Afar assimilation

[Zak12]

What happened 500 years ago shouldn't harm our close relations.

Exactly. Plenty of countries that are at peace with each other now have a brutal history with one another (France-UK, Japan-Korea, America-Mexico, Turkey-Greece), and I wouldn't even remotely compare Somali-Eritrean historical relations like those examples because it was rarely ever that brutal lol.

 

[EritreanPost_]

Eritrean Muslims and Christians never fought each other.

the Christians of Eritrean even gave refugee to the family of the prophet.

but it was Ethiopian kings like Ras Alula, Ras Yohannes and Tedros who persecuted Christians in Ethiopia not Eritrea.

only Tigrays occupation of Medri Bahri by Ras Alula, they persecuted Nara and Kunama ppl and fought against Saho, Hamasien (Christians)

The Ethiopian Highlander elites were despised by all Eritreans.

so I don’t know how u bring the Adal-Abessinia conflict and drag Eritrean Christians and Muslims in it

Typo: Ethiopian King Ras Alula Ras Yohannes and Tedros persecuted muslims not the Eritrean kings of Medri Bahri

 

[Idilinaa]

Sad to hear what happened to Eritrean Christians but it is what it is. Gurey's actions were in direct response to what Ethiopian Christians were doing against Muslims for centuries so unfortunately Eritrean Christians got caught up in the cross fire during his invasions. I know for a fact that no Eritrean Christian kingdom or soldiers attacked Somalis, during that era we kind of viewed all Habesha Christians as the same lol.

That is in the past however and the Adal attacks were an anomaly anyways. Eritrean Christians and Somalis have lived peacefully next to each other for centuries and still do.

In fact, IIRC the Eritrean Oriental Orthodox Church has now cut ties with the Ethiopian churches anyways lol

I feel for Eritreans they were always victimized and held hostage by Ethiopians, also caught in the cross fire and usually because they sided with Ethiopia and became their tributaries out of survival and act of 'self perservation'' as the portuguese have called it.

The advantage Christian Ethiopia had was their massive numbers and they was occupying a the fertile land in the central highlands to sustain that number, usually by stealing peasant production and forcing them into armies n mass.

Only Somalis had the resources and strength to match against that and fend them off.

To the point of @EritreanPost_ Just can look no further to see how progressive and beautifully built Asmara and Keren was in the early 20th century and compare it to the misery of Ethiopias capitals of Axum and Gondar. Unlike those places Keren and Asmara were a cosmpolitan trading hubs where christians and muslim lived in productive lives with eachother.

Christian and Muslim co-existence in Eritrea has a rich legacy.

https://via.library.depaul.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2527&context=vincentiana

In general, Christian-Moslem coexistence in Eritrea has a rich legacy, in spite of the continuous conflicts that occur. Moreover it was strengthened by the same fate that all Eritreans were subject to during 30 years of struggle. During the thirty-year war Eritreans tried to help and console each other without regard to faith. They worked with each other and, as part of their tradition, were hospitable to everyone. The bond of unity was strongest among the patriots who were fighting a common enemy. Even at ordinary levels one notices that Christians and Moslems interact without much distinction. It is normal to see them together as friends: gathering, talking, and working together in offices, schools, hospitals, etc. Among Christians and Moslems who were converted from Christianity to Islam one finds people belonging to the same tribe, using the same social rites and having both Islamic and Christian habits

This is the most important point because this continues to prove that the anti-Muslim leanings are centered with Ethiopia, when Eritrea was annexed and under the foot of Ethiopia it carried out neglect of the Muslim communities but then when Eritreans achieved independence they didn't and went far and beyond to provide development projects to Muslim communities and oppening up schools and medical facitilies in even remote areas.

Before independence all the infrastructure of the country was concentrated in the highlands, while the lowlands were almost completely abandoned. Schools, health centers, factories, administrative offices, and other facilities were all in the highlands. After independence the government took a different orientation. The government had as a policy that all development projects were to be distributed throughout the country according to its possibilities. Schools were to be opened in remote areas of the country to combat ignorance, which is the cause of fundamentalist tendencies. Health centers were to be opened in the remote areas as well

Ethiopia is completely the opposite they are Christian crusading genocidal colonial zionist lunatics. They don't want peaceful co-existencee, its baked in their state ideology and approved by their western supporters.

 

[Idilinaa]

Yeah Ciise were divided by coastal and hinterlands populations, historically.

Cisse were sailors/fishermen on the coast , townsmen/merchants in the cities and were farmers and pastoralists, carravaners in the hinterland. They participated in all forms of economic subsistence.

I don't think there's any real desert in Somali peninsula, like in Arabia. That ajnabi imagine when they speak about Muslims and Camels. Just very Arid at best. But still would have enough vegetation for Livestock.

You can also see that it's different from the northern-western Arabian and sahara landscape, because our temporary camp dwellings are more elaborate and are suited to a more sustained settlement, then the Bedouin tents that you see. The geography/land of Somalis can support a large population of variety of livestock not just camels. Somalis own millions of cows, sheeps, goats , donkeys and horse breeding grounds , that wouldn't be possible if it was a barren dry landscape. How would you feed and sustain them?

There is a significant vegetation throughout for fuel and many seasonal rivers, water falls, cannals and man made lakes to sustain yourself with availability of water in many areas and under ground reservoirs as well.

Somali Rivers, Lakes, Waterfalls, and Canals | Picture...

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This misrepresentation borders on criminal because it hides how advantages Somalis have been in the land they posses and how they have been able to exploit their resources.

Somalia's Historical Geographical Advantages over Sub-Saharan Africa: (Summary) Part 1

I was asked to make this one last thread that i had planned, before i exit. I shared this video to @Midas in another thread, but then i came to realize that many of the setbacks and geographical disadvantages underscored in this video for Sub-Saharan Africa does not apply to Somalia at all...

www.somalispot.com

 

[Farahslayer]

Somalis don’t assimilate, we only excommunicate.

There’s never been a large assimilation of another group into somalinimo. I think that’s ok. Assimilation is mostly forced and it’s kinda evil. We need to stop losing people though.

 

[Idilinaa]

Somalis don’t assimilate, we only excommunicate.

There’s never been a large assimilation of another group into somalinimo. I think that’s ok. Assimilation is mostly forced and it’s kinda evil. We need to stop losing people though.

No Somalis actually assimilate, the more accurate ascription would be integrate and include.

The Somali kinship system is based around inclusion not exclusion: It makes sense because we were always trying form new connections.

Found this passage that kinda explains the inclusionary nature of Somali clanhood

You can also see the inclusionary nature in how various types of newcomers, guests etc are incorporated into the clan system via the abaan system in the towns or sheegad in the rural areas etc and also the non-nepotism in the egalitarian nature of the city councils that gave everyone an equal say and role in the decision making process.

There is some truths to what you say though, historically you can be excommunicated but only if you leave the fold and join another cultural/religious community. Or betray the community and get banished for it. Here it's more of protecting the in-group from corruption, abuse and exploitation.

In a lot of cases if the kinship ties are sustained, the communication continues to be maintained and you can be brought back to the fold at any given moment even if you join another community. That's how Somalis sustained connection with one another when they left to live abroad.

 

[Idilinaa]

Precisely what I was speaking about with someone in an earlier thread. They pull up a picture of kismayo and say its all desert. Its only on the coast somalia is extremely diverse in geography. Even the parts that look like desert on satellite those are not desert. Theres loads of land where u will not see settlement for days

The funny part about it, they are even trying posit before that the southern coast was colonies by foreigners. I can guarantee you no one would settle on the coast from the outside because it's mostly just surrounded with sand dunes. And you saw zero outsiders make settlements on the coast in the 19th-20th century either.

So the coast was set up mostly as commercial outlets from the production of the interior. The interior producers would settle and bring their produce to trade with.

The purple coloured areas in the Somali peninsula are called the Somali acaci–commiphora bushlands and thickets. It's an ecoregion mostly made up of semi-arid tropical grasslands, savannas, and shrublands.

So it is rich in woodlands and vegetation throughout.

Kismayo is a perfect example because it was originally a coastal fishing village inhabited by Garre-Tunni-Bajun that was transformed into a trading port founded by Harti-Majerteen traders in the 19th century and it's connected to the production of the fertile Waamo region i Juba Hose

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

The funny part about it, they are even trying posit before that the southern coast was colonies by foreigners. I can guarantee you no one would settle on the coast from the outside because it's mostly just surrounded with sand dunes. And you saw zero outsiders make settlements on the coast in the 19th-20th century either.

So the coast was set up mostly as commercial outlets from the production of the interior. The interior producers would settle and bring their produce to trade with.

The purple coloured areas in the Somali peninsula are called the Somali acaci–commiphora bushlands and thickets. It's an ecoregion mostly made up of semi-arid tropical grasslands, savannas, and shrublands.

So it is rich in woodlands and vegetation throughout.

Kismayo is a perfect example because it was originally a coastal fishing village inhabited by Garre-Tunni-Bajun that was transformed into a trading port founded by Harti-Majerteen traders in the 19th century and it's connected to the production of the fertile Waamo region i Juba Hose

@Hilmaam Very good insight @Idilinaa and it was what I was trying to get at with it being much more green in the interior.

And I agree people claim all these cities was created by oman with the swahili coasts its absolutely ridiculous

acaci–commiphora was the term I was looking for and basically encompasses all of somaliweyn..

 

[Idilinaa]

@Hilmaam Very good insight @Idilinaa and it was what I was trying to get at with it being much more green in the interior.

And I agree people claim all these cities was created by oman with the swahili coasts its absolutely ridiculous

Not Oman but they used to claim benadir to be an a foreign enclave but it's been thrown out because of historical description which describe it being inhabited by pastoralist Somalis who possessed large herds of camels connected to the riverrine farming settlements in the interior.

Kilwa and some more southern Swahili coastal locations might have been a foreign enclave though i suspect, because they operated like one and has a different geography from southern Somalia, it is covered with greenery and dense forests and they just raided the interior which remained largely non-muslim.

acaci–commiphora was the term I was looking for and basically encompasses all of somaliweyn..

Somalia is also covered with Hyphaene compressa

Hyphaene compressa - Wikipedia

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This palm tree is very abundant in Eastern Africa and is a vital socioeconomic resource to the rural pastoralist and agro-pastoralists there.[

and phoenix dactylifera in the north - north west