Addressing the possible origin of Somali “Jouke”

I believe it's a regional wear. @Shimbiris touched on how Northeast Africa and Arabia belong to the same cultural region. They even dressed in the same white robe motif .

Went over it on this thread with pictures and drawings: Have a read
Even in the early modern era the inhabitants of the Horn, Sudan, Southern Egypt (Lower Nubia) and Chad largely dressed in that white-robes motif:

The Horn and Arabia have influenced each other for millennia.

It makes me laugh when they single out Labo Oo Go(Two Robes) as uniquely and distinctly Somali , when Arabians wore the exact same thing . They call it Ihram clothing.

Medieval Islamic Civilization

pre - Islamic Arabian mode of dress was characterized by loose , flowing , untailored garments
Even in the pre modern period you saw a few Arabian tribes to continue wear it.

This was pretty common , even greeks and the romans used to dress like that with the Toga, until it became gradually more common to wear tailored fitted garments expressing wealth and a greater access to fabrics through trade or production.

There are other examples like the short dagger that both Somali, Afar and Omanis/Yemenis carry. So regionally we just share a lot of the same style.



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Somalis have been wearing this attire since the 9th century. This was recorded by the Chinese during that period.
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https://www.jstor.org/stable/3087496
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This is a description of Northern Eastern Somalis in 1242 by the Chinese

I want to add another description but of North Westerners. Tailored Thobes and colorful robes was worn by Somalis throughout the middle ages. Here is a description of Awdal leaders dress code from the 1400s

''And the robes of the Sultan and those of his leaders were adorned with silver and shone on all sides'' Exact description of the dress code of the guys in picture up above, especially the one in the middle.

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''And the dagger he [the sultan] carried at this side was richly adorned with gold and precious stones''

The dagger decorations is probably similar to this based on the descriptions in the above text.
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A Somali North-Western Qolxad Dagger.

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Yemeni Jambiya Dagger
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Now that this article of clothing has started trending all over Somali social media, I’m going to lay out a hypothesis I’ve had for quite awhile now concerning it’s origins.


I’ve seen users attribute it to the Omani Jouke. although they do wear a variant of it themselves i don’t believe it’s origins have anything to do with them. Their sphere of influence in Somalia never expanded beyond the Banaadiri coast yet we have examples from every clan affiliation out there that this cloak was widespread.


this jacket is also found in Sudan and I believe one user even posted Chadian sheikhs wearing them.

Now what empire in history controlled from Sudan to Oman and demanded tribute paid in tax from the pre Islamic inhabitants of Somalia…

You see where I’m going with this now? I think it’s Axum.

Now lay down the pitch forks y’all. Habeshas actually still wear this cloak. It’s called the kaba (lol) and it’s very pretty. Below I’ll post some examples.








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Habeshas have never credited this clothing to anyone but themselves and from the geophysical span this mysterious cloak is found… I believe I found the missing link finally.

Reer Cush @Khaemwaset @Internet Nomad @Cush we just took a huge W. The Somali “Jouke” is not only our culture for over 1k years it’s also African and Cushitic.
 

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It gets hyped up like the somali restaurant and then you hear everyone saying they will get the “somali thobe” this eid. Somali business start opening left and right to cater to this new found demand. Its revived back home and becomes the predominant thobe type. Business men and politicians drop the suits and return back to the regal look as an outward sign of wadanimo.

Cultural Revolution ensues.
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The good timeline inshallah we need this I know too many niggas planning on making this
 
I suspect this deisgn like people on here have said is the somali variation on this regional attire. It's incredibly normal that we have simialr or shared clothing considering we have been interacting for millenia and have similar climates. On top of there being entire tribes migrating from both sides. It would be weirder if we didn't share it.
 

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Somalia have traded with Arabia for centuries, shared the same religion for millenia, eat similar foods to Yemen but we wonder where how the clothes are similar?

It doesn’t who came up with it first, can we just agree that it’s not a massive stretch of imagination that neighbouring communities with linguistic, religious and commercial connections actually have similarities?

:hmm:
 
It is kind of amazing but weird how little influence you see from ethiopia on somali clothing or culutral practices. I honestly can't think of one practice we share with them except maybe that we have our somali injera. Which is weird becuase it almost makes it seem like somalis didn't trade with ethiopians for millenia.
 

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Now that this article of clothing has started trending all over Somali social media, I’m going to lay out a hypothesis I’ve had for quite awhile now concerning it’s origins.


I’ve seen users attribute it to the Omani Jouke. although they do wear a variant of it themselves i don’t believe it’s origins have anything to do with them. Their sphere of influence in Somalia never expanded beyond the Banaadiri coast yet we have examples from every clan affiliation out there that this cloak was widespread.


this jacket is also found in Sudan and I believe one user even posted Chadian sheikhs wearing them.

Now what empire in history controlled from Sudan to Oman and demanded tribute paid in tax from the pre Islamic inhabitants of Somalia…

You see where I’m going with this now? I think it’s Axum.

Now lay down the pitch forks y’all. Habeshas actually still wear this cloak. It’s called the kaba (lol) and it’s very pretty. Below I’ll post some examples.








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Habeshas have never credited this clothing to anyone but themselves and from the geophysical span this mysterious cloak is found… I believe I found the missing link finally.

Reer Cush @Khaemwaset @Internet Nomad @Cush we just took a huge W. The Somali “Jouke” is not only our culture for over 1k years it’s also African and Cushitic.
Egyptian Orthodox Copts look similar to Ethiopian clothes tbh not Somali
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It is kind of amazing but weird how little influence you see from ethiopia on somali clothing or culutral practices. I honestly can't think of one practice we share with them except maybe that we have our somali injera. Which is weird becuase it almost makes it seem like somalis didn't trade with ethiopians for millenia.
Even our swords are radically different in approach.
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Somalia have traded with Arabia for centuries, shared the same religion for millenia, eat similar foods to Yemen but we wonder where how the clothes are similar?

It doesn’t who came up with it first, can we just agree that it’s not a massive stretch of imagination that neighbouring communities with linguistic, religious and commercial connections actually have similarities?

:hmm:
So… where are the yemenis with this clothing then as an example?
 

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Now that this article of clothing has started trending all over Somali social media, I’m going to lay out a hypothesis I’ve had for quite awhile now concerning it’s origins.


I’ve seen users attribute it to the Omani Jouke. although they do wear a variant of it themselves i don’t believe it’s origins have anything to do with them. Their sphere of influence in Somalia never expanded beyond the Banaadiri coast yet we have examples from every clan affiliation out there that this cloak was widespread.


this jacket is also found in Sudan and I believe one user even posted Chadian sheikhs wearing them.

Now what empire in history controlled from Sudan to Oman and demanded tribute paid in tax from the pre Islamic inhabitants of Somalia…

You see where I’m going with this now? I think it’s Axum.

Now lay down the pitch forks y’all. Habeshas actually still wear this cloak. It’s called the kaba (lol) and it’s very pretty. Below I’ll post some examples.








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Habeshas have never credited this clothing to anyone but themselves and from the geophysical span this mysterious cloak is found… I believe I found the missing link finally.

Reer Cush @Khaemwaset @Internet Nomad @Cush we just took a huge W. The Somali “Jouke” is not only our culture for over 1k years it’s also African and Cushitic.
Jouke doesn’t have much similarity to Kaba’s outside of the tassels and accessories. If I were to attribute when/where these robes came from, I would guess sometime during the Middle Ages it gained widespread use because Mogadishu was exporting luxurious clothes during that time all across East Africa and the Muslim world which Ibn Battuta described as having had no peer.
 
My post: Somali men formal attire, the Somali caftan

I posted my hypothesis regarding the origins of what I like to call “Maro Boqor” few months ago before the “jouke” started to trend. I concluded at the end of my research that this piece is a result of the Mesopotamian Caftan reaching each corner of the world including Somali lands.

Ps: I can not find a single source attributing the title or name “Jouke” to this piece.
 

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Bump: was going through old Somali Sufi videos my family used to watch and realized the coat was still worn recently. Don’t ask me why I didn’t remember earlier it genuinely never registered to me 😂




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sheekh cumar aadan is from jabuuti. Looks like the coat is still produced in your area.

Once again another Sufi W persevering the culture better then everyone else
 
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My post: Somali men formal attire, the Somali caftan

I posted my hypothesis regarding the origins of what I like to call “Maro Boqor” few months ago before the “jouke” started to trend. I concluded at the end of my research that this piece is a result of the Mesopotamian Caftan reaching each corner of the world including Somali lands.

Ps: I can not find a single source attributing the title or name “Jouke” to this piece.
Very good read mashallah. I like your theory. That could’ve been the case for habeshas too
 

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Bump: was going through old Somali Sufi videos my family used to watch and realized the coat was still worn recently. Don’t ask me why I didn’t remember earlier it genuinely never registered to me 😂




@Khaemwaset




sheekh cumar aadan is from jabuuti. Looks like the coat is still produced in your area.

Once again another Sufi W persevering the culture better then everyone else
They both have the maaro and the curved sword that only been found in pictures so far. This video doesn’t look older than 30 or so years so this could give us a trail to a place where the culture is still alive or within living memory.

Great find saxib.
 
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Somalis have been wearing this attire since the 9th century. This was recorded by the Chinese during that period.
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https://www.jstor.org/stable/3087496
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Lol somali aristocrat's didn't want to wear the common and old wrapping garments so they picked up on the garments of aristocrat's they traded with. If this thobe off shoot is Somali culture then the common Somali people would have been wearing a lower standard version (made of cotton for example).

A garment that not even 1% of Somali society was wearing isn't going to be considered historical and cultural garment.
 

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The jouke is not sudaness its somali the sudanese most likely wore it due to trade with us.
 

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