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Two wrongs do not make a right. I would fight you without targeting your civilians.
Al Abeed neighborhood in Gaza.
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OP is the guy who talks shit about a friend who has everyone turned against them unjustly and even goes as far as talking down to people trying to help the friend out by exposing the unjustified treatment under public scrutiny. After such a nasty display of betrayal, he still calls himself a good friend despite aiding the enemy.
That friend could have some negative character traits, but you don't expose them when people are trying to take them down on false accusations -- and that is when you suddenly feel the need to talk openly about it. When their life are in danger too. That's only what a dirty traitor would do.
I bet you Afro-Palestinians would f*ck you up if they saw this thread with your phony, timely misplaced sympathy. You're their enemy as well because you're literally doing the Kafir tactic of divide and conquer. You try to exploit cracks in their time of weakness, everyone involved, and then you seek to widen it and weaken it for them to be defeated more easily and the enemies of Islam to exploit it.
People like you are the reason we have such oppression.
But here is the truth on the ground from them directly:
βMy family have been in the Old City since 1922,β says Mahmoud Jaddeh. βMy father first moved to Jerusalem from the village Twe in Chad, after performing the pilgrimage to Mecca to obtain the title of Haj Maqdessi [a Muslim who performs the pilgrimage to Mecca and Jerusalem].β
Any holder of this title would receive high social status back home, but Jaddehβs father chose to stay in the Old City to defend it against Zionist ambitions.
βNobody can remain silent when seeing the city in which he was born and lives being occupied by foreign forcesβ
"Jaddeh was born in 1949 during a defining period in the history of Palestinian disenfranchisement, and from an early age he recognised his freedom as something he needed to fight for. After Israel occupied Jerusalem in 1967, Jaddehβs generation of Afro-Palestinians took up their forebearsβ fight and joined in the struggle against the occupation. Jaddeh was only nineteen when the Israeli state arrested him together with his cousin Ali in 1968. His brother, Abdullah, was among four other members of the community who were deported to Jordan the same year. Jaddeh was sentenced to 25 years while his cousin Ali was sentenced to 20, but both were released in 1985 as part of a prisoner swap (the Jibril Agreement, during which Israel released 1,150 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for three Israeli soldiers who were captured by Palestinians in Lebanon).
βI was in Israeli prisons for 17 years,β Jaddeh says. βMy father died during that time, and when I was finally released, so much had changed. The iron plates that formed part of my house had been replaced with stone bricks. Two brothers-in-law were living there. At the time, I found it very difficult to recognize the new generations of the African community who were born while I was serving my term in prison.β And still, even as Jaddeh struggled to adjust to all that was now unfamiliar, he could see that the injustices he had been imprisoned for resisting all those years ago were as present as ever."
"Jaddeh recalls an attack on 29th September 2000, by the Israeli police on Palestinian demonstrators in the yards of al-Aqsa Mosque. Palestinians were protesting against the notorious visit of the late Israeli Premier Ariel Sharon, a visit which sparked the second intifada. Jaddehβs 23-year-old nephew Osama, on his way to donate blood for those injured during attacks, was shot dead by Israeli police outside al-Makassed Hospital."
Stop using these people as a way to undermine their plight.
You're exaggerating the issue they have to cause friction and divide among Muslims. Again, Afro-Palestinians are part and parcel of that society and have fought in the struggle, and suffered with their Palestinian brethren. Every household had people imprisoned -- people died as well -- killed by the Zionists. They have some issues, but no one is arguing against this. But like all societies, it is not some severe social discrimination where they face impossible hardships from other Palestinians. This is a lie that you want to prop up on purpose to fabricate and frame the Palestinians as some people unworthy, or less worthy of sympathy.
There is some racism here and there, like in the West and everywhere else. There is disagreements among inter-marriages on both side which is understandable, as we all have this everywhere even among within ethnic groups. But akin to how there is racism in the West, none of us are struggling like the fucking America in the 1940s. The fact that you chose to blow it out of proportion in the first place tells us clearly you're out here to do damage to the Palestinian struggle. Just like how the Israelis do and the rest of the Kafir collective.
I can also see how you instrumentalize strong language deliberately to play on historical Western racial baggage of stark racial discrepancy on societal functions which is severe in kind and extrapolate that unto Palestinians, a total fallacy of comparison, by referring to them as "White Palestinians." Your language even exposes that you're malicious. Because Palestinians are not "White." You're deliberately doing what people call the Zionists as they're from the settler colonial background and "White" European in origin. In the same way, you use "White" to portray the high contrast between the "Black." The latter, a group that is supposedly a distinct group -- which is not correct. They are one people, in their own words.
That friend could have some negative character traits, but you don't expose them when people are trying to take them down on false accusations -- and that is when you suddenly feel the need to talk openly about it. When their life are in danger too. That's only what a dirty traitor would do.
I bet you Afro-Palestinians would f*ck you up if they saw this thread with your phony, timely misplaced sympathy. You're their enemy as well because you're literally doing the Kafir tactic of divide and conquer. You try to exploit cracks in their time of weakness, everyone involved, and then you seek to widen it and weaken it for them to be defeated more easily and the enemies of Islam to exploit it.
People like you are the reason we have such oppression.
But here is the truth on the ground from them directly:
βMy family have been in the Old City since 1922,β says Mahmoud Jaddeh. βMy father first moved to Jerusalem from the village Twe in Chad, after performing the pilgrimage to Mecca to obtain the title of Haj Maqdessi [a Muslim who performs the pilgrimage to Mecca and Jerusalem].β
Any holder of this title would receive high social status back home, but Jaddehβs father chose to stay in the Old City to defend it against Zionist ambitions.
βNobody can remain silent when seeing the city in which he was born and lives being occupied by foreign forcesβ
"Jaddeh was born in 1949 during a defining period in the history of Palestinian disenfranchisement, and from an early age he recognised his freedom as something he needed to fight for. After Israel occupied Jerusalem in 1967, Jaddehβs generation of Afro-Palestinians took up their forebearsβ fight and joined in the struggle against the occupation. Jaddeh was only nineteen when the Israeli state arrested him together with his cousin Ali in 1968. His brother, Abdullah, was among four other members of the community who were deported to Jordan the same year. Jaddeh was sentenced to 25 years while his cousin Ali was sentenced to 20, but both were released in 1985 as part of a prisoner swap (the Jibril Agreement, during which Israel released 1,150 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for three Israeli soldiers who were captured by Palestinians in Lebanon).
βI was in Israeli prisons for 17 years,β Jaddeh says. βMy father died during that time, and when I was finally released, so much had changed. The iron plates that formed part of my house had been replaced with stone bricks. Two brothers-in-law were living there. At the time, I found it very difficult to recognize the new generations of the African community who were born while I was serving my term in prison.β And still, even as Jaddeh struggled to adjust to all that was now unfamiliar, he could see that the injustices he had been imprisoned for resisting all those years ago were as present as ever."
"Jaddeh recalls an attack on 29th September 2000, by the Israeli police on Palestinian demonstrators in the yards of al-Aqsa Mosque. Palestinians were protesting against the notorious visit of the late Israeli Premier Ariel Sharon, a visit which sparked the second intifada. Jaddehβs 23-year-old nephew Osama, on his way to donate blood for those injured during attacks, was shot dead by Israeli police outside al-Makassed Hospital."
Stop using these people as a way to undermine their plight.
You're exaggerating the issue they have to cause friction and divide among Muslims. Again, Afro-Palestinians are part and parcel of that society and have fought in the struggle, and suffered with their Palestinian brethren. Every household had people imprisoned -- people died as well -- killed by the Zionists. They have some issues, but no one is arguing against this. But like all societies, it is not some severe social discrimination where they face impossible hardships from other Palestinians. This is a lie that you want to prop up on purpose to fabricate and frame the Palestinians as some people unworthy, or less worthy of sympathy.
There is some racism here and there, like in the West and everywhere else. There is disagreements among inter-marriages on both side which is understandable, as we all have this everywhere even among within ethnic groups. But akin to how there is racism in the West, none of us are struggling like the fucking America in the 1940s. The fact that you chose to blow it out of proportion in the first place tells us clearly you're out here to do damage to the Palestinian struggle. Just like how the Israelis do and the rest of the Kafir collective.
I can also see how you instrumentalize strong language deliberately to play on historical Western racial baggage of stark racial discrepancy on societal functions which is severe in kind and extrapolate that unto Palestinians, a total fallacy of comparison, by referring to them as "White Palestinians." Your language even exposes that you're malicious. Because Palestinians are not "White." You're deliberately doing what people call the Zionists as they're from the settler colonial background and "White" European in origin. In the same way, you use "White" to portray the high contrast between the "Black." The latter, a group that is supposedly a distinct group -- which is not correct. They are one people, in their own words.
Thanks for your informative paragraphs. He does come across a traitor and an enemy or maybe heβs just very dim? Iβve tried to explain this to him but still he continues to argue and then has the audacity to act self-righteous.
@Karbaaash read his points and I hope you actually learn a thing or two.
@Karbaaash what youβre doing is haram. Donβt try to undermine Palestinians at such a crucial time. The source of that video is one article from years ago. Why highlight an unverified claim at a time like now?
Iβll insert Zionists into this conversation when youβre bringing up their racism at a time when Palestinians have being obliterated and their abuse and deaths are being justified on the world wide stage. Theyβre being gaslighted and their suffering isnβt being taken seriously, yet here you are, a Muslim who has deliberately chosen a time when they need all the support they can get but you choose to tear them down and create the impression theyβre not worthy of our support and solidarity.Im not gonna entertain you anymore just known on the day of judgement youβll answer for your lies and assumption. Good luckHow low iq must you be to insert yahuuds the enemies of islam into this convo when were speaking about racism within the ummah. May god punish you for going against the haqq.
Afro-Palestinians need your support in the face of Zionism, not this. Also where is your proof that Afro-Palestinians are being abused by Arab Palestinians on a grand scale? Are they killed by Arabs? Denied access to health care? Denied jobs? What exactly are the Arabs doing that you know off?!
PIJ Blog : The daily struggles of the Afro-Palestinian community in Jerusalem By Jugal Bhinde
An independent publication, with an often critical voice, the Palestine-Israel Journal provides background material and in-depth analysis of various aspects of the conflict from the perspective of both sides, thus helping to shed light on the complex issues dividing Israelis and Palestinians and...
All the articles and journals Iβve read on Afro-Arabs talk about their struggle in the face of Israeli soldiers and guards. Theyβre abused and victimized by them primarily. Yet here you are trying to play divide and conquer when In the words of Afro-Arabs the struggles of the Palestinians is in fact their biggest struggle and oppression.
And if the civilians are settlers strategically positioned, and only there to further advance the displacement of your family, and to take the land, would you still hold that view?
Before you answer that, suppose this map is Somalia, in the red on the left TODAY, and it is planned to be all white in 20 years.
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Firstly there are hardly any Black Palestinians. Theyβre a very small community situated in East Jerusalem living their since the 30s who are originally from Chad. There are supposedly 430 members many of whom mixed as their men actually even married Palestinian farmer women.
Is the wider Arab world racist? Yes. But acting like Palestine has a big Afro-Black community like the Saudis, Omanis and Yemenis is ridiculous.
They used to have decent population until the French-British drew the lines in Middle East and Israel when more then 500K Palestinian left palastine/israel
In today there is at least 50-100K of Afro Arabs in Jordon.
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Brainwashed civilians are still civilians. I still hold that view.
Then, no matter how much I wanted to fight, men of fighting age in my community would surrender in no time.
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Sums up the unpleasant truth.
I sympathize with OP's point, but you have to be dense as f*ck to understand why people would care more about the genocide in Palestine compared to the one in Burma.
Quite the submissive pacifist, eh? You would make the perfect serf. Would your pacifist self extend to your dearest, if attacked, and violated in your presence?
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al azhar said in a fatwa that settlers are not civilians.
Indeed so. I was hoping to await the opportune time to raise said artifice, and at first let @Netflix tie himself in a gagging knot sans any assistance from any. Thus far, he established himself as the resident supine, heathen, and a zealot Zionist.
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There's not much I know about Islamic jurisprudence. It's not something I can talk about. Still, I'm sure most world leaders see the events of Oct 7th, 2023, as terrorism. Do you agree?
I am neither supine nor pacifist, and any methods of trying to remove hordes of squatters, who wish to implement apartheid, from my land is not terrorism.
It is akin to an armed bugler breaking into one's home, pillaging and poling, and when disarmed with broken limps suing for GBH; are you off your trolley, numpty?
The terrorism designation is reserved to subjugate plebeians and gullible bogans.
The biggest terrorist in the world is the US gov't, which massacres, murders, maims and destroys at a scale, precision, and quantity never witnessed in modern history.
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