Rendille minus the Samburu influence are basically a relic of nomadic southern Somalis. Most Somali nomadic beliefs would have been similar to whatever the few remaining Rendille Waaqists believed until recently. Yes, there would have been Sabaen and Christian/Jewish influence here and there, however there is no reason to believe Somalis en masse believed (with nuances of course) in completely different different deities to other neighbouring Cushitic. The only areas this happen is where Sabaens migrated heavily or the state adopts Christianity as in the axumite case.
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Wagar, Fertility and Phallic Stelae: Cushitic Sky-God Belief and the Site of Saint Aw-Barkhadle, Somaliland - African Archaeological Review
This article is the first to present a study on the wagar, a sacred wooden sculpture kept by Somali women. This study explores the wagar and its significance as a sacred medium within fertility rituals and the religious syncretism in which such indigenous and non/pre-Islamic practice is...
Rendille were ruled by Borana oromo for 300 years brother, you cannot use rendilles to reconstruct anything.
@Burqad Why are you so insistent that Waaq is not a name for Allah?
It's just a discussion that could go either way but based on the circumstantial evidence available, it seems like it is.
What stronger evidence do you have that it isn't because I'm not seeing that for your translation of it as 'sky'.
The Chinese had a similar understanding they also referred to God by reference to the heavens-https://www.britannica.com/topic/tian
Even if we accept your explanation, the meaning is still ultimately God.
It's just a discussion that could go either way but based on the circumstantial evidence available, it seems like it is.
What stronger evidence do you have that it isn't because I'm not seeing that for your translation of it as 'sky'.
The Chinese had a similar understanding they also referred to God by reference to the heavens-https://www.britannica.com/topic/tian
Even if we accept your explanation, the meaning is still ultimately God.
That’s a very reductive and simplistic way of looking at this. In some cases it was not outright rule, but a coalition or alliance between the Boran and others. Even then, Boranas never fully eliminated all elements of Rendille culture . Rendille nomadic culture was reconstructed as following the PRS( Somalic nomadic culture). This is why the until recent times they had superstitions such as the curse on the who kills a “Somali” or someone from a similar cultural group.They never considered Borana as the same people as they did with neighbouring Somali etc.
I don’t get why suggesting Somalis had a Similar name for God to the closest ethno linguistic cultural group/s is absurd to you. I find this puzzling when you’re as content to ascribe some Hellenistic religions to ancient Somalis.
The cultural gap between Somalis and Oromos is about 3000 years (same as the gap between Indians and Noreweigns). We know that religious terms aren’t conserved in linguistics and are the first to wander.
Also read Schlee on the Rendille, they were basically enslaved by Oromos for 300 years and had a huge cultural shift, just because they remember that they’re related to Somalis doesn’t mean anything, they adopted a huge amount of Oromo religious terms and even prayed at the sacred mountain of the Oromo
There is not many immediate resources in Mogadishu or on the Benadiri coast in general, early on no one except producers from far interior or the hinterland would settle there and use it as an exchange center for their products. Whether they be agro-cultivators or camel herders.
People who lived in the hinterland of Mogadishu weren't all simple camel herding nomads either, a lot of them were settled agro-pastoralists living in a number of farming villages near/along the banks of the shabelle river. Each village inhabited by 200 people.
The earliest mentions of Mogadishu/Merca in medieval sources paints the same picture, connecting it to it's hinterland and describing the 50 villages along the banks of the river.
This is also supported by archeological excavations in Afgoye, that shows that the agricultural town pre-dates Mogadishu. The economic developments in the hinterland directly led to the formation, settlement and development of the urban towns on the coast.
Note that there other interior commercial urban towns(most now abandoned) along caravan routes, the oldest surviving of them being the walled city of Lugh. Benadiri Reer Shaykh Mumin clan is one example that is interspersed between the camel caravan trade routes that links to Lugh(Interior city) and Bur Hakaba(Agricultural center) from the coast of Mogadishu(Coastal City) and commanded it.
''The town depended on the grain brought by camels from the Galadi(Shabelle) River''
People who lived in the hinterland of Mogadishu weren't all simple camel herding nomads either, a lot of them were settled agro-pastoralists living in a number of farming villages near/along the banks of the shabelle river. Each village inhabited by 200 people.
The earliest mentions of Mogadishu/Merca in medieval sources paints the same picture, connecting it to it's hinterland and describing the 50 villages along the banks of the river.
This is also supported by archeological excavations in Afgoye, that shows that the agricultural town pre-dates Mogadishu. The economic developments in the hinterland directly led to the formation, settlement and development of the urban towns on the coast.
Note that there other interior commercial urban towns(most now abandoned) along caravan routes, the oldest surviving of them being the walled city of Lugh. Benadiri Reer Shaykh Mumin clan is one example that is interspersed between the camel caravan trade routes that links to Lugh(Interior city) and Bur Hakaba(Agricultural center) from the coast of Mogadishu(Coastal City) and commanded it.
''The town depended on the grain brought by camels from the Galadi(Shabelle) River''
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Good stuff but I’m talking about a mythThere is not many immediate resources in Mogadishu or on the Benadiri coast in general, early on no one except producers from far interior or the hinterland would settle there and use it as an exchange center for their products. Whether they be agro-cultivators or camel herders.
People who lived in the hinterland of Mogadishu weren't all simple camel herding nomads either, a lot of them were settled agro-pastoralists living in a number of farming villages near/along the banks of the shabelle river. Each village inhabited by 200 people.
The earliest mentions of Mogadishu/Merca in medieval sources paints the same picture, connecting it to it's hinterland and describing the 50 villages along the banks of the river.
This is also supported by archeological excavations in Afgoye, that shows that the agricultural town pre-dates Mogadishu. The economic developments in the hinterland directly led to the formation, settlement and development of the urban towns on the coast.
Note that there other interior commercial urban towns(most now abandoned) along caravan routes, the oldest surviving of them being the walled city of Lugh. Benadiri Reer Shaykh Mumin clan is one example that is interspersed between the camel caravan trade routes that links to Lugh(Interior city) and Bur Hakaba(Agricultural center) from the coast of Mogadishu(Coastal City) and commanded it.
''The town depended on the grain brought by camels from the Galadi(Shabelle) River''
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That’s a silly comparison. Oromos and Somalis who don’t share borders still share many cultural similarities despite the big genetic/language distance. One simple example is geraar as a form of war/ boasting poetry. Cushitic pastoralist people are good at maintaining cultural practises and most were not conquered by empires similar to Rome etc.
And for tenth time, rendille ancient religion and culture wasn’t replaced or lost to oromos.
You are talking about a folk tale, in relation to the founding of Mogadishu, attributing it to camel driving nomads.
And i am saying that the ones who first populated Mogadishu was not just camel herding nomads but also settled agriculturalists from the interior. Afgoye predates Mogadishu and the towns existence is connected to it's hinterland production and there is native clans interpersed along those routes from the interior to the coast.
How did you learn that Afgoye is older than Mogadishu? Mogadishu is said to be Sarapion no?
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A lot of Sufis are make stories up.
You shouldn't eat the flesh of scholars with such statements.
True, Merka was actually the biggest city on the Banadir coast before the 1800’s.
No Mogadishu was always bigger. Mogadishu is actually a twin town, whereas Merca and Barawa are both single towns. There was also good number of early smaller village settlements dotted between Mogadishu and Merca, communities such as Gezeira, Nimow, Aw Make, Danane, Gendershe, and Gelib-Merca
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