Where did I accuse you of such things?
I was going to ignore you but this is just too outrageous to pass up.
According to Islam, you can only claim your REAL ancestral lineage, our REAL ancestral lineage is Daarood Jeberti, NOT "Samaale" or "Soomaali".
We chose to name ourselves after the history of the land we inhabit aka Puntland. That is our right and our choice.
Whether you like it or not, Puntites aka Reer Dal Udug have always had a separate history, we even had our own written script and system of rule, one YOUR PEOPLE did not share or create with us.
We are not obliged to claim a name that belongs to a deceased man that is NOT our forebear.
For instance; if we lived in Eritrea like our Jeberti cousins, our nationality would be "Eritrean" but our ethnic group would remain Jeberti NOT "Samaale" aka "Somali". Our cousins in Oman are called after their clan names as is the Islamic practise, NOT "Somali".
If YOUR ancestor was called "Samaale" aka "Somali", claim him because that's YOUR history. Not ours.
Qabiil is just folktales at the end of the day. Daroods are the same as the rest of Somalis.I was going to ignore you but this is just too outrageous to pass up.
According to Islam, you can only claim your REAL ancestral lineage, our REAL ancestral lineage is Daarood Jeberti, NOT "Samaale" or "Soomaali".
We chose to name ourselves after the history of the land we inhabit aka Puntland. That is our right and our choice.
Whether you like it or not, Puntites aka Reer Dal Udug have always had a separate history, we even had our own written script and system of rule, one YOUR PEOPLE did not share or create with us.
We are not obliged to claim a name that belongs to a deceased man that is NOT our forebear.
For instance; if we lived in Eritrea like our Jeberti cousins, our nationality would be "Eritrean" but our ethnic group would remain Jeberti NOT "Samaale" aka "Somali". Our cousins in Oman are called after their clan names as is the Islamic practise, NOT "Somali".
If YOUR ancestor was called "Samaale" aka "Somali", claim him because that's YOUR history. Not ours.
The famous Sheikh Darood/ Abdirahman bin Isma'il al-Jabarti (founder of the Darod clan) also has a seemingly fraudulent genealogy that actually holds up somewhat less than Sheikh Ishaq's does if you place it under any kind of scrutiny.
There are two variants of Sheikh Darod's genealogy but both are fundamentally the same in where they fall apart:
The first was one I always never doubted in terms of validity because it was to be found in a 9th Century history book written by the somewhat famous Al-Masudi, the book being called Aqeeliyoon however it was written roughly 200 years after the genealogy's founding father (Aqeel bin Abi Talib) died:
Abdirahman Bin Isma'il Bin Ibrahim Bin Abdirahman Bin Muhammed Bin Abdi Samad Bin Hanbal Bin Mahdi Bin Ahmed Bin Abdalle Bin Muhammed Bin Aqeel Bin Abi-Talib Bin Abdul-Mutalib Bin Hashim Bin Qusaya
The other somewhat distinct genealogy is a more recent extraction from what I grasp from a work titled Allaa'i Alsuniyah Fi Al-Aqab Al-Aqeeliyah and it goes as follows:
Da'ud ibn Ismail ibn Ibrahim ibn Abdulsamad ibn Ahmed ibn Abdallah ibn Ahmed Ibn Ismail ibn Ibrahim ibn Abdallah ibn Isma'il ibn Ali ibn Abdallah ibn Muhammad ibn Hamid ibn Abdallah ibn Ibrahim ibn Ali ibn Ahmed ibn Abdallah ibn Muslim ibn Abdallah ibn Muhammad ibn Aqeel ibn Abi-Talib Al-Hashimi Al-Qurashi
The second genealogy falls flat in more than one way, to be fully honest. It's completely impossible as what is thought to be the Darod clan origin. This genealogy separates Aqeel Ibn Abi Talib (the claimed ultimate Darod clan ancestor) and the Darod clan's founder (in this genealogy dubbed "Da'ud") by about 22 generations.
Sheikh Darod's Tomb
This is the genealogy of a man who lived anywhere along the lines of the 12th to 13th centuries (a generation = 25 years in most cases). It cannot be the founding genealogy followed by the Darod clan or dynasties of theirs such as the Warsangali nor can it be the Aqeeli-Jaberti origin of the Walashma who essentially seem to claim descent from the same lineage as the Darod.
Why? By the 13th century the Warsangali dynastywas supposedly already founded in Northern Somalia and began to rule and conquer small areas of the coast. The Warsangali Sultanate's supposed founder Abdullahi Dhidin's trace back to the Darod clan founder at this juncture was as follows:
Abdullahi bin Koge bin Warmaeke bin Mahamed bin Mahamud bin Salah bin Hantale bin Amlale bin Abdi bin Mahamad bin Abdirahman
How is he descended from a man who lived around the same time he did by about 9 generations (~225 years)?
However both the first genealogy and the second one fall flat in one particular way that's even more important than what's outlined above. The ancestor "Muhammad" who is supposed to be a son of Aqeel ibn Abi Talib; doesn't seem to have existed...
Aqeel ibn Abi Talib was a well-known figure of his time, cousin to the Prophet of Islam and a brother to the highly venerated Ali ibn Abi Talib whose own line would grow to become nothing short of legendary. He was known to have had at least six sons as even a mere Wikipedia search on him will confirm for you:
Muslim ibn Aqeel, Jaffar ibn Aqeel, Musa ibn Aqeel, Abdul Rahman ibn Aqeel, Abdullah ibn Aqeel, Abi Saeed ibn Aqeel
Notice anything? There's no Muhammad. In fact the only evidence I've found after much digging that a Muhammad Ibn Aqeel even existed is that he is the claimed Darod clan ancestor. The fact that he is listed in the Darod clan genealogy is the main proof that he ever existed... In terms of actual records on Aqeel ibn Abi Talib's offspring, battles and so on of the time-> there is no record of a Muhammad ibn Aqeel ibn Abi Talib. He did not seem to exist.
The Islamic Caliphate under Ali ibn Abi Talib
Hell, look at his Wikipedia page alone where it is claimed that he was killed in the Battle of Karbala(with no source might I add) and this too is false. That battle's notable casualties including those of Aqeeli descent were well documented; a Muhammad ibn Aqeel was simply not among them/ there is no record of him in the battle though it is well-known that his supposed brother Muslim ibn Aqeel participated in the battle. Please do look into this yourself if you find it hard to believe.
She actually rejects calling herself Somali.
She actually rejects calling herself Somali.
I mean... I just don't understand what went wrong.
So you believe that a flying Arab came and gave birth to 5 million people? Do you believe you're an Arab?
I'm not saying that daroods don't have a common ancestor, I'm just trying to say that daroods are the same as the rest of Somalis(which is backed by genetics). He might of existed but the notion of him being an Arab is false since most daroods have hablogroup e1b1b1 whereas Arabs have hablogroup j.My grandfather knew his grandfather and so forth. If you believe your lineage to be false, go for it. But I know mine is real.
Are you also going to claim Majerteen is fake? Or even closer; Cali Saleebaan for example?
That we just happen to have the same abtirsi and we just happen to live next to each other?
DNA testing has linked Daarood clans as closely together as the abtirsi we have.
Even in the book written about the conquest of Abysinnia (EARLY 16th CENTURY), Harti was mentioned as ONE clan.
So, tell us, when did we invent this "fairytale"?
After a few hundred years, people like you will claim that YOU did not even exist because "qabiil is just folktales".
I can already see them saying: "Ethan Bradberry was fake, you just made his name up". LMAO
You didn't answer my question. Do you believe you're an Arab or a Somali?
Please show me any type of proof that Darood clans cluster closer to each, other than heresy of course.
So daroods aren't Somali? Or are they just Somali nationality wise?
