Barawani girl is confused by her DNA test results

[pirater]

These "mixed" arabs look no different to ordinary arabs.

We must get rid of them

 

[Shimbiris]

cause they are mostly lightskin. cadcad is just a term for the mixed groups in Somalia.

It's exclusive to the mixed groups of the Banaadir because there was historically a divide between them and the majority mostly pure Somali inhabitants of towns like Xamar and Marka who were known as Gibil-Madow whereas any Somali with known non-Somali roots of Asian origins like Desi, Arab, Iranian and so forth was referred to as Gibil-Cad (Cadcad) because they were often more light-skinned looking than normal Somalis even though these people also clearly had significant Somali ancestry. Some Cadcads even turn up with E-V32 as their Y-DNA and with Somali mtDNA markers and of course once you collate all the NE African elements together they all seem to be like 30-40% Somali in ancestry, sometimes even more. Interestingly, they're almost always consistently 20% Desi even though most modern Benadiris never claim such origins and keep saying they're Yemeni when most of the Arab in them seems diverse and could be anything.

Historical accounts on towns like Xamar tell us some of the Arab could even be stuff like Egyptian rather than Peninsular Arab. When Ibn Battuta visits Xamar in 1331 he makes it apparent that the Sultan is a Somali (a "Berber" who are people living from Saylac in the north down to around Xamar and who herd camels and sheep and are dark-skinned Shafi'i Muslims) whereas a local prominent judge is an Egyptian, for example.

Cadcads are basically the result of Gibil-Madow Somalis mixing with the various foreign settlers who were attracted to medieval towns like Xamar, Barawe and Marka and their wealth.

 

[Apollo]

She is not half Yemeni, saxiib. I have seen Benadiri results for years and even have several of their raw samples on my computer through email correspondence with them and have used third-party softwares like nMonte to assess their DNA results more accurately than garbage like 23andme. Again, the algortihm doesn't know what to do with people who have weirdly diverse roots like being 20% Desi, 20-30% or more some sort of broad MENA mix, 20-40% Somali and and like 5-10% Bantu or more (this is seriously what most Benadiris look like and she fits the mold). That's just too weird and funky for 23andme's algorithm and it tries to make more sense of it by inserting Habesha when there is ZERO historical chance they would even have such ancestry. There were never Habesha or Highland Ethiopian inhabitants of towns like Barawe or Xamar, saxiib. Never. It was always groups like Hawiyes, Ajuran, Tunnis, Jiddus and Maay folk.

You should consider setting up a service what Davidski used to do with Eurogenes or G25 but for Horners.

Could solve a lot of the confusion, especially for Benadiris.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I could tell from looking at Barawanis that they have a significant amount of Bantu ancestry.
Some of them look mixed-race, not like this lady who could pass for a Yemeni.

 

[Apollo]

I could tell from looking at Barawanis that they have a significant amount of Bantu ancestry.
Some of them look mixed-race, not like this lady who could pass for a Yemeni.

It is exaggerated.

I have seen many of them in real life.

To me, they look the most like Indians. Especially if they don't have curly hair, you can barely tell them from Indians.

I used to live in a city with a large Benadiri community (even more than ethnic Somalis weirdly) and a sizable South Asian population, and I couldn't tell them apart.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

It is exaggerated.

I have seen many of them in real life.

To me, they look the most like Indians. Especially if they don't have curly hair, you can barely tell them from Indians.

I used to live in a city with a large Benadiri community (even more than ethnic Somalis weirdly) and a sizable South Asian population, and I couldn't tell them apart.

Interesting, the ones I have seen seriously look like mixed race people.

This is normal, different Barawani families would have different admixture and so forth.

I also have a theory that Bantu admixture in Southern Somalis, is possibly from marrying into these mixed communities.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

It is exaggerated.

I have seen many of them in real life.

To me, they look the most like Indians. Especially if they don't have curly hair, you can barely tell them from Indians.

I used to live in a city with a large Benadiri community (even more than ethnic Somalis weirdly) and a sizable South Asian population, and I couldn't tell them apart.

Can we say that "hindi" looks is actually rooted in Iran? A lot of these lighter skinned Hindi/Indians/Pakis, don't they originally come from Iranian groups?

This lady has both Hindi Asian + Iranian DNA, so basically, double "Hindi"?

 

[Apollo]

Can we say that "hindi" looks is actually rooted in Iran? A lot of these lighter skinned Hindi/Indians/Pakis, don't they originally come from Iranian groups?

This lady has both Hindi Asian + Iranian DNA, so basically, double "Hindi"?

Indians are mixed race also, but between two Eurasian groups. People who looked like Iranians mixed with wavy haired versions of the Andamanese*. Northwest Indians are much closer to the Iranians (75%), while Tamils are like 60% Ancient Iranian, 40% local Paleo-Indian.

*The Andaman islanders left India 30,000 years ago and evolved into having kinky hair, but I don't think the black Paleolithic Indians had kinky hair.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Indians are mixed race also, but between two Eurasian groups. People who looked like Iranians mixed with wavy haired versions of the Andamanese*. Northwest Indians are mostly closer to the Iranians, while Tamils are like 60% Ancient Iranian, 40% local Paleo-Indian.

*The Andaman islanders left India 30,000 years ago and evolved into having kinky hair, but I don't think the black Paleolithic Indians had kinky hair.

Darkskinned Tamils are 60% Ancient Iranian?? how strong is the Paleo-Indian look, bisinka.

 

[Periplus]

We must get rid of them

The funny thing is that most of the actual "Arab communities" in Somalia look no different from the average Somali. I have met a few Somali people who are from a Yemeni qabiil but look Somali af.

The Carab Salaax ppl are the prime example.

 

[Apollo]

Darkskinned Tamils are 60% Ancient Iranian?? how strong is the Paleo-Indian look, bisinka.

Lol, many Tamils look like dark skin Iranians. Not much of a difference between them except for skin color.

Not all of them are super dark either.

 

[Apollo]

@Pwyneth Galtrow

Here is a chart with the ANI percentages across the Indian subcontinent. It goes from 30ish to as high as almost 80.

ANI is an ancient Iranian-like component.

It is highest towards the Northwest (Pakistan) and lowest in Southern India.

 

[Apollo]

@Pwyneth Galtrow

Oops, looks like Tamils are more like 45-50% ANI probably?

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

The funny thing is that most of the actual "Arab communities" in Somalia look no different from the average Somali. I have met a few Somali people who are from a Yemeni qabiil but look Somali af.

The Carab Salaax ppl are the prime example.

Carab Saalax are different though, I believe he/they came as single males and married MJ and other Reer Bari women, whereas those CadCad/Barawanis lived in cities with other mixed communities and I assume constantly received new Asian migrants that they intermarried with.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

@Pwyneth Galtrow

Oops, lmao, looks like Tamils are more like 50% ANI probably?

Iranians are truly laandheer, yesterday I read that Kurdish people are also Iranian.

 

[Apollo]

Iranians are truly laandheer, yesterday I read that Kurdish people are also Iranian.

It was a subtype of Iranian that lived in Iran before they spoke Indo-European (current Iranian languages). So a few thousand years ago. Anthropologists call this population ''Iranian Neolithic''. I think they looked more like Ahmadinejad than like some of the paler Iranians like Rouhani.

The Dravidian language family is probably related to Sumerian (one of the first Mesopotamian civilizations). This is where the bulk of the ANI / Iranian Neolithic ancestry in Pakistan and India comes from. Those people also developed the Indus Valley Civilization. The ''Aryan'' take over of India had a much smaller effect % wise.

PS. The Somali Dir who have paternal haplogroup T descend from the Iranian Neolithic population as well. So there is some super ancient distant tie between Somalis and Dravidians, haha.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

It was a subtype of Iranian that lived in Iran before they spoke Indo-European (current Iranian languages). So a few thousand years ago. Anthropologists call this population ''Iranian Neolithic''. I think they looked more like Ahmadinejad than like some of the paler Iranians like Rouhani.

The Dravidian language family is probably related to Sumerian (one of the first Mesopotamian civilizations). This is where the bulk of the ANI / Iranian Neolithic ancestry in Pakistan and India comes from. Those people also developed the Indus Valley Civilization. The ''Aryan'' take over of India had a much smaller effect % wise.

PS. The Somali Dir who have paternal haplogroup T descend from the Iranian Neolithic population as well. So there is some super ancient distant tie between Somalis and Dravidians, haha.

The greatest Somali clan mystery is how on earth both Dir and Hawiye claim that they share an ancestor called "Irrir Samaale" if one has Proto-Iranian roots and the other doesn't..

Has there ever been a discussion or theory on why Somali Abtiris stops abruptly? Does it correlate with the Birth of Islam in the Horn of Africa?

 

[Periplus]

Carab Saalax are different though, I believe he/they came as single males and married MJ and other Reer Bari women, whereas those CadCad/Barawanis lived in cities with other mixed communities and I assume constantly received new Asian migrants that they intermarried with.

Yeah, I was making a distinction between cad cads and Arab immigrants during the 20th Century.

Apparently, I read that Carab Salaax are actually from the Mehri tribe, who are the inhabitants of Soqotra and pockets of South Yemen. However, I am not too certain on it.

 

[Apollo]

Yeah, I was making a distinction between cad cads and Arab immigrants during the 20th Century.

Apparently, I read that Carab Salaax are actually from the Mehri tribe, who are the inhabitants of Soqotra and pockets of South Yemen. However, I am not too certain on it.

Autosomally (this means the entire genome/entire ancestry, not just direct paternal lineage), the Arab Salah are 99% Somali. The only thing Arab about them is their J1 Arab paternal lineage, but everything else is standard Somali. IMO, they are just ethnic Somalis at this point.

Their clan was established by a single Yemeni male. Not an entire tribe moving to Somalia.

Benadiris on the other hand descend from a big group of Asiatic merchant communities who settled along Southern Somalia's coast. So that's why they have much more Asian ancestry when it comes to their autosomes.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Yeah, I was making a distinction between cad cads and Arab immigrants during the 20th Century.

Apparently, I read that Carab Salaax are actually from the Mehri tribe, who are the inhabitants of Soqotra and pockets of South Yemen. However, I am not too certain on it.

It's true. Carab Saalax are Meheri-Al-Mahra Arabs. That's why the Sultan of the Al-Mahra Sultanate of Yemen and Socotra was present at the Boqor of Majeerteen's inauguration.