Another Chinese Medieval Author Talks About Mogadishu And Barawa
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Garaad diinle
Yeah you're right costal cities had what people might call low class and some of them were most likely hunters. That being said the fact that noble somalis don't use bows might not have been an absolute rule.
We know that noble clans in futuh al-habasha used bows and arows and the depection of reer mogadisho in 1850s shows people of the city with bow and arows.
In regard to sea food i read that people living in the coast of bari meaning noble somalis also were fishermen. I had meet some somalis from the north that told me about stories of their parents and how prosperous they were by having plenty of fish. I think in some costal cities people operated by different rules and that they have finally overcame the innate cushitic pescaphobia or fishphobia that they were born with kkkkk.
Of course you might still be right in this particular case. There might have been two contingent military forces in mogadishu. One made out of the nobles of the city using spears, shields and clubs. The other using bows and arows. There is also depiction of reer mogadisho with spears to.
The loose garment might be the Qamiis and/or wrapped garment that the Imam of Abgaal wore when Guillain visited him, which was popular all over the South. The Qamiis was certainly woren by Camuudis and Ashraaf, but possibly by more cadcads.
It's not most likely referring to Ajuraan, that's just a conjecture of Cerulli. We don't know if Ajuraan would have seen themselves as Hawiye then nor if they even lived there, considering they're originally from Shabelle. We have to investigate *ALL* Hawiye lineages to find a much more suitable answerThe founders of mogadisho marka and gobweyn are not known but speculated. while we know the inhabitants were somalis, the oral stories we have regarding their foundation varies from each other and in many cases completely disagree. Although the oldest mention of marka has it's inhabitants called hawiya most likely refering to ajuran here.
Tunni founded barawa and am pretty sure they are rahanweyne
No they didn't and no they aren't.
Garaad diinle
You're right in the sense that it could be any hawiya clan though occam's razor is our best
option for the time being. Ajuraan today consider themselves as hawiya or bah hawiya. The
british called the ajuraan in kenya hawiya and oral stories from marka also points towards
ajuraan presence in the coast including marka. The biiamaal has ajuraan in there oral story.
The oral stories talks ab sultanate years, way after 1154. Also, we're not talking ab 19th century, the britsh are irrelevant. Ajuraan are far from the best suggestion
Nigga there are references in wikiWiki
, use them
Garaad diinle
Much have changed in the last hundred years or so, any information is relevante to our story.
The fact that the british recorded the ajuraan living all the way in kenya as hawiya is evidans that ajuraan being hawiya is not a recent thing.
Ajuraan always saw themselves as hawiya to say otherwise requires evidence do you have any? There are even some oral stories of how odayga abgaal was bah ajuraan. In reagard to the oral stories referring to a sultanate did you know that the account of ibn said not to long after al-idrisi is about a powefull muslim hawiya people sound like it could very easily be interpreted as a sultanate.
When you say ajuraan is not our best option who do you suggest right now? Is your suggestions supported by oral stories.
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I'm saying Ajuraan being them is from a faulty construction of our past by Cerulli. No need for another suggestion now, beter to survey the clans in LS and find clues their. Also, the britsh were dependent on info from all colonial travelers, so them being called Hawiye in NFD isn't reflective of what they saw themselves as.
Wait r u saying that ajuraan ain't hawiye
Yes, only their Reer Abtis
What do u mean by only their reer abtis
Garaad diinle
Man are you pulling my leg now the ajuraan today doesn't refute the british account or disputes it. Everyone know that they are either considerd hawiya or bah hawiya.
In regards to cerulli i've came to my conclusion independently and anyone can do the same. A powerfull hawiya people in marka, ajuraan are known as hawiya and they were a powerful hegemon in the coast put two and two together and voila here is your answer.
Now i'm not saying that the account is about the ajuran but that right now ajuraan is the clear option, to say otherwise you'd need convincing evidence.
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Ajuraan's grandmother was Hawiye
Also Ibn Battuta
وصف ملابسهم مشابه إلى حد ما لنص إعلان 1760 الذي وجدته. مبهر.
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