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[merka]

Omani's I met consider themselves as Somali

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

Warya stop beging to these carabs . We were never under omani rule or their "supervision".

Why would I beg to Arabs when we have a prouder history and culture.

But it is true that we were under the Omani Sultanate for 20 years or so...

By 1892, Mogadishu was under the joint control of the Somali Sultanate of the Geledi and the Omani Sultanate of Zanzibar.[27] The Geledi Sultans were at the height of their power. They dominated the southern ivory trade, and also held sway over the Jubba and Shebelle valleys in the hinterland.

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

I should have reworded that, they believe they share the same ancestry as Somalis.

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

This is pushing it.
At most the kingdom covered most of Eritrea and northern Ethiopia and only colonised parts of Yemen and SA for a 100 years or so. Nothing as much as most people exaggerate it.

Most of our interactions came from the the Kingdom of D'mot and Yemens Saba. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dʿmt
This is when all the languages in the area started arising and the script.

I said it was debatable due to lack of cartography in that region in that period of time. There are conflicting reports that some Somali inhabited lands were under the Axum empire.

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

Let me clarify my position:

Somalis are mostly if not entirely Cushite, however I believe that Daarod was an Arab from Yemen (maybe). That is negligible due to centuries of intermixing to the extent we cannot call ourselves Arab anymore.

I do not believe we are Arab but that we have some however small Arab ancestry, due to Darod and Arab migration.

I just am pretty angry with those people who want discredit Darod as he didn't exist. Yes you might be 99% Cushite but that other 1% is probably Arab. That doesn't mean we are Arab.

 

[s'imwaq']

I said it was debatable due to lack of cartography in that region in that period of time. There are conflicting reports that some Somali inhabited lands were under the Axum empire.

You can't just make things up like that and blame it on lack of cartography...
Axum was just Eritrea and Northern Ethiopia, and that's what inscriptions prove. Since when did you guys claim Aksum

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Why would I beg to Arabs when we have a prouder history and culture.

But it is true that we were under the Omani Sultanate for 20 years or so...

Cite the source please.

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

You can't just make things up like that and blame it on lack of cartography...
Axum was just Eritrea and Northern Ethiopia, and that's what inscriptions prove. Since when did you guys claim Aksum

I don't claim Axum but I brought it up as a debatable prospect.

 

[s'imwaq']

I don't claim Axum but I brought it up as a debatable prospect.

But very doubtable.

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

Cite the source please.

Here are two from the same author:

• Lewis, I. M. (1965). The Modern History of Somaliland: From Nation to State. F.A. Praeger.
• Lewis, I. M. (1988). A Modern History of Somalia: Nation and State in the Horn of Africa. Westview Press. ISBN 978-0-8133-7402-4.

If you want others I will be happy to bring them out. I was just in a rush, sorry.

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

But very doubtable.

I'm not arguing that, I'm just bringing up possibilities to the table. Its up to you to judge.

 

[s'imwaq']

I'm not arguing that, I'm just bringing up possibilities to the table. Its up to you to judge.

It really doesn't explain anything though because it was a short occupation. As I said, most the interactions took place when D'mt was around.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Let me clarify my position:

Somalis are mostly if not entirely Cushite, however I believe that Daarod was an Arab from Yemen (maybe). That is negligible due to centuries of intermixing to the extent we cannot call ourselves Arab anymore.

I do not believe we are Arab but that we have some however small Arab ancestry, due to Darod and Arab migration.

I just am pretty angry with those people who want discredit Darod as he didn't exist. Yes you might be 99% Cushite but that other 1% is probably Arab. That doesn't mean we are Arab.

The reason why the Darood and Isaaq stories are discredited quite often is because our history has been passed down to us orally. Therefore, theres a high probability that none of these individuals ever existed cause theres no written records to back up these claims.

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

Cite the source please.

Here are others:

Ade Ajayi, J. F. Africa in the Nineteenth Century Until the 1880s. UNESCO. p. 387.
Ghalib, Jama Mohamed (2014). The Ogaden. LULU. p. 25. ISBN 148340577X. Retrieved 30 January 2015.

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

The reason why the Darood and Isaaq stories are discredited quite often is because our history has been passed down to us orally. Therefore, theres a high probability that none of these individuals ever existed cause theres no written records to back up these claims.

There is his grave however.

Somalis should put money together to do a DNA test on his remains. It seems this debate will never end.