Abgaal macawiisley send out graphic threats to female kharijites

[Journey.]

You think moryaan militias know what deen rules are?

I was addressing posters in this thread who were saying execute/drone their (AS) women.

 

[johnsepei5]

Khawarij should not be treated like people or Human
There should be no limits on them

 

[World]

It's not permissible to intentionally kill non-combatants. Jihad has rules and conditions.

If there’s no Al Shabab fighter inside, then that would intentionally killing non combatants. Because there is, then it should be should drone striked. It’s targeting Al Shabab, not the non combatants.

 

[Aurelian]

Animals, what you expect.

 

[Journey.]

If there’s no Al Shabab fighter inside, then that would intentionally killing non combatants. Because there is, then it should be should drone striked. It’s targeting Al Shabab, not the non combatants.

There's a whole chapter on fiqh of jihad, it's best to ask scholars about the permissibility of certain strategies/tactics used in warfare. I've not heard that it's permissible to intentionally kill non-combatants as long as you're taking out the enemy too. Accidental/unintentional killing can occur, but targeting their home knowing there are women and children inside is different.

 

[Haragwaafi]

If there’s no Al Shabab fighter inside, then that would intentionally killing non combatants. Because there is, then it should be should drone striked. It’s targeting Al Shabab, not the non combatants.

Advocating for the same tactic and strategy the Zionist entity uses in Gaza but hey it's only ok for us but not the J*ws

 

[World]

There's a whole chapter on fiqh of jihad, it's best to ask scholars about the permissibility of certain strategies/tactics used in warfare. I've not heard that it's permissible to intentionally kill non-combatants as long as you're taking out the enemy too. Accidental/unintentional killing can occur, but targeting their home knowing there are women and children inside is different.

I think you need to recognise that modern warfare is 5th generation warfare. Here is the history :
-1) Rank, 2) guerrilla, 3) formation, 4) insurgency, 5) hacking.

Those fiqh books were written in 1) rank based warfare and the type of combat situation a modern combatant sees today is fundamentally different to what the fiqh books wrote. It’s not a slight shift, it’s effectively 4 generations of paradigm shift of warfare from modern context.

Ignorantly trying to apply your fiqh from when people used swords and shields to modern warfare, will simply mean no islamic army will ever win any conflict and are destined to loose. Tell me how they would ever kill the wife of a combatant? They would have beheaded her, which is completely different to a drone strike on 3 al shabab fighters together in a home.

Al Shabab are 4th generation warfare, insurgency, 3 generations from when the books of fiqh were written. Good luck defeating them using 1st generation warfare tactics.

I wonder if you are saying this because you genuinely believe this, or whether to protect Al Shabab. If it was Ethiopia who was controlling Somalia, and not Al Shabab, would you say the same thing when we wanted to drone strike the home of Ethiopian militants if their wife and children were there?

 

[World]

Advocating for the same tactic and strategy the Zionist entity uses in Gaza but hey it's only ok for us but not the J*ws

Whether you like it or not, Jilib will be destroyed.

 

[aarkamudug]

 

[Journey.]

I think you need to recognise that modern warfare is 5th generation warfare. Here is the history :
-1) Rank, 2) guerrilla, 3) formation, 4) insurgency, 5) hacking.

Those fiqh books were written in 1) rank based warfare and the type of combat situation a modern combatant sees today is fundamentally different to what the fiqh books wrote. It’s not a slight shift, it’s effectively 4 generations of paradigm shift of warfare from modern context.

Ignorantly trying to apply your fiqh from when people used swords and shields to modern warfare, will simply mean no islamic army will ever win any conflict and are destined to loose.

This is why I said it's best to ask scholars. Yes times have changed and modern warfare is very different to how war was carried out in the past, but the Shari'ah still applies. You can't say we live in different times and do away with the religion. The scholars will make ijtihad based on novel situations deriving it from their deep knowledge and understanding of fiqh.

Tell me how they would ever kill the wife of a combatant? They would have beheaded her, which is completely different to a drone strike on 3 al shabab fighters together in a home.

Al Shabab are 4th generation warfare, insurgency, 3 generations from when the books of fiqh were written. Good luck defeating them using 1st generation warfare tactics.

I wonder if you are saying this because you genuinely believe this, or whether to protect Al Shabab. If it was Ethiopia who was controlling Somalia, and not Al Shabab, would you say the same thing when we wanted to drone strike the home of Ethiopian militants if their wife and children were there?

My opinions and your opinions are irrelevant. You can't decide something is halal/permitted simply because it makes sense to you. Unless you are a mujtahid in your own right you have to refer back to those who have knowledge and can tell you whether the strategies you employ in battle align with our religion or not. If you want victory in the battlefield it only comes from Allah.

Read about Salahuddin Al-Ayyubi and how he reconquered Palestine.

 

[Haragwaafi]

Whether you like it or not, Jilib will be destroyed.

Idc but that won't end AS as an group as long as there's no actual state in Somalia kkk

 

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This is why I said it's best to ask scholars. Yes times have changed and modern warfare is very different to how war was carried out in the past, but the Shari'ah still applies. You can't say we live in different times and do away with the religion. The scholars will make ijtihad based on novel situations deriving it from their deep knowledge and understanding of fiqh.



My opinions and your opinions are irrelevant. You can't decide something is halal/permitted simply because it makes sense to you. Unless you are a mujtahid in your own right you have to refer back to those who have knowledge and can tell you whether the strategies you employ in battle align with our religion or not. If you want victory in the battlefield it only comes from Allah.

Read about Salahuddin Al-Ayyubi and how he reconquered Palestine.

Did the muslims not use catapults on cities!

There are hadith on night raids with casualties you might want to look into.

Idc but that won't end AS as an group as long as there's no actual state in Somalia kkk

A core aspect of counter-insurgency is denying your enemy any safehaven.

I bet you wouldn’t criticize SL for shelling Las Canood.

 

[Haragwaafi]

A core aspect of counter-insurgency is denying your enemy any safehaven.

I bet you wouldn’t criticize SL for shelling Las Canood.

There was no insurgency in Laascanood nor there was a battle waged by SL army to take the city by force, however counter insurgency activities need there to be functional state where all security forces cooperate each other and share intelligence and since there's no state in much of Somalia the whole south is a save heaven for AS militants

 

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There was no insurgency in Laascanood nor there was a battle waged by SL army to take the city by force,

There was shelling of civilian settlements. What was SL fighting for if not to regain control of the city?

however counter insurgency activities need there to be functional state where all security forces cooperate each other and share intelligence and since there's no state in much of Somalia the whole south is a save heaven for AS militants

The whole south is not a safehaven.

Intelligence is a must but it can not makeup for the fact that AS has a stable headquarters/base.

Insurgency is based on 7 principles outlined by Mao. The SNA isnt capable of countering on one front.

• Arousing and organizing the people.
• Achieving internal unification politically.
• Establishing bases.
• Equipping forces.
• Recovering national strength.
• Destroying the enemy's national strength.
• Regaining lost territories.

 

[Haragwaafi]

There was shelling of civilian settlements. What was SL fighting for if not to regain control of the city?

Goojacade was a SL military base that the khaatumo forces wanted to take as the elders called for SL forces to leave the district completely which happened in a disastrous way as some of he units where the order didn't reach got captured as POWs.

The whole south is not a safehaven.

Intelligence is a must but it can not makeup for the fact that AS has a stable headquarters/base.

the whole south where there's no state institution presence make it a safe heaven for insurgent groups as the Xamar govt doesn't have a vision or program on how to combat AS