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[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

Some nacas npc keeps restoring the edits every time this guy wants to add the previous history of somalia wlhi this is the only thing bad about wikipedia. These absolute NPC robots keep messing everything up. SMH dumb standards... We need more pressure to discover the history of somalia immdiately

Somalia: Revision history - Wikipedia

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[Dalac Bilaash]

There is a huge amount of people obsessed to alter our history in Wikipedia

 

[Keep it a boqol]

There is a huge amount of people obsessed to alter our history in Wikipedia

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[Idilinaa]

It is jobless loser behavior to be invested in making accounts ''CoastalMerchant'' to spam wikipages with exaggerations and war with people. This is really goes to show why wiki will never be a reliable place of information and why serious people don't care about it (including myself)

That ''OwlCityzen'' is absolutely correct. There was never a Somalia before Somalia or Somali national unified state before independence of 1960. So including all those random entitites as predecessors is false. Even Macrobia as the predecessor of the the republic of Somalia is laughable which is just a mythology , it's never been a real place.

He says:

There is no unified Somali state can be verified to have formed prior to independence from Italy and the UK. Refer to India and Myanmar pages for examples.

Even ignoring the fact that some of the states listed have no confirmed ethnicity, the Germany, Italy, Greece, and Turkey pages all do not list many states of their ethnicity because most were not their legal predecessors, and may not share their modern identities. Please follow the Wikipedia standard

He also seem to be well versed in the regional history, the casual observers don't tend to make these correct distinctions.

Restored last good version. Egypt's section was correct was it described the oldest state identified as "Egypt". Ethiopia's was dubious, because Axum's connection to Abyssinia is semi-mythical. Again, none of the polities listed in the section is confirmed to have controlled all of Somalia, and certainly none was identified as "Somalia" or other names describing a Somali national identity.

Likewise Axum was never the predecessor of Abyssinia/Solomon , when it collapsed only the Christianity survived not the political or economic structure or the legacy of it.

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

@Idilinaa We can accept that there wasn't a Somali nation-state as per the treaty of Westphalia BUT it is untrue to say that there was no 'Somalia' the same way there was an idea of an 'Italia' or a Germany before their unification.

The colonials merely translated the pre-existing Barr as Sumal that referred to the whole Peninsula and is centuries old.

We need to stop perpetuating this lie that the name of our country and the idea of a Somali homeland was given by colonials.

Also Wikipedia is one of the most visited pages on Earth and the vast majority of people refer to it to give a quick overview of a topic- if people are going to be keyboard warriors it'd be a decent place to change details.

 

[Idilinaa]

@Idilinaa We can accept that there wasn't a Somali nation-state as per the treaty of Westphalia BUT it is untrue to say that there was no 'Somalia' the same way there was an idea of an 'Italia' or a Germany before their unification.

The colonials merely translated the pre-existing Barr as Sumal that referred to the whole Peninsula and is centuries old.

We need to stop perpetuating this lie that the name of our country and the idea of a Somali homeland was given by colonials.

There was never a Germany before Germany, there was the feudal polity the Holy roman that ruled it and other regions, then it split into a bunch of federations and regional entities before the establishment of Germany in late 1800s. There was never one continues political entity ruling the place called Germany.

The German people existed and inhabited these lands long before the German state. The Somali people existed and inhabited historical Somalia, and was governing it under different local and state polities before the Republic of Somalia was established in the 1960s.

When they say ''History of Somalia'' they are talking about the restricted landmass and the historical development that went on it and the Somalis that live there. Bar-as Sumal is the reference to the land inhabited by Somalis. Not a Somali nation state in the modern form as we know it.

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

There was never a Germany before Germany, there was the feudal polity the Holy roman that ruled it and other regions, then it split into a bunch of federations and regional entities before the establishment of Germany in late 1800s. There was never one continues political entity ruling the place called Germany.

The German people existed and inhabited these lands long before the German state. The Somali people existed and inhabited historical Somalia, and was governing it under different local and state polities before the Republic of Somalia was established in the 1960s.

When they say ''History of Somalia'' they are talking about the restricted landmass and the historical development that went on it and the Somalis that live there. Bar-as Sumal is the reference to the land inhabited by Somalis. Not a Somali nation state in the modern form as we know it.

I meant in the ethnic sense I am aware that there wasn't a single political entity called Germany

 

[Idilinaa]

I meant in the ethnic sense I am aware that there wasn't a single political entity called Germany

The Somali people existed and the land inhabited by Somalis. Aside from Bar-as Sumal. Al-Sumaliyyah is actually originally an arabic refrence to ''The land of Somalis'' much like how Al-Arabbiyah is in refrence to Arab inhabited lands. It was employed by Somali scholars to refer to their homeland.

 

[Zak12]

Aside from Bar-as Sumal. Al-Sumaliyyah is actually originally an arabic refrence to ''The land of Somalis''

Can you post any texts or sources about this sxb? I'm interested to know since you will often hear that "Somalia" is a colonial name.

 

[jusbrowsin]

Lmao I be editting some wikis myself, going to war on wiki is hilarious ngl.

 

[Zak12]

Can you post any texts or sources about this sxb? I'm interested to know since you will often hear that "Somalia" is a colonial name.

Hey @Idilinaa sorry to bother but I'm hoping you could answer this lol

 

[berberaboy66]

The HA SL mod on there is absolutely not normal in the head.

 

[Idilinaa]

Can you post any texts or sources about this sxb? I'm interested to know since you will often hear that "Somalia" is a colonial name.

My apologies it didn't really see this. You see Somali religious scholars throughout the 1800s referring to their homeland and country to outsiders as Al-Soomaliyah, not unlike how Arabs referred to their land as Arabiyaah and Sudan calling their Al-Sudaniyah and Magreb as Magbrebiyah

But here is a text from the Darawish Ambasador to the Ottomans and even laid out the borders of the traditional Somali territories describing that it reaches as far south as Mogadishu and as far west as the borders of Al-Habasha (around Harar) & has always been independent.

He refers to the land as Al-Soomaliyah collectively.

So the name isn't a colonial one, Somaliland is a colonial name but not Somalia.

 

[Keo]

Elon wants to buy Wikipedia, so that should already tell you.

 

[Zak12]

My apologies it didn't really see this. You see Somali religious scholars throughout the 1800s referring to their homeland and country to outsiders as Al-Soomaliyah, not unlike how Arabs referred to their land as Arabiyaah and Sudan calling their Al-Sudaniyah and Magreb as Magbrebiyah

But here is a text from the Darawish Ambasador to the Ottomans and even laid out the borders of the traditional Somali territories describing that it reaches as far south as Mogadishu and as far west as the borders of Al-Habasha (around Harar) & has always been independent.

He refers to the land as Al-Soomaliyah collectively.

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So the name isn't a colonial one, Somaliland is a colonial name but not Somalia.

Thank you. Yeah I read here before that whenever Somali figures regardless of region or clan would meet with foreign delegates, they refer to themselves as the Emir of Somalis or the ruler of all Somalis. That is a strong indication that Somalis were very conscious about their ethnic and cultural ties across.

And of course there is that nonsense north-south dichotomy that people like to push in Somali histography where they pretend that waqooyi and koonfur were completely separate regions in order for them to justify why Somalis shouldn't be united when in reality, all Somali clans and polities were economically linked as you mentioned many times before. The north and south only became "different" as a result of colonialism so in other words, artificially imposed laws that caused Somalis to drift away from each other which then warped some Somalis perception that they were always different.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Warsangeli sultanate page getting deleted was bitter sweet