Al Umari, a student of Ibn Taymiya's account of a Somali clan in 1340AD

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Shihabuddin al Umari in texts related to a history of East Africa and the Mamluk Sultanate in the 14th century and mentioned later by Lewis, Cerulli and Cassanelli all confirm a Somali clan presence in Xamar around the time of Ibn Battuta's visit.

"الهوية قوم أقوياء، يسكنون المناطق الساحلية ومدينة مقديشو. يحكمهم شيوخهم ويعرفون بثرائهم وتجارتهم."

Exact Quote on the Hawiye Clan
Translation: "The Hawiye are a powerful people, inhabiting the coastal regions and the city of Mogadishu. They are governed by their own sheikhs and are known for their wealth and trade."


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I did some digging and it appears Al Umari was a student of Ibn Taymiyah. His remarks on the Hawiye were actually through the words of several merchants who had gone to visit the Coast which gives credibility to the Hawiye being a long established community there and fought under Sheikh Abu Bakr against the Ethiopians. This was during the twilight years of a blossoming Xamar when it was called Daarul Islaam and welcomed dignitaries from China to Andalus. Ibn Hajr Al Asqalani was taught by men who grew up in Xamar in this era and Xamar exported scholars and governors to many parts of the Muslim World (Maldives, Yuan China etc)

What i find interesting is Hawiye is described as a Qowm. Which can be interchanged with Tribe but the reason they don't use the term Qabiil in this context is because, by implying Hawiye as a Qabiil, there would have to be other qabaa'il nearby in near number and strength to complement them. Basically Hawiye must have been the monopolous uber tribe of this era rather than a oligopolous tribe among its 4.5 peers of today

@NidarNidar @Shimbiris

 

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I believe those early Hawiye would have been the ancestors of the earlier lineages that eroded over time. Like the Silcis, Wadalaan, Xaskul, Karanle, Ajuran etc. The Hiraab would have been quite a small clan by then.

@Galool @Kun_Ciil

 

[NidarNidar]

 

[Aurelian]

Shihabuddin al Umari in texts related to a history of East Africa and the Mamluk Sultanate in the 14th century and mentioned later by Lewis, Cerulli and Cassanelli all confirm a Somali clan presence in Xamar around the time of Ibn Battuta's visit.

"الهوية قوم أقوياء، يسكنون المناطق الساحلية ومدينة مقديشو. يحكمهم شيوخهم ويعرفون بثرائهم وتجارتهم."

Exact Quote on the Hawiye Clan
Translation: "The Hawiye are a powerful people, inhabiting the coastal regions and the city of Mogadishu. They are governed by their own sheikhs and are known for their wealth and trade."


See further on Twitter discussions ^

I did some digging and it appears Al Umari was a student of Ibn Taymiyah. His remarks on the Hawiye were actually through the words of several merchants who had gone to visit the Coast which gives credibility to the Hawiye being a long established community there and fought under Sheikh Abu Bakr against the Ethiopians. This was during the twilight years of a blossoming Xamar when it was called Daarul Islaam and welcomed dignitaries from China to Andalus. Ibn Hajr Al Asqalani was taught by men who grew up in Xamar in this era and Xamar exported scholars and governors to many parts of the Muslim World (Maldives, Yuan China etc)


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What i find interesting is Hawiye is described as a Qowm. Which can be interchanged with Tribe but the reason they don't use the term Qabiil in this context is because, by implying Hawiye as a Qabiil, there would have to be other qabaa'il nearby in near number and strength to complement them. Basically Hawiye must have been the monopolous uber tribe of this era rather than a oligopolous tribe among its 4.5 peers of today

@NidarNidar @Shimbiris

Great post, gonna read the book after Eid inshallah.

 

[Xareen]

Basically Hawiye must have been the monopolous uber tribe of this era rather than a oligopolous tribe among its 4.5 peers of today

YFull agrees!

 

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YFull agrees!

lol I don’t want to turn this into a genetic thread but the Yfull age estimate for E-Y515840 is way off I am afraid. Sheikh Ahmed Bin Abdulrahman Bin Uthman, also known as Sheikh Hawiye was a Muslim and therefore E-Y515840 shouldn’t be older than 1400 years with some of the samples (Madhibaan, Murusade) even suggesting that.

If you look at the image below, I have circled the Madhibaan samples in red and the Hiiraab samples in blue. You can see the stark difference between the two groups. The latter has accumulated a lot of snp’s skewing up the overall average and this is by the qadr of Allah.

I suspect most Hawiye to fall under E-Y515840. Another sample belonging to a major sub tribe, Baadicade (Gugundhabe) is due soon to be released by Nebula. It should help clear things up and make things even more clear inshaAllah

 

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It was always a propaganda reel to claim Somalis in general were dirt poor nomads who didn't experience city life until colonialism. There is nothing stopping fellow Somalis to produce world class cities today the way our ancestors did in the past

 

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I believe even folks from Marka or Baraawe would go by the nisbah ‘Al Maqdishi’ when they travelled abroad as Xamar was the main point of contact and Xamar more or less ruled the whole coast and its adjacent territories. Somalis were a powerful people with trade and rulership. It makes no sense that this could be bypassed to consider foreigners could overpower them and rule the country in their place when Somalis kept their dominance in Xamar right up until this very day.

 

[Mckenzie]

Hawiye had a Sheikhdom (Xamar), Imamate (Hiraab), Sultanate (Ajuran, Silcis), Emirate (Karanle, Harar) etc they collected all the historical marbles like Pokémon Masha'Allah. Add Baraxow Raage of Punt and that's 3k years of an unbroken chain of East African hegemony.