Another arrest in the mamuulka of Somaliland, a true beacon of democracy doesn't act like this

[Steamdevolopment]

LOL that second comment is speaking the truth

 

[El padrone]

We will put your cadaan loving feminazi ass in mandheera too! we are semi rogue state like n.korea. bring it on babe.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

I guess OP's dumbass forgot we got a politics section again​

 

[Striker]

I heard about him getting arrested.

Can someone tell me why?

 

[Steamdevolopment]

I guess OP's dumbass forgot we got a politics section again​

I don't forget. I know no-one visits the political section, so at least it gets some attention this way

With that said, nice deflection

 

[fox]

You should worry about Galmudug.

 

[Striker]

She is from Ethiopia kkkk

Is she Ogaden?

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Op is from Ethiopia, a nation famous for its brutality against journalists and she wants us to believe her country Ethiopia treats journalists better then this

My parents are born and from Somalia and I was born in Egå, Denmark.

Nice deflection though

 

[fox]

She is from Ethiopia kkkk

I thought she was habar gidir

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Kkk doesn't matter where your parents went as refugees , Somaliland is more democratic then Ethiopia

Don't disagree on that but that ain't saying much and Ehitiopia never claimed to be a beacon of democracy for PR purposes involving itiraf

 

[waraabe]

Don't disagree on that but that ain't saying much and Ehitiopia never claimed to be a beacon of democracy for PR purposes involving itiraf

Cry me a river, Somaliland is more democratic then your country


Now get back to fake law

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Cry me a river, Somaliland is more democratic then your country


Now get back to fake law

You mean fake law like the Somaliland constitution which grants freedom of speech, and yet this happens on daily basis?

I've noticed a pattern, when an uncomfortable truth is represented you deviate to attacking the messager. Sad!

 

[Steamdevolopment]

I told you a fact, Somaliland is more democratic then Ethiopia. Fake news spreading is illegal in Somaliland and those that spread it will be brought into account.

Stop getting angry at the fact Somaliland is more democratic then your country

That's not how freedom of speech works, nor how the rule of law is to be executed.

Somalia has never claimed to be a beacon of democracy and it isn't.

 

[waraabe]

That's not how freedom of speech works, nor how the rule of law is to be executed.

Somalia has never claimed to be a beacon of democracy and it isn't.

Is Somaliland more democratic then Somalia and Ethiopia- yes


Your point is empty fake lawyer girl

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Is Somaliland more democratic then Somalia and Ethiopia- yes


Your point is empty fake lawyer girl

If indeed somaliland is democratic then how comes siilanyo is still the president? Wast he elected president in 2010? His term finished over two years ago, so that means somaliland is a dictatorship.
http://www.gobanimonews.com/somalilands-emerging-dictatorship-by-ahmed-musa/
"After Kulmiye succeeded to govern Somaliland and Ahmed Mohamed Mohamoud Siilaanyo became the president of Somaliland on 27nd July 2010 a new era was expected to started for Somaliland as a peaceful democratic presidential handover took place, while Kenyan elections ended in a bloodshed and chaos at that same year.

But unfortunately despite of his failure to fulfill his proclaimed promises on his 5 years term into his presidency during election period, Ahmed Siilaanyo has instead shown numerous signs of an executive dictatorship that has threatened some provisions of the constitution and weakened our democratic institutions. And it is clearly evident that the president was gradually building a solid wall of power instead of prioritising to achieve his promised development goals.

The following evidence undoubtedly proves that this government is drifting towards a dictatorship:

● Keeping public wealth and power in the family. Enriching the family and controlling aid and other funds or even government contracts being awarded or hired within the family or related members, as they are not accountable for their actions because of having absolute power.

● Intentionally not reinstated the state of emergency imposed by the former Interior Minister Ahmed Jambir Suldan on 2nd September 2000, to keep remain as a loophole in order to violate future elections for its reason.

● Use of the law for competition suppression, creating a subterranean band of enforcers within the House of Representatives engaging in an illegal activities to weaken and decrease the oposition influence within the house, tabling a motion against the chairman of House of Representatives as well as the Chairman of Wadani National Party to be impeached, and restricting his couterpart constituency members to attend the house while the motion in progress in order to dominate the quorum, using the law to suppress their opponent political parties.

● Denying any kind of peaceful demonstrations carried by their rival political parties imposing coercive measures and entrenching troops all over the country restricting movements, taking over party offices and carrying out unlawfull arrests on party leaders accusing for organising illegal acts to destabilise the security of the country.

● Preventing and restricting opposition party leaders movements within the country such as when the candidate for presidency of UCID Jamal Ali Hussein and his party members being refused to visit Gebilay on 05 December 2013 even though they were not carrying any political activities or lobbying.

● Appointing Hersi Ali Hassan as Chief of Cabinet Secretary, which contradictes to system of government. Japan is the only country so far that introduced the title as they use prime minister and chief of Cabinet Secretary is regarded as a stepping stone to the post of Prime Minister.The chief of Cabinet Secretary is customerly nominted as the first to serve as temporary acting prime minister in case the prime minster is unable to serve due death or other grave reasons.

● Subversion of internal checks and balance by appointing key positions of persons who can be controlled by their sponsors, and who are then induced to do illegal things.

● Establishing of British trained paramilitary counter-terror squad known as Rapid Reaction Unit (RRU) in 2012, and later used them as his own personal task force, staging events to produce popular support such Act of terrorism, blamed on members of political opponents, followed immediately with well-prepared proposals for increased powers and budgets for this suppressive guards similar to Reichstag plot.

● Repressings against independent journalists of Haatuf and Hubaal, mistreating and jailing reporters and banning the news agencies unlawfully without justify or taking their cases into court.

● Introduction of new political parties to be registered in order to get rid of the most powerful UDUB party out of Somalilands political field and bring new government assisted parties into the field, so KULMIYE would have the opportunity to be the most dominant party in the next elections.

● Suspension of elections despite of ensuring that his government will not stay in office one more day outside the elected term of 5 years and will hold the elections on time."

 

[Hoosjeed]

The only joke here is you actually thought SL was remotely democratic.

SL has had a couple of quasi democratic multiparty elections contested between pre-approved parties. That's it. It is a kleptocracy in every sense of the word. The political class there have very thin skins so anyone that antagonizes them runs the risk of something like this happening to them. It doesn't justify jailing dissidents, but it is not like the bar in Xamar is exactly set much higher.

As always, it is a perpetual race to the bottom with Somalis, who are always looking to one up each other wherever they can.

 

[oday1kenobi]

Guys, check my thread regarding the media in Somaliland.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/decent-unbiased-article-about-the-media-in-somaliland.22334/

In mid-March, at a press conference at Hargeisa’s shiny new airport, a cocky young journalist gathered up his courage and asked Somaliland’s President Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo a difficult question. Is it true, he asked, that the president was a dictator? Silanyo responded perfectly: ‘If this were a dictatorship, you wouldn’t have asked those questions.’

The self-declared (although internationally unrecognised) Republic of Somaliland, otherwise a veritable beacon of democracy and good governance in the Horn of Africa, is often criticised for its attitude to the media. Illegal arrests and detentions of journalists and editors are common, and some media houses have been shut down by the government. It’s not a good look for the territory that is trying so desperately to press its case for international recognition.

But maybe things aren’t as bad as they seem. Truth is, it’s complicated – more complicated than a simple human rights narrative can capture. At first glimpse, the press in Somaliland is varied and vibrant. Newspaper sellers stroll from coffee shop to coffee shop in the capital Hargeisa carrying bundles of tabloid-size titles, in both English and Somali. There are several private television broadcasters, and too many online publishers to count. The standard newspaper mix is a few pages of unique local content with international and sport news culled from the wires (without attribution or royalties).

These papers don’t pull their punches. Take this front-page column from the 23 March edition of The Horn, coincidentally on the subject of press freedom. It is typical. ‘It defies credulity that [President] Ahmed Silanyo would charge journalists with treason when he was engaged in exactly the same behaviour when he was in opposition ... the use of these words is a marker for a descent into fascism,’ writes Adan Iman, who goes on to attack the president personally: ‘His age, which is not less than 80 years, and his bullying and autocratic streak, will be a factor in the election.’

These are not, on the face of it, the words of a media that has been cowed into submission. But how can we reconcile this frank and borderline libellous criticism with the government’s hardline stance? Just a few weeks ago, in early March, Abdirahman Mohamed Ige of Royal TV and Mubarak Osman Saed of Star TV were arrested in the coastal town of Berbera. Their crime? ‘Betraying the Somaliland nation’ – whatever that means. In the last two years, nearly 20 journalists have been arrested or detained, all on similarly spurious charges (although arrests rarely last long).

Some say the journalists had it coming. No one, not even representatives of the Somaliland Journalists Association, would deny that Somaliland’s press corps is not always the most ethical. Or even the most factual. Gossip sells, as does slander, and there’s plenty of that going round (the most recent, and most scandalous example being the entirely unsubstantiated story that the First Lady is having an affair with the former finance minister). ‘Somaliland’s media is deeply unprofessional,’ says one Western diplomat, speaking off the record, and on the whole it’s hard to disagree.

Journalism is not a lucrative profession anywhere in the world, and this is especially true in Somaliland. Many journalists don’t even have a high school qualification, and have turned to journalism as a livelihood rather than a vocation. In some instances, politicians and businessmen can pay for favourable stories, and cash often exchanges hands at press conferences – whether for this purpose, or to cover logistics and enable poorly remunerated journalists to attend.

None of this is any excuse for the government hard-line approach, however. ‘There are a lot of problems with the media itself. There is a lack of ethics and education. But these issues cannot justify [the] reaction of the government. This is the criminalisation of media issues,’ says Guleid Ahmed Jama, a lawyer with Somaliland’s Human Rights Centre.

I ask Barkhad Kaariye, a local correspondent for Voice of America and founder of Somali Investigative Reports, what he thinks of the media freedom situation. He is one of the country’s most respected reporters. His answer is unexpected.

For Kaariye, it’s all about perspective – and his comparison is not to the media freedoms enjoyed by the West, but rather to the extremely difficult situation for journalists in Somalia proper. ‘We [journalists in Somaliland] are very, very happy. Getting arrested is normal here, but that’s not the highest danger. In Somalia you would get killed.’

Others have mentioned that even in Somaliland, getting arrested is a relatively minor sentence. Far worse for cash-strapped media would be a fine, which could kill their publications entirely. This is an important point: it’s counter-intuitive to Western audiences, but sometimes jail is not the most severe punishment available.

Kaariye says that Somaliland has the freest press in the region (with the exception of Kenya), and that there is plenty of space for criticism of the state. The media environment here is a work in progress, however, and most Somaliland journalists who get into trouble do so when they target the wrong individual. These are just teething problems, however, and he worries that all the fuss about media freedom diverts attention from the real problem with journalism in Somaliland. ‘What we really need is human resource capacity. We need to tell journalists their rights and duties. They need training,’ Kaariye says.

The media is an important part of any functional democracy. To work properly, it needs protection from over-reaching governments, and it needs to operate within a sturdy regulatory framework. Neither of these conditions are present in Somaliland, and this needs to be addressed urgently. But not all journalism is created equal, and to fulfil its role as watchdog the media must play its part with skill and professionalism. This is, for the most part, not happening either.

President Silanyo was right. Somaliland is not a dictatorship, and enjoys a level of press freedom better than elsewhere in the region. There’s no doubt, however, that there is room for improvement – not just in how the government treats journalists, but also in how journalists do their jobs.



8 April 2015

https://issafrica.org/amp/iss-today/think-again-somaliland-and-the-trouble-with-a-free-press

My views:

The govt of somaliland definitely deserves criticism for how she treats the press even if they are unethical and shambolic.

But at the same time it's important to stress (as the article states) that Somaliland is far more open compared to other countries in region.

On the otherhand, Somaliland shouldn't strive to be better than dictatorships and a failed state. Instead, it's on the onus for the Somaliland govt to improve itself first (stop being trigger happy for a start) and not the media.

 

[Bohol]

@Steamdevolopment Use the report button. Derailing from threads such
as trying to make it about Ethiopia in the thread by the local crackheads when this thread is clearly about Somaliland will not be tolerated.

 

[El padrone]

@Steamdevolopment Use the report button. Derailing from threads such
as trying to make it about Ethiopia in the thread by the local crackheads when this thread is clearly about Somaliland will not be tolerated.

kkk sxb duqa bohol waan arkaa inaad digreeto ku saxeexday in sland dhulka la jiido!

We know our voice are minority here and are overpowered but no need to oppress ppl.

 

[Bohol]

kkk sxb duqa bohol waan arkaa inaad digreeto ku saxeexday in sland dhulka la jiido!

We know our voice are minority here and are overpowered but no need to oppress ppl.

@Steamdevolopment said many times she is from Somalia and not even Ethiopia. Even if she was, her country of origin has nothing
to do with the topic at hand. That was clear derailing attempt to silence her.