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Galaeri

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:damedamn:Ya'll need to stop saying s, it might catch on with ajanabis.

If that happens my Ethnicity will be Darood.
 

VixR

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Of course, I don't hate Muslims. That's absurd. But I disagree that terrorism isn't a big deal, and is being played up by the Republicans. Their concern for its spillage into their home countries and its residual stoking of fear as per the mechanism of what terrorism does and is specifically designed to do is highly valid. Seeing as we're, Muslims or those from Muslim background, the ones most affected by Islamic terrorism, one wonders why we're the most sympathetic to it. Frankly, the only thing I question is the way they're going about it.

But on the whole, I don't think restricting immigration and being selective with your pool of applicants or applying techniques to garner better assimilation is wrong, so even though the list of the seven countries banned is dubious and one of them is my background origin, and even though the stories of families being torn apart are sad and gut wrenching, I can't rationally justify railing against it. What we should be doing is helping the ppl who are in those conditions, but apparently only their immediate clans are expected to withstand those burdens with the way our social system is set up.
 

Galaeri

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Of course, I don't hate Muslims. That's absurd. But I disagree that terrorism isn't a big deal, and is being played up by the Republicans. Their concern for its spillage into their home countries and its residual stoking of fear as per the mechanism of what terrorism does and is specifically designed to do is highly valid. Seeing as we're, Muslims or those from Muslim background, the ones most affected by Islamic terrorism, one wonders why we're the most sympathetic to it. Frankly, the only thing I question is the way they're going about it.

But on the whole, I don't think restricting immigration and being selective with your pool of applicants or applying techniques to garner better assimilation is wrong, so even though the list of the seven countries banned is dubious and one of them is my background origin, and even though the stories of families being torn apart are sad and gut wrenching, I can't rationally justify railing against it. What we should be doing is helping the ppl who are in those conditions, but apparently only their immediate clans are expected to withstand those burdens with the way our social system is set up.

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That paragraph was so hard to read, I had to read it 3 times. I still don't know what is going on.
 

Bahal

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Of course, I don't hate Muslims. That's absurd. But I disagree that terrorism isn't a big deal, and is being played up by the Republicans. Their concern for its spillage into their home countries and its residual stoking of fear as per the mechanism of what terrorism does and is specifically designed to do is highly valid. Seeing as we're, Muslims or those from Muslim background, the ones most affected by Islamic terrorism, one wonders why we're the most sympathetic to it. Frankly, the only thing I question is the way they're going about it.

But on the whole, I don't think restricting immigration and being selective with your pool of applicants or applying techniques to garner better assimilation is wrong, so even though the list of the seven countries banned is dubious and one of them is my background origin, and even though the stories of families being torn apart are sad and gut wrenching, I can't rationally justify railing against it. What we should be doing is helping the ppl who are in those conditions, but apparently only their immediate clans are expected to withstand those burdens with the way our social system is set up.

Except for the exceptions for religious minorities that effectively makes it a Muslim ban

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VixR

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Except for the exceptions for religious minorities that effectively makes it a Muslim ban

:camby:
Eh. I think the terminology "Muslim ban" is acceptable in some sense, but not in others. There are several news outlets that have been putting out that its a, "Muslim ban made legal", i.e, the closest thing to a Muslim ban within legality, but that's not the complete picture. You can say it's a Muslim ban, bc non-Muslim religious minorities in the named Muslim countries aren't affected, but in the same vein all the Muslim majority countries outside the named 7 are unaffected as well. I don't think it's unassailable btw. And I think there's lots of things wrong with the way Trump's gone about this, cheif among them the lack of distinction for green card holders, etc.
 

Galaeri

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Eh. I think the terminology "Muslim ban" is acceptable in some sense, but not in others. There are several news outlets that have been putting out that its a, "Muslim ban made legal", i.e, the closest thing to a Muslim ban within legality, but that's not the complete picture. You can say it's a Muslim ban, bc non-Muslim religious minorities in the named Muslim countries aren't affected, but in the same vein all the Muslim majority countries outside the named 7 are unaffected as well. I don't think it's unassailable btw. And I think there's lots of things wrong with the way Trump's gone about this, cheif among them the lack of distinction for green card holders, etc.

I have you 1x funny :russ:

How do you explain the case of the non terrorist state of Iran? They don't export 'jihadis' at all.
 

Bahal

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Eh. I think the terminology "Muslim ban" is acceptable in some sense, but not in others. There are several news outlets that have been putting out that its a, "Muslim ban made legal", i.e, the closest thing to a Muslim ban within legality, but that's not the complete picture. You can say it's a Muslim ban, bc non-Muslim religious minorities in the named Muslim countries aren't affected, but in the same vein all the Muslim majority countries outside the named 7 are unaffected as well. I don't think it's unassailable btw. And I think there's lots of things wrong with the way Trump's gone about this, cheif among them the lack of distinction for green card holders, etc.

If an Iraqi Christian can come in but not an Iraqi Muslim, what else can you call it?

It's 100% a religious test that's only the tip of the iceberg.
 

Galaeri

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In the west that is

When it comes to Israel or Sunni countries, it's a different story

They explode there either, the worst they have ever done is give bachar a steady flow of weapons. And their help to the Palestinians is very minimal, these niggas are out there making hand made rockets.

They are in fact better than the countries that didn't get banned.
 

VixR

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If an Iraqi Christian can come in but not an Iraqi Muslim, what else can you call it?

It's 100% a religious test that's only the tip of the iceberg.
You're very fatalistic.

I find it strange that you use Iraq, of all places, as an example. It's the country that makes the most sense on the list imo.

Do you know that Obama invoked a similar stop bc a couple applicants, Iraqi Muslim men, managed to go through the vetting process and were sitting in the Midwest when their genetic material was linked to attacks back in Iraq?

I don't think favor for the Iraqi Christian is incomprehensible here.
I have you 1x funny :russ:

How do you explain the case of the non terrorist state of Iran? They don't export 'jihadis' at all.
I actually don't think the list itself makes solid sense. Do you know what other country tend to ban Iranians?

Saudi Arabia!
 

Galaeri

USC | Ururka Bililiqada iyo Kufsiga
You're very fatalistic.

I find it strange that you use Iraq, of all places, as an example. It's the country that makes the most sense on the list imo.

Do you know that Obama invoked a similar stop bc a couple applicants, Iraqi Muslim men, managed to go through the vetting process and were sitting in the Midwest when their genetic material was linked to attacks back in Iraq?

I don't think favor for the Iraqi Christian is incomprehensible here.

I actually don't think the list itself makes solid sense. Do you know what other country tend to ban Iranians?

Saudi Arabia!

Saudia Arabia is the worst muslim country ever. You should know better than to use them for an example for anything.
 

VixR

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Saudia Arabia is the worst muslim country ever. You should know better than to use them for an example for anything.
I think it's worth the mention. I wonder why they're not banned...they're the single largest importers of terrorism and misery in the ME.
 

Bahal

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You're very fatalistic.

I find it strange that you use Iraq, of all places, as an example. It's the country that makes the most sense on the list imo.

Do you know that Obama invoked a similar stop bc a couple applicants, Iraqi Muslim men, managed to go through the vetting process and were sitting in the Midwest when their genetic material was linked to attacks back in Iraq?

I don't think favor for the Iraqi Christian is incomprehensible here.

I actually don't think the list itself makes solid sense. Do you know what other country tend to ban Iranians?

Saudi Arabia!

I understand fascism and Trump reeks of it.

Religious test today, Muslim registration tomorrow, konzentrationslager saadambe.
 
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