Are Salafis the cause of terrorism?

[Don]

I know I hit a raw nerve but son, pray tell what does the vast majority of Muslims believing that apostates should be murdered have to do with the West?

You spoke about acts of so-called terror by Muslims and that's what i was responding to.

Regarding your point about apostates:

In many countries around the world, including the west, High Treason is punishable by the death penalty.
(Even if the person was born into that country.)

Islam is like a country, those who commit High Treason by leaving it's fold receive the death penalty.
(Even the bible says the same thing about apostates but Christians don't follow it.)​

It's that simple.

 

[Raamsade]

You spoke about acts of so-called terror by Muslims and that's what i was responding to.

Regarding your point about apostates:

In many countries around the world, including the west, High Treason is punishable by the death penalty.
(Even if the person was born into that country.)

Islam is like a country, those who commit High Treason by leaving it's fold receive the death penalty.
(Even the bible says the same thing about apostates but Christians don't follow it.)​

It's that simple.

Nice try kiddo but no body buys your BS rationalization of murder.

Islam is not a country.

Apostasy is not akin to treason.

Most people in the world do not believe those who commit treason should murdered.

Apostasy is spiritual renunciation involving no physical act, therefore it's a victim-less crime. It's a thought offense.

 

[Don]

Nice try kiddo but no body buys your BS rationalization of murder.

Islam is not a country.

Apostasy is not akin to treason.

Most people in the world do not believe those who commit treason should murdered.

Apostasy is spiritual renunciation involving no physical act, therefore it's a victim-less crime. It's a thought offense.

It's a crime against God who gave them life in the first place and blessed them with guidance. If they become ungrateful brats and turn their backs on His guidance... He ordered that they be sent back to Him.

So you best believe they will all be sent back, in droves if need be.

 

[Rorschach]

Oh! How the elephant has laboured nightly and turned up a mouse!

You came into this thread all gun-ho and when I put you in your place, you're quietly slither away like a snake.

Your argument is so basic, it doesn't warrant a well thought-out response. It's like a schoolboy asking you why you're black at a playground. I've spoken to your type before - you just want an argument, none of my paragraphs would register.

You are totally unaware of the current global conflicts. In your mind all of this chaos is due to the (mis)interpretation of a few verses, or religious jurisprudence.

When I brought up the fact that the Western-coalition killed well over a million people in Iraq on a pack of lies - you replied with apostasy laws. This is enough to show me your mental deficiency.

Now kindly f*ck off.

 

[Naissur]

Hey, look my man @Rorschach is here. After that problem, I noticed you and @Inquisitive_ run from every thread when I enter.

 

[Naissur]

Oh! How the elephant has laboured nightly and turned up a mouse!

You came into this thread all gun-ho and when I put you in your place, you're quietly slither away like a snake.

 

[Rorschach]

Hey, look my man @Rorschach is here. After that problem, I noticed you and @Inquisitive_ run from every thread when I enter.

You're way too full of yourself. If you have something to debate soo bandhig.

Or are you going you going to post another integral?

 

[Raamsade]

It's a crime against God who gave them life in the first place and blessed them with guidance. If they become ungrateful brats and turn their backs on His guidance... He ordered that they be sent back to Him.

So you best believe they will all be sent back, in droves if need be.

Exactly my point!

Call it crime against God or Big Foot, it's a victim-less crime.

 

[Raamsade]

Your argument is so basic, it doesn't warrant a well thought-out response. It's like a schoolboy asking you why you're black at a playground. I've spoken to your type before - you just want an argument, none of my paragraphs would register.

You are totally unaware of the current global conflicts. In your mind all of this chaos is due to the (mis)interpretation of a few verses, or religious jurisprudence.

When I brought up the fact that the Western-coalition killed well over a million people in Iraq on a pack of lies - you replied with apostasy laws. This is enough to show me your mental deficiency.

Now kindly f*ck off.

Dude, either muster the courage to answer the question or piss off!

International geo-politics or transgressions of the West have no bearings whatsoever on Islamic dogma which enjoins death penalty for apostates.

You see, unlike half-wits like you, I appreciate the reality that ideas have consequences. If you inculcate hate into people, often from young age, at some point some of that hate translates into real world violent acts. It's like saying White Supremacist ideology that was espoused by southern US states had no bearings on lynchings of black people by ordinary white folks. It's ridiculous!

Islam AS A RELIGION promotes hate which will lead SOME Muslims to commit violence. Why can't you renounce the hateful bits and take the more amenable portions? Blind adherence to dogma?

 

[SecretAgent]

Those who become salafi overnight usually do attacks.

 

[Rorschach]

And yet, the vast majority of the world Muslims believe that apostates should be killed. Go figure!

Dude, either muster the courage to answer the question or piss off!

International geo-politics or transgressions of the West have no bearings whatsoever on Islamic dogma which enjoins death penalty for apostates.

You see, unlike half-wits like you, I appreciate the reality that ideas have consequences. If you inculcate hate into people, often from young age, at some point some of that hate translates into real world violent acts. It's like saying White Supremacist ideology that was espoused by southern US states had no bearings on lynchings of black people by ordinary white folks. It's ridiculous!

Islam AS A RELIGION promotes hate which will lead SOME Muslims to commit violence. Why can't you renounce the hateful bits and take the more amenable portions? Blind adherence to dogma?

Apostasy Laws are a part of Islam and it's unanimously accepted by the scholars.

Bringing up Apostasy Laws is a red-herring in this thread, unless you believe that the Wests' bombing of the ME is a means of enlightening the Muslims from theological oppression - a baptism by fire if you will. That 'they hate us for our freedom' or that a few niggas just got up and decided to bomb the shit out of the West who were merely minding their own business.

Actions taken to enlighten ME Muslims:

• The support of brutal dictators ever since installing their predecessors during the latter end of the colonial period
• Societal ills due to Western-protected dictators leaching their respective countries
• The Afghan war
• Torture and rendition hubs
  
• The Iraq invasion and aftermath
• The Afghan invasion and aftermath
• Drone strikes and CIA black sites
• etc. etc. et f*****c.

People like you are muddying the waters, and you're doing it on purpose methinks. You explicitly ignore the sustained tactics of aggression and colonial games, and apportion all the blame to theology. It's why I derided you for responding with a theological question when I pointed out the millions killed in Iraq on a bed of lies - an invasion that spawned ISIS and directly contributed to the expansion of Global JihadTM.

If you were honest, you would argue the issues separately. You could acknowledge Western aggression while arguing against apostasy laws. But in your degeneracy you have to go all the way and link the two, as if one is a natural consequence of the other. It's honestly shameful what you're doing.

 

[Genie]

Dude, either muster the courage to answer the question or piss off!

International geo-politics or transgressions of the West have no bearings whatsoever on Islamic dogma which enjoins death penalty for apostates.

You see, unlike half-wits like you, I appreciate the reality that ideas have consequences. If you inculcate hate into people, often from young age, at some point some of that hate translates into real world violent acts. It's like saying White Supremacist ideology that was espoused by southern US states had no bearings on lynchings of black people by ordinary white folks. It's ridiculous!

Islam AS A RELIGION promotes hate which will lead SOME Muslims to commit violence. Why can't you renounce the hateful bits and take the more amenable portions? Blind adherence to dogma?

Islam as a religion does NOT promote hate , it enjoins mercy in fact there were people who left Islam whilst the prophet was still alive did he kill them .... *brace your self* .... no , no he didn't we are encouraged to show mercy , tbh until a caliphate is established (the last one being the ottoman empire) until then i don't think any islamic country has the authority to carry out anything of that breadth.

Now why do so many muslims say that yes they should be killed (firstly it would help if you posted the statistics , otherwise it would be akin to you pulling that statement out of your ass ) Well if and when an islamic Caliphate is put into place the general consensus is that the Islamic law will be put to place too, and so apostates have 2 options leave the caliphate all together or to face the consequences of betraying there country and religion akin to treason. As pointed by @Hugo

However you have to also take into considerations multiple factors , when you study and learn from the prophets siira ( biography) you find that he forgave a lot of the muslim hypocrites and those who ran away during battle (again this is like treason even to this day) he did NOT kill them. So those muslims who's say that its a MUST to kill an apostate by law are mislead in my opinion when learning from the Holy prophet we found that he was merciful and told them to seek forgiveness , it only becomes an issue when they leave the fold of Islam and then become Blasphemous and cause corruption and cause others to deviate from the religion hence why i said they have two options either to leave the caliphate or option 2 to face the consequences whatever it maybe (different schools of thoughts have different opinions)

It would be nice in the future if you ..... you know knew what you were talking seems like you have 0 background knowledge on Islam.

BTW islam is NOT just a religion , its a way of life , it can conduct as a government or a political entity , It has its own laws and regulations its complete so it can function as a country perfectly well.

PS: this is all over the place i know but hopefully you can see what i'm trying to say , i'll clean it up once i sleep peace.