Ali Dawah Marriage Documentary Is Finally Out

[Bowda-dheer]

I am not hooyo matalo and cadcads foreigners arent somali no matter how much you push this agenda and joke on you i dont believe ethnicity i believe lineage

Which lineage do you believe in the T or the E-v32 or maybe the J ? Listen anybody who speaks the somali language and has a few generations of history to somali inhibited lands and doesn’t feel closer to any other culture besides the somali culture is somali period. If the person doesn’t have strong connection to somewhere other than Somalia for which most of these cad cads don’t we push them to Arabs but that’s generations ago and Arab society isn’t like somali once you leave you leave they take in new people and integrate those with them. Also the fact that cad cads and barwanis contributed to somali culture for the past 700 years and also 77 war being the their last major contribution to somali society should make you question you distancing them from Somalis.

even the prophet pbuh distinguished Arabs into two the old Arabs and the mixed Arabs of which the prophet pbuh was apart. Why would you take away barawani if their somaliness? They live in Somalia and mixed with native Somalia such as tunni. For all we know the some of these supposed cad cads could be actual old somali pastoral clans.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

"We wuz Natives"

Keep coping langaab View attachment 275344

Are you a female to be talking about laan?Learn what laangaab means before you throw it around

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Which lineage do you believe in the T or the E-v32 or maybe the J ? Listen anybody who speaks the somali language and has a few generations of history to somali inhibited lands and doesn’t feel closer to any other culture besides the somali culture is somali period. If the person doesn’t have strong connection to somewhere other than Somalia for which most of these cad cads don’t we push them to Arabs but that’s generations ago and Arab society isn’t like somali once you leave you leave they take in new people and integrate those with them. Also the fact that cad cads and barwanis contributed to somali culture for the past 700 years and also 77 war being the their last major contribution to somali society should make you question you distancing them from Somalis.

even the prophet pbuh distinguished Arabs into two the old Arabs and the mixed Arabs of which the prophet pbuh was apart. Why would you take away barawani if their somaliness? They live in Somalia and mixed with native Somalia such as tunni. For all we know the some of these supposed cad cads could be actual old somali pastoral clans.

Being somali isn't by language,Somalia is diverse linguistically.Its also diverse culturally,all the people that inhabit modern day somalia don't share a common culture,South Somalia is most diverse in all aspects wether it's linguistically, culturally and ethnically.

Also there's no such thing as cadcad, if you mean gibil cad then Arab tribes aren't the only gibil cads there's also persians.Majority of Barawanis are also Gibil Cad. When Italy colonized banadir coast and named all the land they colonized as Italian somaliland that's when the people of south become Somali,prior to that Somali identity wasn't a thing for digil & mirifle,banadiris, bajunis, Madowweyne etc.

Mixing with ethnic somalis isn't a condition for being somali ,you could have 0% Somali blood and still be as Somali.Tunni itself is a multi ethnic confederacy, the aggregated tunnis are more than the original tunnis that are descendants of Ciisa Digil.

This is an example of some of them, however there's more that aren't mentioned.

Who do you mean specifically by old somali pastoral clans?

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

the wardey aren't native to the lands of the jubba, in their own tradition they migrated from the southern ethiopia the original homeland of the oromo during their great migration. The land was settled before them by somalis and related groups.
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this thread discusses this from where I got the picture
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/natives-of-jubbaland-and-nfd.139007/

By somali what tribes do you mean cuz there weren't any samaale tribes west of shabelle river in south when wardaay lived there. Also they lived in modern day Buur hakaba and towns near it

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

By somali what tribes do you mean cuz there weren't any samaale tribes west of shabelle river in south when wardaay lived there. Also they lived in modern day Buur hakaba and towns near it

what do you mean there were no samaale tribes when wardey lived there walaal, the warra dayya (known as wardey/orma) are sub moiety of the barentu oromo and like all barentu they migrated from their homeland in south ethiopia the 16th century according to their own tradition. You should know that the colonial authors who talked "ancient oromo" presence in Somalia, only looked at somali traditions talking about them fighting "gaalo" and uncritically assumed that these were about the oromo even if this makes no sense loking at the tarditions of the barentu themselves. There was no oromo presence within Somalia's border before the 16th century and in that time we know for sure there were samaale tribes south of the shabelle like the ajuuraan.
Mohamed Hassan who is himself oromo talks about this here

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

what do you mean there were no samaale tribes when wardey lived there walaal, the warra dayya (known as wardey/orma) are sub moiety of the barentu oromo and like all barentu they migrated from their homeland in south ethiopia the 16th century according to their own tradition. You should know that the colonial authors who talked "ancient oromo" presence in Somalia, only looked at somali traditions talking about them fighting "gaalo" and uncritically assumed that these were about the oromo even if this makes no sense loking at the tarditions of the barentu themselves. There was no oromo presence within Somalia's border in the 16th century and in that time we know for sure there were samaale tribes south of the shabelle like the ajuuraan.
Mohamed Hassan who is himself oromo talks about this here
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What's the lineage of wardaay to samaale?, according to oral history of eelays wardaay lived in bay region prior to them migrating there in 16th century.
And where did ajuran live in south?

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

By somali what tribes do you mean cuz there weren't any samaale tribes west of shabelle river in south when wardaay lived there. Also they lived in modern day Buur hakaba and towns near it

There is also evidence of garre and tunni living south of the jubba as according to Gufu Oba (who is himself Wardey/Orma) in "Herder warfare in east africa" ( the book from which I posted the pages before) as he says the wardey mention figting them when they first came to waamo ( lands south of the jubba) during their migration.

And there is also link between af boni spoken by the aweer/boni and the garre which leads to the assumption there had been long contact between the two groups and the garre ( a samaale tribe) living as far south as the kenyan border, this paper talks about this
https://langsci-press.org/catalog/view/192/1510/1623-1

 

[Man with a garuun]

I am not hooyo matalo and cadcads foreigners arent somali no matter how much you push this agenda and joke on you i dont believe ethnicity i believe lineage

You're just an inept hooyo mataalo kid who is just scapegoating a section of Somali society.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

There is also evidence of garre and tunni living south of the jubba as according to Gufu Oba (who is himself Wardey/Orma) in "Herder warfare in east africa" ( the book from which I posted the pages before) as he says the wardey mention figting them when they first came to waamo ( lands south of the jubba) during their migration.

And there is also link between af boni spoken by the aweer/boni and the garre which leads to the assumption there had been long contact between the two groups and the garre ( a samaale tribe) living as far south as the kenyan border, this paper talks about this
file:///C:/Users/msheikh/Downloads/192-Book%20Manuscript-1623-1-10-20190814.pdf

The links not working, Did you mean there's a link between af boon and af garre?

 

[Bundasliga]

Are you a female to be talking about laan?Learn what laangaab means before you throw it around

Langaab in persia
Langaab in india
Langaab in arabia
Langaab in somalia

Langaab langaab dalay

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

What's the lineage of wardaay to samaale?, according to oral history of eelays wardaay lived in bay region prior to them migrating there in 16th century.
And where did ajuran live in south?

well the wardey in Somalia claim Dir now and through it Samaale, but there is a Oromo group known as Orma in Kenya who also say they are Wardey and are the ones who did not get somalized by the darood migration to Jubbaland in the 19th century. The Orma say they are part of Warra Dayya (which is where the name wardey comes from), a subgroup (moiyte ) of the barentu oromo.

My point was that the ajuuraan surely already lived before the wardey ( late 16th century) south of the shabelle as they are mentioned fighting against the hiraab migrating from the north in that time, but I do believe the eyle and madinle ( who some argue are samaale too) were there before them.

Also do the eelaay tradition mention figthing against generic "gaalo" or specifically the wardey?

 

[Hamzza]

well the wardey in Somalia claim Dir now and through it Samaale, but there is a Oromo group known as Orma in Kenya who also say they are Wardey and are the ones who did not get somalized by the darood migration to Jubbaland in the 19th century. The Orma say they are part of Warra Dayya (which is where the name wardey comes from), a subgroup (moiyte ) of the barentu oromo.

My point was that the ajuuraan surely already lived before the wardey ( late 16th century) south of the shabelle as they are mentioned fighting against the hiraab migrating from the north in that time, but I do believe the eyle and madinle ( who some argue are samaale too) were there before them.

Also do the eelaay tradition mention figthing against generic "gaalo" or specifically the wardey?

Garre lived in the South of Juba too and other Samaales who became extinct subsequently and as a result of the Warday conquest of the land between the Juba and Tana rivers. Some Garre's fleeing from the onslaught of the Oromo took refuge in the Bajuni Islands near Kismayo where they were incorporated into the Bajuni clan system and are now Bajun. Other less fortunate Garre's were reduced to servitude and hunting, hence why the Boon Garre of Af-Madow district exists.

Tunnis of Barawa have a tradition of coming from the South of Juba when they established themselves in their present location. Dabarre as well. Long story short: Both Jubaland and NFD were inhabited by Somalis before the Oromo migrations in the 16th century.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

well the wardey in Somalia claim Dir now and through it Samaale, but there is a Oromo group known as Orma in Kenya who also say they are Wardey and are the ones who did not get somalized by the darood migration to Jubbaland in the 19th century. The Orma say they are part of Warra Dayya (which is where the name wardey comes from), a subgroup (moiyte ) of the barentu oromo.

My point was that the ajuuraan surely already lived before the wardey ( late 16th century) south of the shabelle as they are mentioned fighting against the hiraab migrating from the north in that time, but I do believe the eyle and madinle ( who some argue are samaale too) were there before them.

Also do the eelaay tradition mention figthing against generic "gaalo" or specifically the wardey?

Where do the wardaay that claim dir live?

I know ajuran had settlements across shabelle in modern day hirshabelle region but they later got taken over by gugundhabes like moolkaal who took mansuur from them.

In that book I linked before it talks about them fighting against eyle and wardaay didn't mention them being Muslim or non muslim. There are books that talk about eelays fighting invading oromos I'll have to recheck them

 

[Hamzza]

@JackieBurkhart you see how patriotic I am? Don't accuse me of selF hate again?

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

Where do the wardaay that claim dir live?

I know ajuran had settlements across shabelle in modern day hirshabelle region but they later got taken over by gugundhabes like moolkaal who took mansuur from them.

In that book I linked before it talks about them fighting against eyle and wardaay didn't mention them being Muslim or non muslim. There are books that talk about eelays fighting invading oromos I'll have to recheck them

all the warday in jubbaland claim wardey cali madaxweyne dir by my knowledge

 

[seldiboy]

How did I not know about this? God bless the fathers of the Somali and Eritrean women

 

[beauty_queen]

what has this thread turned into?? his wife aint even banadir she's Kurdish

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Which lineage do you believe in the T or the E-v32 or maybe the J ? Listen anybody who speaks the somali language and has a few generations of history to somali inhibited lands and doesn’t feel closer to any other culture besides the somali culture is somali period. If the person doesn’t have strong connection to somewhere other than Somalia for which most of these cad cads don’t we push them to Arabs but that’s generations ago and Arab society isn’t like somali once you leave you leave they take in new people and integrate those with them. Also the fact that cad cads and barwanis contributed to somali culture for the past 700 years and also 77 war being the their last major contribution to somali society should make you question you distancing them from Somalis.

even the prophet pbuh distinguished Arabs into two the old Arabs and the mixed Arabs of which the prophet pbuh was apart. Why would you take away barawani if their somaliness? They live in Somalia and mixed with native Somalia such as tunni. For all we know the some of these supposed cad cads could be actual old somali pastoral clans.

Stop tht cadcads didnt live somalia for 700 year and alsi cadcads culture isnt somali so they cant contribute to culture into their culture and cadcads didnt fought 77 no wars and if they did doesnt make them right to claim somali lands
And foreigners living in simalia cant became somali just cuz they live in somalia and yes they can go back to tjeir original lands connect with their ppl
You lting if arabs can take non arabs and intergrate them into arabs society they also intergrate cadcads arabs or arabs into their identitty and mohamed and old arabs share same ancestors which they decent from nabi abrahim

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Being somali isn't by language,Somalia is diverse linguistically.Its also diverse culturally,all the people that inhabit modern day somalia don't share a common culture,South Somalia is most diverse in all aspects wether it's linguistically, culturally and ethnically.

Also there's no such thing as cadcad, if you mean gibil cad then Arab tribes aren't the only gibil cads there's also persians.Majority of Barawanis are also Gibil Cad. When Italy colonized banadir coast and named all the land they colonized as Italian somaliland that's when the people of south become Somali,prior to that Somali identity wasn't a thing for digil & mirifle,banadiris, bajunis, Madowweyne etc.View attachment 275370

Mixing with ethnic somalis isn't a condition for being somali ,you could have 0% Somali blood and still be as Somali.Tunni itself is a multi ethnic confederacy, the aggregated tunnis are more than the original tunnis that are descendants of Ciisa Digil.View attachment 275371

This is an example of some of them, however there's more that aren't mentioned.

Who do you mean specifically by old somali pastoral clans?

Somali isnt diverse only those who have somali lineage are somali and no one else and only somali language are spoken anf should be speaking
Stop with diversety agenda

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

You're just an inept hooyo mataalo kid who is just scapegoating a section of Somali society.

Lol nope i am not even i was why does it matter i am somali and tht all matter and foreigners arent somali