Brotherhood renewed Puntland & Bay/Bakool

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Thegoodshepherd

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@XamarCade @SOMALI GENERAL The questions I'm asking are the ones that actually matter if you want to have a centralized Somalia. In fact, the attempt at centralization that you are supporting maybe the one that finally breaks Somalia. These are big questions that have to answered before we can do much of anything else.

I am a unionist, but I can't support a centralized state that will be based in Mogadishu as it will inevitably cause harm to my region.

Here is an example o what I am talking about. Something can be good for the country as a whole, but not for a part of the country.

Yucca mountain is a mountain in the desert of Nevada that is perfect for storing nuclear waste. On average, there are huge benefits to centralizing nuclear waste in a single location. But the people of Nevada opposed the Yucca mountain proposal because it would harm their state's image.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository

The interests of the nation-state can be directly opposed to the interests of a region. The interests of Somalia, as a nation-state, maybe directly contradictory of the interests of Puntland in some cases, and I am not willing to sacrifice Puntland's interest for the sake of the national interest.
 
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Bahal said:
Based wrote: Let's try to have some perspective. Do you think qabiil is an institution that fosters any real development? Do you think our culture is conducive to growth? Do you think the myths and superstitions we so desperately cling to will ever lead Somalis from the pitiful state we find ourselves in? If Somalia was any great, we'd both be living there. Instead, you live in the UK, you live in Australia, and I live in fucking Ohio. Why do you think that is? The Somali people are profoundly ignorant, incredibly short-sighted, and absurdly narrow-minded. It is more than apparent that we have completely failed as a society precisely because of the cultural values you and Mr. Ximan embody. Instead of trying to understand and rectify the root causes of our predicament, somnet has become a platform to air and perpetuate the same corrupt beliefs that have forced us to seek refuge in literally the four corners of the earth. I genuinely cannot understand how we not only keep making the same mistakes but we are apparently oblivious to the fact that our present course will only lead to our inevitable extinction as an ethnic group.

I mean, even with an independent country we were a relatively worthless race. We've never made any lasting contributions to humanity, we've never invented anything of note, we've never had any noble winners, no discoveries, no achievements, no monumental feats. How can we ever hope to achieve anything if even the few diaspora individuals who were meant to resuscitate our shitty state basically regurgitate the same bullshit that forced them into qaxootinimo to begin with? I want to see Somali scientists, Somali inventors, Somali Mozarts, Somali Van Goghs, Somali Neil Armstrongs for f*ck's sake. Wallahi if there isn't a Somali Hitler born soon to sort you fuckers out, I'm just gonna marry a white girl, whitewash the shit out of my progeny, and have them talk about how their patriarch was from an obscure now-extinct African hellhole.

f*ck you guys.

tfw you took the ultimate guduudpill in 2013

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Typical fake nationalist nonsense.

Instead of trying to develop their home regions, they will sit online and insult Somali people, claim they're all lazy and qabiilist and threaten to leave their own ethnic group. How embarrassing.

Only someone with a lack of testicular fortitude and self-respect would give up.
They are ashamed of their villages and instead of trying to improve the situation back home they would rather sit on a computer and type weak beta male thoughts. :susp:

They'll say things like: my village is qashin because of qabyaalad, not because MY people are useless and lazy.

They're the type of people who think it's ok to have "peacekeeping troops".

I am so glad the average Puntite male doesn't harbour these self-defeating thoughts and is actually preoccupied with dragging us forward.
Don't let these fake nationalists inject their diseased thoughts into your veins. Let's continue developing our homeland whilst keeping these undesirables at bay.

Remember how our fathers and mothers returned to Puntland with nothing but the clothes on their backs and developed our regions. Remember how desolate Puntland was and how far we have come.




Viva Puntland aka Dal Udug.
 
XamarCade

XamarCade

Thegoodshepherd said:
@XamarCade @SOMALI GENERAL The questions I'm asking are the ones that actually matter if you want to have a centralized Somalia. In fact, the attempt at centralization that you are supporting maybe the one that finally breaks Somalia. These are big questions that have to answered before we can do much of anything else.

I am a unionist, but I can't support a centralized state that will be based in Mogadishu as it will inevitably cause harm to my region.

Here is an example o what I am talking about. Something can be good for the country as a whole, but not for a part of the country.

Yucca mountain is a mountain in the desert of Nevada that is perfect for storing nuclear waste. On average, there are huge benefits to centralizing nuclear waste in a single location. But the people of Nevada opposed the Yucca mountain proposal because it would harm their state's image.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository

The interests of the nation-state can be directly opposed to the interests of a region. The interests of Somalia, as a nation-state, maybe directly contradictory of the interests of Puntland in some cases, and I am not willing to sacrifice Puntland's interest for the sake of the national interest.
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The reason why the capital wouldn't be moved is because xamar is very diverse compared to other regions, and u openly support a weak centralized government, I can't take u serious when u say ur a unionist
 
DrippinglyWet

DrippinglyWet

Thegoodshepherd said:
@XamarCade @SOMALI GENERAL The questions I'm asking are the ones that actually matter if you want to have a centralized Somalia. In fact, the attempt at centralization that you are supporting maybe the one that finally breaks Somalia. These are big questions that have to answered before we can do much of anything else.

I am a unionist, but I can't support a centralized state that will be based in Mogadishu as it will inevitably cause harm to my region.

Here is an example o what I am talking about. Something can be good for the country as a whole, but not for a part of the country.

Yucca mountain is a mountain in the desert of Nevada that is perfect for storing nuclear waste. On average, there are huge benefits to centralizing nuclear waste in a single location. But the people of Nevada opposed the Yucca mountain proposal because it would harm their state's image.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository

The interests of the nation-state can be directly opposed to the interests of a region. The interests of Somalia, as a nation-state, maybe directly contradictory of the interests of Puntland in some cases, and I am not willing to sacrifice Puntland's interest for the sake of the national interest.
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Your going by "ifs" and hypotheticals, if Everyone thought like you then why Should hawiye Dir raxenwein vote for a presidential candidates, like farmajo, not from Their respective clans that could harm their interest like farmajo? What do you think could even happen to PL it doesnt have fertile lands nor notable resources shouldnt the people of HirShebbele, SW and Jubba be afraad as their lands are worth alot more ? Or galmudug with its Uranuim reserves? PL isnt like some golden cow.
A centralised state is needed to stop Petty clan fighting.
 
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legend

legend

Fucking Qashin xamar kids always derailing good threads and injecting themselves, everywhere you turn these rats are here with you.
 
Prince of Lasanod

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Thegoodshepherd said:
@XamarCade @SOMALI GENERAL The questions I'm asking are the ones that actually matter if you want to have a centralized Somalia. In fact, the attempt at centralization that you are supporting maybe the one that finally breaks Somalia. These are big questions that have to answered before we can do much of anything else.

I am a unionist, but I can't support a centralized state that will be based in Mogadishu as it will inevitably cause harm to my region.

Here is an example o what I am talking about. Something can be good for the country as a whole, but not for a part of the country.

Yucca mountain is a mountain in the desert of Nevada that is perfect for storing nuclear waste. On average, there are huge benefits to centralizing nuclear waste in a single location. But the people of Nevada opposed the Yucca mountain proposal because it would harm their state's image.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository

The interests of the nation-state can be directly opposed to the interests of a region. The interests of Somalia, as a nation-state, maybe directly contradictory of the interests of Puntland in some cases, and I am not willing to sacrifice Puntland's interest for the sake of the national interest.
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Koonfur + Somaliland (if they get a good power sharing deal) support centralism.

Bari and Nugaal can have their own autonomous region if they wish.
 
Prince of Lasanod

Prince of Lasanod

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XamarCade said:
The reason why the capital wouldn't be moved is because xamar is very diverse compared to other regions, and u openly support a weak centralized government, I can't take u serious when u say ur a unionist
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Thegoodshepherd said:
You have to be honest in order to have this kind of discussion, I don't see any point. I'm out.

:ohno:
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There is nowhere else in Somalia where the capital could be moved to.

If we had NFD then I would say to move it to Kismaayo. But it's too close to Kenya now.
 
Bahal

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Thegoodshepherd said:
@Bahal I understand where you are coming from, you want a strong-state in Somalia that can actually do stuff. The question you should ask yourself is why the Hawiye almost always support such a strong-state, regardless of whether they are actual ethnic nationalists or qabilists?

A strong-state in Somalia is the ideal, and would be the fastest way to lift the country above complete poverty, but it would mean placing the Hawiye in charge as they control the capital, and people in Puntland cannot abide by that. I would rather we work our way up slowly than to have Hawiye in charge of the same state machinery as Siyaad Barre. Even 5% economic growth would not convince me to place any trust in such an arrangement, the risks would be too high imo.

Are you willing to tolerate Hawiye political domination so that Somalia can exit the Malthusian trap?
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I thought you changed your mind after the unprecedented level of support Farmajo received :icon lol:

I don't know about you, but I was genuinely shocked to see that the common folk still had some semblance of Soomalinimo that managed to survive the horrors of the civil war. I certainly never expected to see the resurrection of a national conciousness any time soon.

I think it's safe to say the elites that have profited handsomely from the civil war and who know cannot survive under the rule of law have absolutely no intention of seeing a stable Somalia, in any form beyond the current status quo e.g. clan statelets that seem to me an organized charity racket more than anything else.

Let's be honest, what do we have to lose at this point? It's easy to make statements like yours when we're not directly affected by this catastrophe. 95% live on less than $2 a day, biblical famines every other year, the Mediterranean tragedy etc. I think this is why supposed enemies were simultaneously celebrating from Garowe to Garrisa.

I understand your fears, but what is the alternative? Another quarter century of this? :zhqjlmx:
 
Bahal

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PuntiteQueen said:
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Typical fake nationalist nonsense.

Instead of trying to develop their home regions, they will sit online and insult Somali people, claim they're all lazy and qabiilist and threaten to leave their own ethnic group. How embarrassing.

Only someone with a lack of testicular fortitude and self-respect would give up.
They are ashamed of their villages and instead of trying to improve the situation back home they would rather sit on a computer and type weak beta male thoughts. :susp:

They'll say things like: my village is qashin because of qabyaalad, not because MY people are useless and lazy.

They're the type of people who think it's ok to have "peacekeeping troops".

I am so glad the average Puntite male doesn't harbour these self-defeating thoughts and is actually preoccupied with dragging us forward.
Don't let these fake nationalists inject their diseased thoughts into your veins. Let's continue developing our homeland whilst keeping these undesirables at bay.

Remember how our fathers and mothers returned to Puntland with nothing but the clothes on their backs and developed our regions. Remember how desolate Puntland was and how far we have come.




Viva Puntland aka Dal Udug.
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Wew

Thanks for contributing to the discussion.
 
Bahal

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PuntiteQueen said:
I'd say "you're welcome" but that would be wasted on pessimistic beta males who would rather wring their tiny hands and complain about their country being backwards.

Just bury yourselves, at least the maggots will benefit. :camby:
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Gotcha
 
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    :drakelaugh:


    I just want to express how grateful I am for the "ignore" feature.
    That's why this is the best Somali forum.
    No need to sully my eyes with Hagawiye nonsensical jealousy inspired posts.

    Let me guess what kind of shit they're typing:

    "we hate (deeply obsessed and in love with) you MJs"
    "please pay attention to us"
    "Somalia unuka leh"



    Am I right or am I right :mjlol:
 
Lord Flacko

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Thegoodshepherd said:
@Bahal I understand where you are coming from, you want a strong-state in Somalia that can actually do stuff. The question you should ask yourself is why the Hawiye almost always support such a strong-state, regardless of whether they are actual ethnic nationalists or qabilists?

A strong-state in Somalia is the ideal, and would be the fastest way to lift the country above complete poverty, but it would mean placing the Hawiye in charge as they control the capital, and people in Puntland cannot abide by that. I would rather we work our way up slowly than to have Hawiye in charge of the same state machinery as Siyaad Barre. Even 5% economic growth would not convince me to place any trust in such an arrangement, the risks would be too high imo.

Are you willing to tolerate Hawiye political domination so that Somalia can exit the Malthusian trap?
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So you're essentially saying, "If I can't rule, nobody else can."
This is the narrow-minded thinking that qabiil brings, which is what @Bahal wants gone.



Nobody is advocating a strong Somali state with the toxicity of qabiil still present. If I interpreted it correctly, Bahal is advocating for qabiil to become irrelevant so we can have a strong Somali state. In that sense, your what if is completely off base with the original post at mind. Tbh if feels like a cheap mental to justify the status quo of what is essentially 'a paved dirt road and one air strip provided to you by your sub-clan.'
 
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