Atatürk - Saudi Arabia: 10-0 👍

Mustafa Kemal was a great general and politician. However he's thirst to make Turkey a European state stripped it bare of what made it unique. One can be modern while upholding their culture and traditions. Fundamentally, he was a net positive for Turkish people and that's why he's so loved. He saved them and did what many previous failed to do, properly modernize the nation.

MBS of Saudi Arabia is doing something similar. He's attempting to push his nation into a American model the way Ataturk pushed Turkey to a European model.
MBS & Ataturk are in no way comparable. Atatturk wanted to completely remove any Arab/Islamic influence over Turkish people and imported European culture and civilisation to replace the Arab-Islamic civilisation that dominated Anatolia for a long time.

With all the flaws of MBS, MBS just wants to modernise the economy and is willing to compromise certain Islamic tenants to achieve that objective. The main takeaway is that MBS has no plans to completely remove Arab-Islamic civilisation from Arabia like what happened in Turkey under atatturk.
 
MBS & Ataturk are in no way comparable. Atatturk wanted to completely remove any Arab/Islamic influence over Turkish people and imported European culture and civilisation to replace the Arab-Islamic civilisation that dominated Anatolia for a long time.

With all flaws of MBS, he just wants to modernise the economy and is willing to compromise certain Islamic tenants to achieve that objective. The main takeaway is that MBS has no plans to completely Arab-Islamic civilisation like what happened in Turkey under atatturk.
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hanif#

Somalo-Arab
All of that LGBT crap is propaganda being pushed by Anti-Saudi trolls. There's no law in Saudi that legalises lgbt.
إن دفاعنا للعروبة وشرف شعب المملكة لا يعني أننا نؤيد سياسة إبن سلمان المدمرة، لا تخلط بين الإثنين يا صاحبي
 
إن دفاعنا للعروبة وشرف شعب المملكة لا يعني أننا نؤيد سياسة إبن سلمان المدمرة، لا تخلط بين الإثنين يا صاحبي
I'm correcting the misinformation being spread. I don't support MBS either.
 

Bazed

Tired.
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MBS & Ataturk are in no way comparable. Atatturk wanted to completely remove any Arab/Islamic influence over Turkish people and imported European culture and civilisation to replace the Arab-Islamic civilisation that dominated Anatolia for a long time.

With all the flaws of MBS, MBS just wants to modernise the economy and is willing to compromise certain Islamic tenants to achieve that objective. The main takeaway is that MBS has no plans to completely remove Arab-Islamic civilisation from Arabia like what happened in Turkey under atatturk.
I mentioned they both wish to modernize. I never stated that their methods were in anyway similar. The are two men who modernize a nation, each in a different way but still the same goal of closing the gap between their countries and the superpowers.
 
You're disgrace to your ancestors
Cool story bro

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hanif#

Somalo-Arab
@Scipio Africanus

عندما يقول ابن سلمان الشرق الاوسط سيكون أوروبا الجديدة، أليست هده عقدة دونية ومن قبيل هتافات وشعارات مصطفى كمال اللعين

الحقيقة هي أن كمال افضل من ابن سلمان الدي لا يفعل شيئا إلا أن يستورد اغدر مافي الثقافة الغربية. الانتخابات والقومية افضل بكثير من الرقص والغناء والاختلاط بين الجنسين​
 
@Scipio Africanus

عندما يقول ابن سلمان الشرق الاوسط سيكون أوروبا الجديدة، أليست هده عقدة دونية ومن قبيل هتافات وشعارات مصطفى كمال اللعين

الحقيقة هي أن كمال افضل من ابن سلمان الدي لا يفعل شيئا إلا أن يستورد اغدر مافي الثقافة الغربية. الانتخابات والقومية افضل بكثير من الرقص والغناء والاختلاط بين الجنسين​
الرقص و الغناء و الاختلاط موجودة في كل دول لكن مب في نفس المستوى زي تركيا او بعض الدول الجوار الي منتشر فيها الدعارة و شرب الخمر
 
They hate Arabs because they want to be closer to Europeans. More Arabs fought for the Turks than anyone else, most arabs did not side with the British, especially not the Syrians in their country now. Turks abused Arabs and mistreated them for hundreds of years. They have no right to hold a grudge. The demise of the Ottoman Empire is mostly their own fault, maybe if they didn’t obsess over conquering cadaans they wouldn’t be so mad and some arabs and other groups wouldn’t have sided with gaal over them. You could say the Turks did that first anyway.
I thought it was because Arabs betrayed the Ottomans?
 
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