AS fighters release new video humiliating JL Madoobe forces

[Thegoodshepherd]

Teknikos are not worth it in the thick vegetation of Jubba Hoose. Notice how the AS fighters are all infantry, they're using the bushes and tall grass as cover as they rain hell on the better-equipped JL soldiers. Somalia needs a drone fleet to deal with these bastards.

Technicals are not worth it anywhere in Somalia. All that they are good for is carrying water, food and ammunition. What you need are troop carrying trucks, AK47s, RPGs, PKMs and maybe 1 technical for every 50 men.

The most effective force in Somalia will be one that heavily infantry based. Every single force in Somalia other than Alshabab is far too reliant on technicals.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Technicals are not worth it anywhere in Somalia. All that they are good for is carrying water, food and ammunition. What you need are troop carrying trucks, AK47s, RPGs, PKMs and maybe 1 technical for every 50 men.

The most effective force in Somalia will be one that heavily infantry based. Every single force in Somalia other than Alshabab is far too reliant on technicals.

The problem upgrading the technical edge will also mean everyone eventually will upgrade and it's back to square one and stalemate, but this time with just a bigger death toll. The UN should never of lifted the arms embargo a decision that they will regret in the future but it can be re applied anyways so their probably not that concerned before the weapons they have degrade, malfunction, no maintained or resale opportunities.

Strategy is the only way to win in Somalia, especially when everything is so evened out.

 

[TheLand]

Technicals are not worth it anywhere in Somalia. All that they are good for is carrying water, food and ammunition. What you need are troop carrying trucks, AK47s, RPGs, PKMs and maybe 1 technical for every 50 men.

The most effective force in Somalia will be one that heavily infantry based. Every single force in Somalia other than Alshabab is far too reliant on technicals.

Do you also include Suugs under technical?

 

[Juke]

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[DR OSMAN]

@TheLand I really do hate that country what better way to destroy an enemy but let them destroy themselves thru corruption and naming 30 year old generals like odowa, the world armies must be having a field day like these guys are harming themselves

How the f*ck do U corrupt military rankings which happens in Somalia. ppl lives are on the line. Money is on the line, win and lose is on the line, yet they still corrupt it. I would stand down immediately if I was in such army as a soldier.

Hawiyenimo is not good for hawiye or any Somali it's a poison to cripple us from the inside is what my resignation letter would read. Their are some areas aan la siyasadayn Karin like health, education, security. It's a critical institution positions and ranks can only be on a meritocracy not political or clan decision making 4.5, if it wants to succeed if not it will fail and self implode.

 

[_Yusuf_]

Do you also include Suugs under technical?

Nope, zuugs destroy cover easily and rip through enemy vehicles with ease. Not much cover in somalia that can withstand zuug rounds.

 

[TheLand]

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[TheLand]

Nope, zuugs destroy cover easily and rip through enemy vehicles with ease. Not much cover in somalia that can withstand zuug rounds.

Technicals can also be equipped with the DShK heavy machine-gun which Somalis know as 'Dhashiike', a terrifying gun that can weight hundreds of pounds and thus cannot be carried. Once enemy infantry are spotted, they won't have cover for long. 50 cal bullets will make sure of that.

 

[_Yusuf_]

Technicals are not worth it anywhere in Somalia. All that they are good for is carrying water, food and ammunition. What you need are troop carrying trucks, AK47s, RPGs, PKMs and maybe 1 technical for every 50 men.

The most effective force in Somalia will be one that heavily infantry based. Every single force in Somalia other than Alshabab is far too reliant on technicals.

In flat desert warfare, teknikos are great actually. Rapid repositioning plus heavy caliber fire makes for a great combo against infantry out in the open. It's bad in Jubba hoose because the enemy hides in vegetation and uses ambush tactics as seen in the video.

 

[_Yusuf_]

Technicals can also be equipped with the DShK heavy machine-gun which Somalis know as 'Dhashiike', a terrifying gun that can weight hundreds of pounds and thus cannot be carried. Once enemy infantry are spotted, they won't have cover for long. 50 cal bullets will make sure of that.

I disagree with Shepard on teknikos being bad in general. Just not the best in a thick vegetation environment. Yes I know the Dshk I have mention it before.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

In flat desert warfare, teknikos are great actually. Rapid repositioning plus heavy caliber fire makes for a great combo against infantry out in the open. It's bad in Jubba hoose because the enemy hides in vegetation and uses ambush tactics as seen in the video.

I used to think that technicals were still effective up north, but after the SSC-Somaliland war I no longer think so.

A machine-gunner with a PKM, with sufficient ammo, is on par with a technical in terms of deadliness.

The only advantage a technical gives you is armed pursuit of a defeated enemy. I think that is valuable but it is not enough to outweigh the costs.

This is of course in a Somali setting with poorly trained troops on either side. If this was a conflict between two well trained forces, the force with technicals would obliterate the infantry force.

 

[TheLand]

I used to think that technicals were still effective up north, but after the SSC-Somaliland war I no longer think so.

A machine-gunner with a PKM, with sufficient ammo, is on par with a technical in terms of deadliness.

The only advantage a technical gives you is armed pursuit of a defeated enemy. I think that is valuable but it is not enough to outweigh the costs.

This is of course in a Somali setting with poorly trained troops on either side. If this was a conflict between two well trained forces, the force with technicals would obliterate the infantry force.

Sxb, the only reason SSC is chasing HJ around like lost cattle and rounding them up is because HJ/SL lost most of their vehicles including technicals last year and SSC still has all of their plus what was captured. There is no way anyone with a PKM on foot can withstand the combined fire power of several technicals equipped with 50 cal bullets that can tear through concrete and rip a man in half lol. Technicals are the Somali equivalent of tanks and the Mongol equivalent of the horse. Even when ICU were on their way to Galkacyo after subduing southern Somalia it was due to the overwhelming number of technicals they had.

 

[_Yusuf_]

Sxb, the only reason SSC is chasing HJ around like lost cattle and rounding them up is because HJ/SL lost most of their vehicles including technicals last year and SSC still has all of their plus what was captured. There is no way anyone with a PKM on foot can withstand the combined fire power of several technicals equipped with 50 cal bullets that can tear through concrete and rip a man in half lol. Technicals are the Somali equivalent of tanks and the Mongol equivalent of the horse. Even when ICU were on their way to Galkacyo after subduing southern Somalia it was due to the overwhelming number of technicals they had.

RSF uses technicals

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Sxb, the only reason SSC is chasing HJ around like lost cattle and rounding them up is because HJ/SL lost most of their vehicles including technicals last year and SSC still has all of their plus what was captured. There is no way anyone with a PKM on foot can withstand the combined fire power of several technicals equipped with 50 cal bullets that can tear through concrete and rip a man in half lol. Technicals are the Somali equivalent of tanks and the Mongol equivalent of the horse. Even when ICU were on their way to Galkacyo after subduing southern Somalia it was due to the overwhelming number of technicals they had.

Think of the opportunity cost. These forces in Somalia have budgets in the millions. A used LC70 pick up costs something in the range of $30k in Dubai. That same $30k can buy you 6 PKMs or 23 AKM rifles. With that $30,000 you can field 2 squads of 10 men, each with one machine gunner with a PKM.

This is without accounting for the cost of the DShK gun and the labor needed to weld it to the bed of the pick up. You then have the ongoing cost of fuel and maintenance of the truck.

You will get much more bang for your buck if you focus on buying more AKs and PKMs than more technicals. Just buy some Chinese 5 ton cargo trucks to carry your infantry to the front.

 

[Somali Saayid]

You will get much more bang for your buck if you focus on buying more AKs and PKMs than more technicals. Just buy some Chinese 5 ton cargo trucks to carry your infantry to the front.

Don't they already use those trucks to mount ZU-23 guns AND carry troops?

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Replacing a problem with a bigger one. The real solution is to solve the reason for them justifying thier existence with cutting relationships with the usa, securing the borders (so they can't recruit more people anymore) and building a real army and assaulting them with tanks artillery etc take all the towns they have away from them.

This only works when facing a conventional military force, Al shabab fight in a completely different way, guerrilla warfare and Ambushes. @_Yusuf_ ’s idea of using local tribal fighters who know the lay of the land and can spend days out in the countryside tracking Al shabab movements is one that’s already borne success, The government used the Maacwisley back in 2022 to fight AS and they inflicted serious reversals on them.

 

[Somali Saayid]

using local tribal fighters who know the lay of the land and can spend days out in the countryside tracking Al shabab movements is one that’s already borne success,

These niggas don't want to free themselves from AS. If the people of jilib, saakow, buaale and the like wanted freedom all they have to do is contact their clansman on the other side or the Federal goverment and ask for weapons and support. Xaawadle wanted their land free from AS can't say the same for the rest.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

These niggas don't want to free themselves from AS. If the people of jilib, saakow, buaale and the like wanted freedom all they have to do is contact their clansman on the other side or the Federal goverment and ask for weapons and support. Xaawadle wanted their land free from AS can't say the same for the rest.

In a hypothetical scenario, ofc we know half of southern Somalia is completely fine with AS rule

 

[DR OSMAN]

In a hypothetical scenario, ofc we know half of southern Somalia is completely fine with AS rule

Rule? More like occupation, their locals are terrified like langaabs of these guys, like rule lol a ruler actually does something for his loyal subjects forget doing something for them, they even intentionally destroy what little existed.

These guys do not even semi act like a govt to compete with the govt, so it's clear the objectives are not govt but as more Somalis know it's loot, loot, loot xaa cuna, xaa cuna, xaa cuna zako zako zako and we know they reinvest in Nairobi or Hamar businesses or real estate, it's a cash cow for the local moryans running around in beards, as for the foreign element well they got what they wanted unstable Somalis not ready for development. Basically local xaa cuna interest meets arab I hate Somalis and want instability in your land interest.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Shabab only recruit kids because their impressionable and even then it's usually thru threats to family well being. These dudes cannot fool ppl and most ppl know why they are there to be a cash cow for moryans thru zako extortion while keeping arabs happy Somalia is unstable.

Most Somalis just look at them like this, some even follow their money trail and where it leads too
I'm sure U heard the phrase follow the money and U shall see what everyone intention is.