Ancients Artifacts Has Been Found In Cerigabo And A Roman Coin

[Step a side]

Nothing unusual. Romans were known to visit Somalia on their way to India. During
Emperor Augustus time as much as 120 merchant vessels would pass by our coast on their way to India.,

 

[attash]

Warsengeli and Isaaq

Dhulbahante live there too...

 

[Cush]

Dhulbahante live there too...

Minority though, I hear all the xaafads are either Warsen or Isaaq domianted

 

[Lumo]

They need to decipher the script. Is it sabean or sumudu?

 

[NidarNidar]

A roman coin has also been found

@Garaad diinle @Hamzza

Looks sumado.

 

[HabarSteven12]

Sabean inscriptions were previously found in Somaliland, particularly the sanaag region.

 

[Qeelbax]

Yo which clan lives in cerigabo?

Didn’t we all live in the North back then? That’s almost 2000 years ago

 

[killerxsmoke]

Didn’t we all live in the North back then? That’s almost 2000 years ago

Your right, north is our original homeland

 

[Garaad diinle]

Fascinating, what an awesome discovery. I knew we would'd find valuable stuff if we were to do proper archaeological work in somalia but this is not what i had in mind. We've got two shaped golden pieces and a roman coin. The gold sculptures are what drew my attention. They were melted and moulded into these shapes properly for trade.

They have symbols or letter writing on them that if deciphered would help us know when and where they were created. My preliminary assessment would be that these letters looks like sabean writing and there is one phoenician aleph that i recognized so they could also be levantines. This might mean that northern somalia was a valuable trade partner to ancient yemen or the levant/al-sham.

Gold was a treasured currency in the ancient world and would only be exchanged with a high value commodity. This means that northern somalia was an important trade destination that was highly valued by empires of old as far north as the roman empire. In addition to the frankincense ebony trees etc. that somalis exported northern somalia was a trade hub that hosted trade fairs which included indian traders that would bring their valued cinnamon to the somali coast. The roman coin dates back to the era of the periplus of the erythraean sea.

The fact that this was found in the interior rather than the coast means that there were settlement inland that was connected to the coast. There might've been an ancient trade network in the interior of somalia which would also mean more discoveries of this magnitude is awaiting us. One might say somalia was part of and connected to the ancient world.

 

[Three Moons]

What a disaster, the tomb-raiders probably washed off the dirt first before taking the pictures so you can forget about Carbon dating these priceless artefacts to an accurate century or millennium. Somalia is a beautiful rich country in the hands of incompetents that mismanage it across every layer of existence, literally every layer.

That said, Somalia will most likely be the country with the greatest quantity of Roman coin discoveries, as one of its ancient cities was a Roman currency exchange. The interior, with the right professionals, will illuminate our ancient history as much as the coasts.

 

[Aurelian]

Embarrassing how anything that's found in Somalia is always credited to different groups. Random stone buildings? Harla. Construction of coastal cities? Arabs and Persians. Anything from the classical peroid? Sabaens. My nigga did Somalis just spawn from thin air? Maxa dadkiin ii caayinsan?

These could be somali made with Sabaen alphabet. Same like how we write Somali in latin.

 

[Aurelian]

If this is true and not a scam. Then it is wonderful discovery.

 

[Garaad diinle]

I'm someone who like to collect letters writing in arabic writing by somalis in somalia. I find it interesting to look at the hand writing, the choice of words and the arabic dialect. It gives me an idea where the writer of the letter have travelled.

Anyway i found this peculiar letter that had something unusual about it. This letter was writing by a man named cumar samatar in the 20th century. The thing that makes this letter stand out is it's signature.

It looks like a sabean script or at least something derived from it. The thing is although some people were still able to read the sabean script in the islamic world the script itself stopped being used around the 11th century. So the question is where did cumar samatar learn about this and why did he use it? Similar letters have been found in some areas of somalia such as this one.

Is it possible that these letters were adopted by somalis and used to write af somali at one time? Did the letter of cumar samater reflect an ancient tradition of somalis writing their language using sabean alphabet?

 

[Three Moons]

@Garaad diinle there is a huge derelict of duty when it comes to Somali Studies, and even the Horn in general. Its like they intentionally refrained from studying anything to do with the ancient period or only touched on it briefly with small archaeological expeditions, yet we have now amateurs digging up entire ruined cities and priceless artefacts. Are you telling me those guys in the sixties or seventies with all their equipment and teams missed all of that and more?

This sort of derelict of duty would have seen the Scandinavian runes pigeonholed as a lost writing system even do with research we now know it was still used as late as the 19th century. Seeing as writing was used in most societies by just a small group that would consist of maybe 1%, usually a political or religious class, it means it only takes one shift in a school of thought or a dynasty change for that writing system to disappear over time.

The amount of questions that would be answered if they approached Somali history with an open mind and combined with a multi-disciplinary approach (archaeology, writing, genetics, etc) is just ridiculous.

 

[Yahya]

THOSE LOOK SABEAN WE ARE ARABS YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I hate when they attribute everything to pre-Arabs. Sabaeans weren't even Arabs they were proto Cushitic people from Abraha's people. These people are insufferable.

 

[Garaad diinle]

@Garaad diinle there is a huge derelict of duty when it comes to Somali Studies, and even the Horn in general. Its like they intentionally refrained from studying anything to do with the ancient period or only touched on it briefly with small archaeological expeditions, yet we have now amateurs digging up entire ruined cities and priceless artefacts. Are you telling me those guys in the sixties or seventies with all their equipment and teams missed all of that and more?

This sort of derelict of duty would have seen the Scandinavian runes pigeonholed as a lost writing system even do with research we now know it was still used as late as the 19th century. Seeing as writing was used in most societies by just a small group that would consist of maybe 1%, usually a political or religious class, it means it only takes one shift in a school of thought or a dynasty change for that writing system to disappear over time.

The amount of questions that would be answered if they approached Somali history with an open mind and combined with a multi-disciplinary approach (archaeology, writing, genetics, etc) is just ridiculous.

Defiantly. If you were to look at what respected foreign archaeologist anthropologist and linguistics prioritize somalia isn't very high on the list nor does it seem to concern them. The somali peninsula is ripe and untapped when it comes to research in any of the listed fields. There is much to discover yet very little interest is being expressed if any. These foreign researchers are probable working on the thousand research paper on say julius caesar or studding ad nauseam what has been already studied for the millionth time.

There are no modern online material on somali or cushitic as a whole, nothing on the rock art of northern somalia or even a serious effort on finding ancient genome in the somali peninsula. How many unesco world heritage sites are there in somali? Is there a detialed examination on the medieval settlement in somaliweyn? It's up to armature researchers or the somali government to find out and study the history of region.

Oh by the way i've been trying to read the signature of omar samatar, brain storming what script it may belong to. While it might not be obvious the first time on the second look they might simply be amharic.

The text probably reads አበ ጋዝ አሰር meaning aba gaaz.

Don't know why he would write in amharic though but it seems to be the correct script though there is no wiggly lines in this one.

Anyhow the havilah theory is gonna get some serious traction after this discovery.

 

[Internet Nomad]

From what archeology has been done we know that Somalia has been inhabited for at least 10,000 years and was the location of the domestication of the "Arabian" camel. It is also the location of the kingdom of Punt, the Macrobians, city states that traded with Europe, etc. And then its dark and empty. Somehow all knowledge of these civilisations disappeared from the consciousness of the nation. Most the cities became abandoned or replaced by new pastoralists. The rest of history from late antiquity onwards is well preserved in oral traditions and written down by foreigners. Yet somehow we have no written script during the middle ages even though we had several before.

It's mind-boggling how this reset could have happened. There's genetic evidence such as a bottle neck over 2000 years ago in the Y chromosome haplogroups. At least 10,000 years of existence as a separate ethnic group but all men descend from a handful around 1AD? Several written scripts found but no one remembers them?There's no fucking way a city written in the periplus of the erythraean sea such as bosaso is now fully occupied by people descended from 1 guy around a few centuries ago. Who don't even remember anything prior to their progenitor.

 

[aden1812]

Nothing unusual. Romans were known to visit Somalia on their way to India. During
Emperor Augustus time as much as 120 merchant vessels would pass by our coast on their way to India.,

I mean finding a japanese car in somalia or an American AR-15 doesnt make somalis japanese or white, somalia was a trading hub.

it doesnt make us arab, it just makes us a central port between east and west.

 

[aden1812]

From what archeology has been done we know that Somalia has been inhabited for at least 10,000 years and was the location of the domestication of the "Arabian" camel. It is also the location of the kingdom of Punt, the Macrobians, city states that traded with Europe, etc. And then its dark and empty. Somehow all knowledge of these civilisations disappeared from the consciousness of the nation. Most the cities became abandoned or replaced by new pastoralists. The rest of history from late antiquity onwards is well preserved in oral traditions and written down by foreigners. Yet somehow we have no written script during the middle ages even though we had several before.

It's mind-boggling how this reset could have happened. There's genetic evidence such as a bottle neck over 2000 years ago in the Y chromosome haplogroups. At least 10,000 years of existence as a separate ethnic group but all men descend from a handful around 1AD? Several written scripts found but no one remembers them?There's no fucking way a city written in the periplus of the erythraean sea such as bosaso is now fully occupied by people descended from 1 guy around a few centuries ago. Who don't even remember anything prior to their progenitor.

I totally agree, i even think the idea of "somaal" existed before Islam and they changed his history to coincide with the religion, i think Somaal is 3,000+ years older than what they tell us. somalia is old and ancient, we are not Arabs or Egyptian, we are our own special type of people.

 

[Internet Nomad]

I totally agree, i even think the idea of "somaal" existed before Islam and they changed his history to coincide with the religion, i think Somaal is 3,000+ years older than what they tell us. somalia is old and ancient, we are not Arabs or Egyptian, we are our own special type of people.

Yeah it think its too much of a coincidence that somalis came to exist right around the start of islam.

i feel there is more religious justification than scientific justification for that claim.