Arranged marriages

[Moe]

The thread almost died until he mention she is underage and first cousin.

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[jemappelle]

Kids don’t think about Zina at that age.

They actually do. I literally thought about it since year 4, so did alot of other kids, we used to talk about it alot, every kid is different, I know people who only cared about girls when they became 13 and I know kids who were horny at 10 years old, You know what thinking back on it it was a real problem in my youth I had and alot of kids had, stopping urself from getting a girlfriend or kssing a girl or something like that is difficult.

Even in the past, marriage for kids was about alliance. It was for a purpose much bigger than desire. It was political and kids ect. That is why you find that when you look at past data, child marriage was prevalent amongst the noble and heirs of kings.

I agree with this but it doesn't make it immoral, it also doesn't mean that a young kid marrying someone is always for political reasons. it could just be cultural

Generally, on average a girl in the 1800s which is only what, 130 yrs ago could expect to live up to just 42 yrs.

In which country?

So, imagine the medieval period in which the biggest killer of women was pregnancy?

That was the medieval period, is this restricted to european countries or others you have studied? Also how do you know it was the biggest killer? was this also due to other circumstances such as incorrect medical practices during that time?

For instance women aren’t even dying the same rate of giving birth.

Women didn't die at the same rate as giving birth in the past, if that happened we wouldn't exist right now, to have a sustainable population women have to survive for a long enough time to give brith to a certain amount of children, if the amount of women died as kids being born we wouldn't have a nother generation of people

Also add in infant mortality rate. A mother could expect to lose many of her children before the age of 5. So starting younger made sense.

It made sense but as I said before not all the women had alot of kids so it was still a custom even if the women didn't have children.

I know this. I’m a woman and I know more than you. 9 is incredibly early time to start. Look it up. Kids don’t usually start their periods in year 5. That is fact.

I know cos girls in my class started getting their periods from year 5, numerous studies on the chemicals in our envornment show early onset puberty is increasing now, also age of puberty changes depending on where you live, every girl is different so you can't make a sweeping over generalisation, some girls get their period very late in teenage years but we would still treat them like a teenager not a 6 year old girl

My sister is a doctor and there is a medical component to it as well,

How much research is their on that though?

A lot of it is due to girls bodies not being fully developed despite having periods.

How old are we talking? most girls bodies are fully developed by 14/15, some even 13

Nope, there are legit medical reasons. Most young girls bodies don’t finish developing despite starting their periods.

Most not all, thats why I say its a case by case basis

 

[Dualke]

You do know scholars who are okay with Childs marriages also believed that fathers should wait until marrying off their kids and that the Prophet s.a.w didn’t want his own daughters marry the Sahabas who were much older than Fatima r.a. Were they feminists?

No, so get out of here you weirdo.

There is nothing in Islam to suggest that marrying a child/teen is better.

I highly doubt you would have that reaction if it was a thread about a young man marrying a 40 yr old woman. You’d probably advise him to get with someone younger you hypocrite.

You believe that Muslim governments should restrict marrying pubescents. Do you have a reason as to what would warrant this change in legislation? You claim it is because Muslim men who marry pubescent do so out of immoral reasons. Saying this implies three scenarios:
1 - There has been a nebulous shift in Muslim men from the 7th century marrying pubescent children out of moral reasons to immoral reasons in the 21st century
2 - The morality of marrying pubescent children is contingent upon the time period (moral relativism)
3 - Muslim men during the 7th century, including the Prophet and sahabas did something immoral.
Pick your poison. I'll concede to you if you can justify this very simple point - but knowing you you'll probably subtly derail this post or call me a "misogynist bigot" for the 50th time. Doesn't matter, any self respecting Muslim can see through your schtick.