Anfac Story is Fake.

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Angelina

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novanova said:
people don’t want to be honest and acknowledge that creating a safe and functional state requires alot of effort & sacrifice. Truth be told many can not be bothered, in Somalia or in other parts of the third world. They think they can take shortcuts and just ”raise awareness” on social media.

For those that sensationalize horrible cases that take place back home, they are either driven by ego, attention or a desire for revenge. That was the case for many Indian women, they were adamant about making the world see ’how awful indian men are’ (I don’t think they genuinely believed this would change their country) ..

In the end those very same indian feminists were ridiculed & scorned. it added to their dehumanization. the very same people they sought sympathy from now feel comfortable justifying awful treatment and use their domestic issues against them as a community etc.
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Using Indian woman as an example is just LOL. There has been HIGH profile cases of timo jelec men r-wording expats and foriegn women and even cases of husbands with wives having their partners violated in front of them. To suggest that Indian men are scorned and their women scorned due to the efforts of Indian feminists is indeed insane and shows you don’t know what you’re talking about.

All in all, I hope women with a brain can see what the goal is. When a society like India in which women even foreign women are gang raped in broad daylight and women cannot even openly talk about it because they’re ’shaming’ their nation the real argument is that shame takes center stage over the well-being of women. India is an entirely different case and hundreds of foreign women have faced the brunt of what Indian women face there.
 
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kamek

Unicorn said:
U dont seem to realise this but there isnt a reputation left.
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extremely stupid statement, just because something is bad doesn’t mean you should make it worse, you should try to improve.

Somalia’s reputation being a pirates, poverty, fgm etc doesn’t mean we should add r*pe onto that too, rather we should try to improve our country, and spread propaganda, which creates good stereotypes and a good reputation, like I said how were viewed globally and our reputation matters a lot more than you seem to realise.
 
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Keep it a boqol

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kamek said:
extremely stupid statement, just because something is bad doesn’t mean you should make it worse, you should try to improve.

Somalia’s reputation being a pirates, poverty, fgm etc doesn’t mean we should add r*pe onto that too, rather we should try to improve our country, and spread propaganda, which creates good stereotypes and a good reputation, like I said how were viewed globally and our reputation matters a lot more than you seem to realise.
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This mindset they have is caqli mooryan. They think screaming to the rooftops and telling everyone everything is shit is somehow productive. They like to wallow and revere in the shame. It reminds me of how an addicts mind works. Humiliation kink
 
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Heartbreakkid

Keep it a boqol said:
This mindset they have is caqli mooryan. They think screaming to the rooftops and telling everyone everything is shit is somehow productive. They like to wallow and revere in the shame. It reminds me of how an addicts mind works. Humiliation kink
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They know it ain’t productive. They’re just self hating losers. Call them what they are. They’re ethnic-cucks loving to see their people deduced to degenerates.
 
Unicorn

Unicorn

kamek said:
extremely stupid statement, just because something is bad doesn’t mean you should make it worse, you should try to improve.

Somalia’s reputation being a pirates, poverty, fgm etc doesn’t mean we should add r*pe onto that too, rather we should try to improve our country, and spread propaganda, which creates good stereotypes and a good reputation, like I said how were viewed globally and our reputation matters a lot more than you seem to realise.
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Were not adding rape. Its already been there but people like u like to be delusional. Continue with ur "positive" propaganda of acting like these crimes dont happen.
 
Unicorn

Unicorn

Keep it a boqol said:
This mindset they have is caqli mooryan. They think screaming to the rooftops and telling everyone everything is shit is somehow productive. They like to wallow and revere in the shame. It reminds me of how an addicts mind works. Humiliation kink
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Caqli mooryan is being silent and having positive propaganda tht nothing bad happens and putting ur money together to get ur tribal mate out of jail for crimes. Tht somali kenyan serial killer who killed a mom and daughter is walking free after paying money. But yes talking about it and telling people is a humiliation kink lmao
 
Devilsadvocate

Devilsadvocate

Heartbreakkid said:
They know it ain’t productive. They’re just self hating losers. Call them what they are. They’re ethnic-cucks loving to see their people deduced to degenerates.
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Bunch of losers. If Somali women want to raise awareness about situations in English, they can feel free to do so. What benefit is there to keep this in the Somali community strictly? This is the same community that has turned on her in less than 24 hours.

They call her case fake and are spamming “justice for Roberto” everywhere without solid proof. The only “cucks” are the federal government of Somalia and Somali politicians. They’ve rejected all bills that benefit Somali women, they don’t take proactive steps to safeguard Somali women, and they don’t pass laws that ban harmful practices. It is because of their carelessness that has led to the mass degeneracy we see today, not Somali women spreading awareness.

This to me seems like ceeb culture, what ceeb? R*pe is not my burden nor a victim's burden, and I couldn’t care less. When Korean women raised awareness about the telegram scandal in English around 2024, all women reported and shut down those misogynist YouTube channels and applied pressure. You weirdos will never convince me that people raising awareness is causing more harm. These women come from a place of frustration and neglect, not clout.
 
Devilsadvocate

Devilsadvocate

Keep it a boqol said:
This mindset they have is caqli mooryan. They think screaming to the rooftops and telling everyone everything is shit is somehow productive. They like to wallow and revere in the shame. It reminds me of how an addicts mind works. Humiliation kink
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The irony of this is mad. You used the term “mooryan”. That term describes a group that damaged Somali history a thousand times more than what a couple of women speaking in English or Arabic did. How you can equate the two is beyond me. If you want positive propaganda, then that depends on the FGS and Somali society, not Somali feminists. People will respect a country that is peaceful, has a good economy, and is developed, but Somalia will never gain any respect until those thresholds are met. Whilst r*pe exists in every single society, piracy, t*rrorism, clan wars, and qabyalad do not. That is why Somalia is not respected and its PR is in tatters. Akhas.
 
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Angelina

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I do not deny that reputation is important. I do not deny that in an ideal world, no foreigner should know our business, but the gaslighting in this thread is insane.

Let us be honest but many people here abhor honesty. When that little 12 yr old girl was r-worded and chopped up and tribal leaders simply wanted to pay off her parents and dismiss the case so that the R-word victims can walk free, it was international shame that forced the hands of Somalis to actually kill these men by firing squad. Women online spoke about it, women in Somalia protested due to heightened awareness and the scathing articles was the straw that broke the camel’s back that forced the PL gov to intervene. This is a perfect example of how so called hit to their rep actually helped an innocent child get justice. It’s reprehensible that it played out this way, but that is the sad sordid truth that many of you lot can’t accept.

As much as I prefer for things to be kept in house, I’ve seen time and time again, the only time our circus of a gov or our people are forced to put on a show and try to dish out justice is via huge international outcry. Even the Luul case was hyped up and the court case recorded and some sort of justice was tried to be shown was due to international outcry. Luuls case wasn’t even unique at least 3 other women were murdered that week or two weeks around that time.

My point is, there has been so many cases of r-word and murder of women but you lot don’t know and aren’t doing any research. Why? Because of no coverage. When no one talks about something, the ceeb brigade are silent and go about their everyday life with 0 care whilst these women stay invisible with no home of justice. If the Anfac case is true, believe me something of some sort will be done. Why? Because many of our people only care when rep is on the line. I’ll say this again, Anfac isn’t unique. She’s one of many. There has been a 60, 000 strong telegram group of men sending r-word videos of Somali women. But none of you guys will never comment as that hasn’t been fully exposed yet. There is also a horrible culture in Somali schools and unis of teachers trying to groom female students and again silence and things will remain the same until a so called ‘self hater’ exposes it and only then will you sheep like people decided to even acknowledge it let alone do something about it.

Many people here are simply performative and it’s sickening.
 
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tyrannicalmanager

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Unicorn said:
I dont think u know how to read. Somalis only care about non somalis knowing their dirt. Thts it. I never said non somalis will change things. I said since u and them are so afraid of the shame of non somalis knowing then so be it. We all know the community is fine with the status quo. The people who say to speak somali about issues are the same people fine with everything. I want those bastards to feel shame since the only opinions they get scared of is ajanabis talking sht about them.
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Yeah pls give ammo to the Yahuud and Hindus to justify their continued rape and killing of Muslim women.
 
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novanova

Angelina said:
I do not deny that reputation is important. I do not deny that in an ideal world, no foreigner should know our business, but the gaslighting in this thread is insane.

Let us be honest but many people here abhor honesty. When that little 12 yr old girl was r-worded and chopped up and tribal leaders simply wanted to pay off her parents and dismiss the case so that the R-word victims can walk free, it was international shame that forced the hands of Somalis to actually kill these men by firing squad. Women online spoke about it, women in Somalia protested due to heightened awareness and the scathing articles was the straw that broke the camel’s back that forced the PL gov to intervene. This is a perfect example of how so called hit to their rep actually helped an innocent child get justice. It’s reprehensible that it played out this way, but that is the sad sordid truth that many of you lot can’t accept.

As much as I prefer for things to be kept in house, I’ve seen time and time again, the only time our circus of a gov or our people are forced to put on a show and try to dish out justice is via huge international outcry. Even the Luul case was hyped up and the court case recorded and some sort of justice was tried to be shown was due to international outcry. Luuls case wasn’t even unique at least 3 other women were murdered that week or two weeks around that time.

My point is, there has been so many cases of r-word and murder of women but you lot don’t know and aren’t doing any research. Why? Because of no coverage. When no one talks about something, the ceeb brigade are silent and go about their everyday life with 0 care whilst these women stay invisible with no home of justice. If the Anfac case is true, believe me something of some sort will be done. Why? Because many of our people only care when rep is on the line. I’ll say this again, Anfac isn’t unique. She’s one of many. There has been a 60, 000 strong telegram group of men sending r-word videos of Somali women. But none of you guys will never comment as that hasn’t been fully exposed yet. There is also a horrible culture in Somali schools and unis of teachers trying to groom female students and again silence and things will remain the same until a so called ‘self hater’ exposes it and only then will you sheep like people decided to even acknowledge it let alone do something about it.

Many people here are simply performative and it’s sickening.
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the ’we need to raise awareness so that outside forces put enough diplomatic pressure on the government for them to act’ approach doesn’t work longterm. It’s not sustainable. Most cases do not end up on our radar neither will the government give in everytime we publicize these individual cases. It won’t give most victims of sexual crimes justice, it just makes life more difficult for somalis in the diaspora or even worse will be used to push racist and islamophobic propaganda to justify more harmful western interventions in Somalia.

If somalis back home and in the diaspora are serious about tackling this they need to employ a different strategy to address the problem of insufficient enforcement of laws. The reality is Somalia doesn’t have a ’rape’ problem, it has deeper systemic issues tied to law enforcement which leads to a culture of impunity (probably because our states are governed by warcriminals, looters and murderers 😭). State failure plays a crucial role in creating an environment where all crimes can proliferate, including rape & sexual harrassment.

I dont think anybody is looking to gaslight or deny that widespread moral and social decay exists as an aftermath of the civilwar (which hasn’t even ended yet), esp in parts of the country that have been impacted by war the most (the south)

We’re just asking people to be responsible and move more strategic, none of the people discussing this matter on tiktok or other platforms are even offering nuance or context, they were making wild statements about somali ’culture’, which aren’t even accurate
 
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Devilsadvocate said:
@Unicorn you are being gaslight rn, it’s crazy to see 🤣 I’m going to end this “ceeb conversation” here on my behalf. I will not go back & forth with people that think like that.
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Unicorn said:
I dont think u know how to read. Somalis only care about non somalis knowing their dirt. Thts it. I never said non somalis will change things. I said since u and them are so afraid of the shame of non somalis knowing then so be it. We all know the community is fine with the status quo. The people who say to speak somali about issues are the same people fine with everything. I want those bastards to feel shame since the only opinions they get scared of is ajanabis talking sht about them.
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