos mps. Do Marexaans have a politician they can rely on?

 

[Mckenzie]

We are not very different to many African countries like Chad, Mali, Mauritania etc which have large terrains and deserts that aren't governed or are held by local militia. And as a small population in a big country we feel less restricted to follow law and order. We have a greater love for freedom as nomads and that also translates into insubordination. Only a terror state or 0 foreign influence can force Somalis to rely on themselves. They need to have the UN cushion taken away from them with Ethiopians breathing down their neck threatening an imperial conquest of the Horn to wake them up.

 

[Somali Saayid]

Ina Sayid, Fartaag, Canjeex, Moalimu, Cali Ciid,
all of Gedos mps. Do Marexaans have a politician they can rely on?
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Horgal is subservient to his own needs and if they align with a political player who has more power than him than they will join together. That being said Hamza Abdi Barre holds the second highest office in the land and he essentially remains a secretary to HSM, put any of the other u listed and they would seize at the opportunity to gain power for themselves something Hamza refuses to do.

 

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Horgal is subservient to his own needs and if they align with a political player who has more power than him than they will join together. That being said Hamza Abdi Barre holds the second highest office in the land and he essentially remains a secretary to HSM, put any of the other u listed and they would seize at the opportunity to gain power for themselves something Hamza refuses to do.

So Xamse Barre has more power in Xamar then Marexaan vps in Kismayo. Atleast you admit that.

Anyways the difference between the Ogaden and others is Laandheers are able to war with their own without fear of langaabs rising up we saw it with Iley and we just saw it with Xamse. Gedo is currently a battleground between JL and HSM and your telling me about seizing power