Afrocentrists claiming Natufians were black

[Idilinaa]

I was under the impression that we were introduced to agriculture from the Nile Valley (Egypt & Sudan)?

We were introduced to pastorialism and started collecting wild grains to supplement our diet.

But most of the plant inventions/domestications happened in the horn as an extension from what began in Southern Egypt/Eastern Sudan , for the most part.

On the Antiquity of Agriculture in Ethiopia* | The Journal of African History | Cambridge Core

On the Antiquity of Agriculture in Ethiopia* - Volume 20 Issue 2

www.cambridge.org

. Moreover, the inventions of grain cultivation in particular, both in Ethiopia and separately in the Near East, seem rooted in a single, still earlier subsistence invention of North-east Africa, the intensive utilization of wild grains, beginning probably by or before 13,000 b.c.

The correlation of linguistic evidence with archaeology suggests that this food-collecting innovation may have been the work of early Afroasiatic-speaking communities and may have constituted the particular economic advantage which gave impetus to the first stages of Afroasiatic expansion into Ethiopia and the Horn, the Sahara and North Africa, and parts of the Near East.

 

[Journey.]

Where did I say I have a problem with people identifying as Black or White? People can identify as they wish, and I'll always respect it. I just ask that they do the same in return.

I don't know where you're from, but growing up, we weren't considered Black, not even by white people or even Black people themselves. Fast forward to 2024, and apparently there was never any debate. Miss me with that bullshit.

I meant we call other dark-skinned Africans "black"/"madow". They also have unique identities and cultures but we don't have a problem labeling them "madow" whenever we refer to them. When it comes to us we're too unique, too different and we suddenly remember that race is a social construct anyway. But you had no problems using it for other groups of people? This is what I was highlighting. I see this behaviour a lot.

 

[Araabi]

They are absolutely right despite their nonsensical propaganda. Prophet Musa عليه السلام is described in both Islamic and Biblical literature as someone who was extremely dark skinned to the point of jet black even though he was an Israelite. The early Israelites were very high in Natufian which meant they had darker skin. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said when he saw Prophet Musa he looked like a man from a black Arab tribe in the Arabian Peninsula.

 

[Rayaale]

Natufians were dark but not black.

Correct map of Natufian ancestry.

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Why is Kenya circled i thought it was majority Bantu and Nilotic

 

[Rayaale]

This idea of Black and not Black is irrelevant when dealing with ancient people who existed on very different genetic variations. "Back" during the paleolithic, the were no Black people as in there were no "White" people, neither did the Asians look overall similar genetically to what they do today, besides the ones with high hunter-gatherer ancestry who are only a fraction of the Eurasian populations.

Natufians were not White, and neither were they Middle Eastern as in today's Lebanese. Natufians consist of a portion of their ancestry. Europeans have Anatolian Neolithic ancestry, this does not make modern Europeans Middle Easterners or synonymous with Neolithic farmers.

Natufians did have 30% African ancestry, that is for sure. Half of that was late Stone Age Middle Eastern stuff, but still, it came out of Africa after staying for 10-7 ky.

Speaking to the majority of people on this forum, stop making matters of genetics into your weird political agenda. It's ignorant and obnoxious.

As far as ancient Egypt was concerned, those people would have been darker in the early dynasties, and then when they mixed with Levantine Delta people who were likely more demographically dense, they mixed themselves into more West Asian-like.

My idea is that the early dynasties with heavy in Cushitic ancestry, heavy in ANA with what resembles Natufian but with more endemic stuff since the paleolithic.

Saudis and Yemenis have the highest Natufian ancestry

 

[NidarNidar]

Why is Kenya circled i thought it was majority Bantu and Nilotic

Our south cushitic cousins arrived in Kenya around 5-6,000, they built many earth works and water channels, and megalithic structures for tracking seasons using stars etc.. they got absorbed by Nilotes and expanding Bantus, the only group that survived is the Iraqw in Tanzania, they even brought pastoralism to the Khoisan( Khoekhoe).

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[Step a side]

Why is Kenya circled i thought it was majority Bantu and Nilotic

darkest tone +30%
medium tone between 10% and 30% lightest tone betweeen 5% and 10%

As @NidarNidar explained there are many groups in Kenya that have Natufian like ancestry ranging from 10%-30%. They might speak Bantu or Nilotic languages but their ancestors absorbed the Cushitic speaking natives

 

[Nin123]

Natufian are lost tribe of Israel who went to Somalia peninsula and mixed with ancient extinct black who are not related to Nilotic people.

 

[NidarNidar]

darkest tone +30%
medium tone between 10% and 30% lightest tone betweeen 5% and 10%

As @NidarNidar explained there are many groups in Kenya that have Natufian like ancestry ranging from 10%-30%. They might speak Bantu or Nilotic languages but their ancestors absorbed the Cushitic speaking natives

It's not surprising Arabs are high in Natufian ancestry, they've intermingled in the levant since the Pre-Pottery Neolithic B alongside T in the fertile crescent, J1 and T originally came from Zagros mountain and were goat herders, they married Natufian women, they originally probably had a mix of CHG, ANF and INF.

 

[canjeeroiyoshah]

I meant we call other dark-skinned Africans "black"/"madow". They also have unique identities and cultures but we don't have a problem labeling them "madow" whenever we refer to them. When it comes to us we're too unique, too different and we suddenly remember that race is a social construct anyway. But you had no problems using it for other groups of people? This is what I was highlighting. I see this behaviour a lot.

Historically, Somalis never referred to Bantus or other African populations as "madow."

Besides, they proudly claim this black identity so what's wrong with calling them madow?

 

[Journey.]

Historically, Somalis never referred to Bantus or other African populations as "madow."

Besides, they proudly claim this black identity so what's wrong with calling them madow?

They claim their tribes/ethnic groups. They also have people among them who reject being labeled "black" like we do. I don't have a problem calling people black, white, etc., but I also recognise that we are black ourselves. I just don't understand people who also use the labels but get offended when they are regraded as black themselves.