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[Young Popeye]

Not really Zanj was the name they had for Bantu population from in the Swahili States in south. It was an Ethnonym for ''Bantus''

This is one of the mistakes many Western Oriental writers like Ali Jimale /Ali Mukhtar make when they speak of Mogadishu they tend to lump it with the Swahili world , despite the Arab world were direct in distinguishing us from them. So this is an assertion they are copying and pasting into Somali historiography.

Plus Land of the Barbars was an earlier Pre-Islamic denote for Somalis used by the Greeks and Ancient Egyptians, which was then afterwards carried by the Arabs ,so it existed way before there was any mention of the word Zanj.

There is no actua sources mentioning Mogadishu being part of Bilad Al Zanj there are only mentions of Southern Somalia(Including Mogadishu) being part Bilad Al Barbar and inhabited by Barbars.


For example one of the sources include the twelfth century Syrian historian Yaqut al-Hamawi, who explained that the inhabitants of Mogadishu were dark-skinned Berbers (the ancestors of the Somali). From J. D. Fage, Roland Oliver, Roland Anthony Oliver, The Cambridge History of Africa, (Cambridge University Press: 1977), p. 190.:



And the Moroccan traveler Ibn Battuta, who visited the city in 1331 and made sure to distinguish between the inhabitants of the Bilad al-Barbar ("The Land of the Berbers", which was the medieval Arabic name for the Somali coast) and the Bilad al-Zanj ("The Land of the Zanj, which was the old Arabic name for the Swahili coast to the south of it). From The Rise and Fall of Swahili States by Chapurukha Makokha Kusimba, p.58:

harla lived in mogadishu and they were speaking harla prior to somali, you can recognize this by comparing harari language and reer hamar dialects. muqdish means hot land literally. berber seems to be a hasty generalization for the non negroid, hamitic people of africa. even libyans are called berber.

 

[maestro]

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No Mogadishu was never belonged to zanj, the old name of Mogadishu was Sarapion read this book Periplus of the erthraean sea.


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The most prominent cities of the Old World from the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea.

• Botiala – In ancient times, the port city of Botiala transported goods such as aromatic woods, gum and incense to Indian, Persian and Arab merchants
• Bulhar – Old town in the northwestern Awdal province. It is likely the commercial Port of Isis of antiquity, which was a center for myrrh commerce.
• Cape Guardafui – Known in ancient times as the Cape of Spices, it was an important place for the ancient cinnamon and Indian spice trade.
• Damo – Ancient port town in northern Somalia. It likely corresponded with the Periplus"Market and Cape of Spices". Holds many historical artefacts and structures, including ancient coins, Roman pottery, drystone buildings, cairns, mosques, walled enclosures, standing stones and platform monuments.[26]
• Essina – Ancient emporium possibly located between the southern ports of Barawa and Merca, based on Ptolemy's work.
• Gondal – Ancient town in southern Somalia. It is considered a predecessor of the port city Kismayo.[27]
• Malao – Ancient port city known for its commerce in frankincense and myrrh in exchange for cloaks, copper and gold from Arsinoe and India.
• Mosylon – The most important ancient port city of the Somali Peninsula, it handled a considerable amount of the Indian Ocean trade through its large ships and extensive harbor.
• Mundus – Ancient port engaged in the fragrant gum and cinnamon trade with the Hellenic world.
• Opone – In ancient times, the port city of Opone traded with merchants from Phoenicia, Egypt, Greece, Persia and the Roman Empire, and connected with traders from as far afield as Indonesia and Malaysia, exchanging spices, silks and other goods.
• Sarapion – Ancient port city in Somalia. It is the possible predecessor of Mogadishu.
• Sesea – Ancient city-state in northern Somalia.
• Tabae – Ancient port where sailors on their way to India could take refuge from the storms of the Indian Ocean.

They added Mogadishu Kismayo etc. to land of Barbara because they are now part of Somalia and it fits more with the current status where Somalis are dominant in Mogadishu.
If Mogadishu was part of Kenya. These white historians would've included it as Al-Zanj and not Barbara.

Periplus also mentions Raptor and Anzania which are further south than Sarapion so if they are not part of Barbara then neither is Mogadishu. From Sarapion upto Tanzania was a Persian colony and never found by Somalis.

Don't forget that Somalis migrated from Barbara/the North. Like the Ajuran. They never settled in the south which was at that time mostly empty or had Eastern Cushitic people. On the coast, the Parthian empire had colonies to export minerals and slaves from. Somalis conquered the South not before the 13th century. The first ones to expand south was Ajuran

Somalis like today didn't even exist in 200 BC lmao. And if we did we were primarily settled on Barbara coast (Northern Region) not the south.

 

[Storm]

There is a clan named "Harla Koombe"-brother of Geri, Cabdi and Harti Koombe. Similar name or are they connected? Somali history is so fascinating, too bad our history is mostly oral and not written down.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Don't forget that Somalis migrated from Barbara/the North. Like the Ajuran. They never settled in the south which was at that time mostly empty or had Eastern Cushitic people. On the coast, the Parthian empire had colonies to export minerals and slaves from. Somalis conquered the South not before the 13th century. The first ones to expand south was Ajuran

Saldanadda Muqdisho (which was a prosperous trading empire) existed before it eventually became part of Dawladii Ajuuran. Do you have proof that the expansion south was so recent?

 

[Young Popeye]

There is a clan named "Harla Koombe"-brother of Geri, Cabdi and Harti Koombe. Similar name or are they connected? Somali history is so fascinating, too bad our history is mostly oral and not written down.

No its not just oral, its in the history books but is being ignored. The Westerners wont talk about it because it will unite the region. Yes Harti Geri all are connected to harla, they are mentioned in the futuh al habasha book as fighters for the imam. Check my post on Harla http://www.somalispot.com/threads/harla-tribe-ancestors-of-the-horn.13946/

 

[maestro]

Saldanadda Muqdisho (which was a prosperous trading empire) existed before it eventually became part of Dawladii Ajuuran. Do you have proof that the expansion south was so recent?

The Mogadishu Sultanate, like the Kilwa Sultanate was ruled buy a group of outsiders possibly Arabs/Persians. Mogadishu's dynasty was called "Muzzafar" that should give you a hint that the people ruling weren't Somali. The Somalis came in the 1200s and have been ruling it for 800 years.

We have no reason to claim a colony that was nothing before being made into one of the biggest cities in Africa both historically and right now by the Somalis.

 

[Grant]

Cumar Maxamuud Hilowle of the Yacquub Abgaal succeeded the Muzzafar of Yemen in about 1674 and the Abgaal have had local control pretty much ever since. Mogadisho was conquered by Sultan Sayyid Sa'id ibn Sultan al-Sa'id al-Busaid of Oman about 1830. The Omani-Zanzibaris sold their interests to the Italians in 1905.