Are we indigenous to the Horn of Africa? Where did the Somali people come from?

[Som]

It's outdated, since if that was the case Somalis would be rich in Horner HG ancestry.It seems SL/Eastern Ethiopia is the original homeland of the group that gave birth to Oromos/Konsoid and Somaloids.Different waves of Somaloids going south with the last being Af-Maxaa Somalis.

Somaloids being in Southern Ethiopia wouldn't explain Camel Herding and the non-Arabic Semitic loanwords shared in Af-Maxaa & Rendille

It's a very likely hypothesis. South semitic words in af Somali can be explained even if we accept the southern Ethiopia theory.
Somaloids probably originated in southern Ethiopia as a distinct group, they slowly migrated to modern day southern Somalia and formed the modern somaloids groups like garre and ancestors of Maay speakers, then we further moved north and reached Ogadenia, somaliland. If we diverged from Maay speakers 2000 years ago we could say that somalis reached the north around the first century d.c maybe earlier so Once we reached the north we got influenced by south Arabians and then moved back to the south as modern maxaa tiri speakers, Arab sources confirm hawiyes lived in Merca in the 12 the century so we can guess that we probably occupied our present day land a few centuries before. Somalis share roots with other horners but we are still genetically distinct from them and about 10% more Subsaharan African, this may be explained by the fact we weren't in the red sea/gulf of aden coast when modern day habesha ancestors got influenced by south Arabians

 

[Som]

@Al-Ma'mun the southern Ethiopia theory also explains why we are linguistically closer to oromos as we are lowland wast cushitic speakers. If we originated from the north se would have probably adopted an Agaw like language or a beja like north cushitic language, but on the contrary we are closer to southern ethios and rendille. If you hear rendille it's sounds very somaloid, it's the only cushitic language that you can understand a bit if you speak af somali

 

[Nilotic]

@Al-Ma'mun the southern Ethiopia theory also explains why we are linguistically closer to oromos as we are lowland wast cushitic speakers. If we originated from the north se would have probably adopted an Agaw like language or a beja like north cushitic language, but on the contrary we are closer to southern ethios and rendille. If you hear rendille it's sounds very somaloid, it's the only cushitic language that you can understand a bit if you speak af somali

Very informative read, mate

 

[Som]

Another indication of our south Ethiopia origins may be waaq culture and religion. The only people in the horn who still worship waaq are pagan oromos and other south Ethiopian people like konso for example

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

Not really Afar's recently migrated South into the Ethiopia Afar triangle, they probibally migrated from the Eritrean Highlands this can be explained by the fact that they carry Nilotic and Semetic Y haplogroups and that their language split from Saho who live in Central Eritrea. So Somalis and Oromo's were the original North East inhabitants of Ethiopia around the Shewa and Wollo regions they gradually migrated south. Also I believe that the ancestors of the Somalis lands extended from the Somali paninsuala along the Eritrean lowlands all the way to Beja Sudan lands. I believe the Somaloid connection to Sudan Egypt was disrupted after the Abysinian migrated to the Horn around 2500 years ago, hence Somalis closest paternal kin are the Sudanese Egyptians EV32 carriers.

 

[Hamzza]

Another indication of our south Ethiopia origins may be waaq culture and religion. The only people in the horn who still worship waaq are pagan oromos and other south Ethiopian people like konso for example

Rendille who are somaloid group still worship waaq.
If you want to know were modern somalis originated, which relegion they followed if they were cattle or camel herders. Only look at rendille and the other oromized somaloid groups like gabbra and sakuye.

 

[Hamzza]

Not really Afar's recently migrated South into the Ethiopia Afar triangle, they probibally migrated from the Eritrean Highlands this can be explained by the fact that they carry Nilotic and Semetic Y haplogroups and that their language split from Saho who live in Central Eritrea. So Somalis and Oromo's were the original North East inhabitants of Ethiopia around the Shewa and Wollo regions they gradually migrated south. Also I believe that the ancestors of the Somalis lands extended from the Somali paninsuala along the Eritrean lowlands all the way to Beja Sudan lands. I believe the Somaloid connection to Sudan Egypt was disrupted after the Abysinian migrated to the Horn around 2500 years ago, hence Somalis closest paternal kin are the Sudanese Egyptians EV32 carriers.

Afars are also lowland east cushitic speakers, today 20 of the 25 lowland east cushitic languages are spoken by people in southern ethiopia.

So Somalis and Oromo's were the original North East inhabitants of Ethiopia around the Shewa and Wollo regions they gradually migrated south.

The original inhabitans of wollo were/are south ethio-semites and central cushitic speakers like Agaw, oromo's are new comers to that region, and somalis were never in wollo or shewa.

 

[tariq moses]

Another indication of our south Ethiopia origins may be waaq culture and religion. The only people in the horn who still worship waaq are pagan oromos and other south Ethiopian people like konso for example

Afars still retained the Waaq stuff until relatively recently, they live in the North.

 

[Hamzza]

Another thing that proofs the somali/proto somali presence in southern ethiopia/northern kenya is the huge influence somali have had on nilotic languages of that region, e.g. Somali loanwords on the vocabulary of number of soth nilotic languages.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

@Al-Ma'mun the southern Ethiopia theory also explains why we are linguistically closer to oromos as we are lowland wast cushitic speakers. If we originated from the north se would have probably adopted an Agaw like language or a beja like north cushitic language, but on the contrary we are closer to southern ethios and rendille. If you hear rendille it's sounds very somaloid, it's the only cushitic language that you can understand a bit if you speak af somali

There are way to many holes in this southern hypothesis from a genetic and linguistic perspective.It's clear Lowland East originated probably around Djibouti/SL/Awash river and the Oromoid-Konsoid and Somaloid branches branchd off in modern K5/SL with the proto-Somaloids heading towards Eastern SL.Then around the time we received the bronze age Somali E-Y18629 lineage from NE Africa, camel herding and Yemeni ancestry we had various Somaloid migrations south from Eastern SL/PL with the last wave being Northern Maxaa speakers (Daarood expansion)

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

Another thing that proofs the somali/proto somali presence in southern ethiopia/northern kenya is the huge influence somali have had on nilotic languages of that region, e.g. Somali loanwords on the vocabulary of number of soth nilotic languages.
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Could be other Cushitic languages like the extinct Southern Cushites and extinct branches of East Cushites.There's no proof that SE African languages have proto-Somaloid loanwords

 

[Som]

There are way to many holes in this southern hypothesis from a genetic and linguistic perspective.It's clear Lowland East originated probably around Djibouti/SL/Awash river and the Oromoid-Konsoid and Somaloid branches branchd off in modern K5/SL with the proto-Somaloids heading towards Eastern SL.Then around the time we received the bronze age Somali E-Y18629 lineage from NE Africa, camel herding and Yemeni ancestry we had various Somaloid migrations south from Eastern SL/PL with the last wave being Northern Maxaa speakers (Daarood expansion)

What yemeni ancestry bro? We have the least Yemeni / southarabian ancestry in the horn. Even wolayta omotic speakers have more Yemeni than us.

 

[Teflon]

What yemeni ancestry bro? We have the least Yemeni / southarabian ancestry in the horn. Even wolayta omotic speakers have more Yemeni than us.

so how do central Ethiopians have more Yemeni that us??

makes no logical sense

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

What yemeni ancestry bro? We have the least Yemeni / southarabian ancestry in the horn. Even wolayta omotic speakers have more Yemeni than us.

Didn't say we have the highest but it is there between 2-10% depending on the individual all have it including the Rendille.Same thing with the Semitic (non-Ethio-Semitic or Arabic) loanwords found in Somali related to camel herding pastoralism found from Northern Af-Maxaa.Plus Somalis have very little Ethiopian HG ancestry which strengthens my theory that we were likely very far and isolated from the Highlands (Sanaag fits the bill as isolated from Ethio Hg ancestry yet easy for coastal Arabians to arrive)

 

[Som]

so how do central Ethiopians have more Yemeni that us??

makes no logical sense

Cause they mixed with habeshas. .modern christian oromos are pretty much half habesha