It's for this reason they should view Iran has a strategic military ally, this doesn't mean you are inviting Shi'ism to your countries. If they don't those Arab states that rely on and ally with the west are in for a rude awakening because when Isreal continues their greater Isreal project, United State and others wont protect anymore and will kick Saudi for example in favor Isreal. It will be a prime oppurtune
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It's for this reason they should view Iran has a strategic military ally, this doesn't mean you are inviting Shi'ism to your countries. If they don't those Arab states that rely on and ally with the west are in for a rude awakening because when Isreal continues their greater Isreal project, United State and others wont protect anymore and will kick Saudi for example in favor Isreal. It will be a prime oppurtune
Somebody needs to tell him that Shia or Rafidha aren't Muslims
He reminds me of Fuentes with his mannerisms
They are Muslims and fighting for the greater islamic cause, don't divide among the umma
How they're Muslims when their religion is built upon cursing the sahaba and mothers of the believers?? please don't be a jaahil and go read about the rafidha religion and afterwards repent to Allah SWT for what you just wrote now.
Lets be honest, if we are strict on principles rafida would be more islam than any sunni leader, cursing sahaba tho unconfirmed is dambi but not gaalnimo unlike siding with gaaĺo against muslims which is a clear gaalnimo and thats what every sunni nation is doing
So iran and hezbollah are more muslim than any sunni leader in the meantime except sinwar
He reminds me of Fuentes with his mannerisms
Your trippin, they are nothing alike.
Great , should Sunnis and Shias butcher eachother or what? Or should we set that aside to unite against a common enemy?
Unite with who? the people who insult the prophet companions and his wives and lie about Allah ?? that's absolutely no and yes the rafidha need to be butcherd and the religion wiped out from the face of the earth. Ain't gonna allow myself to be on the side of the people whose dirty mouth go against Aisha رضوان الله عليها و على ابيها the most beloved wife of the prophet صلى الله و عليه وسلم
That most stupid comment I ever read from a nacas who defends the people who goes again everything that Islam stands for.
Do you even what the rafidha faith or beliefs is based off??
They're based off from a jewish yemeni man who was one of the leaders of the group that started the fitna that lead to the death of the caliph Uthman RA and said Ali chosen by Allah to succeed the prophet but the Sahaba stole the caliphate from him and for that they're "murtads" and shia beliefs revolves around that by making Ali and the Imams be demigod figures who have powers and the ability to heal or offer blessings turning their graves into place of worship which basically makes them be gaalos as they're polytheist or kuffar mushriken that aren't different from the Jews.
Salah al din al Ayyoubi before he liberated Quds from the crusaders, he first went into Egypt to crush the Shia battinya state of the Fatimates and eliminate their religion where he ordered the burning of all their books since Shia whatever their aqeedah is are enemies of the Muslims.
Arabs and Iranians would most certainly not unite politically due to their historical grievances, pride, competitiveness, and a host of other issues. The Saudis and other Gulf countries enjoy the benefits of allying with the U.S., which they consider crucial to their success. In contrast, Iran is crippled by sanctions that have hindered its economic growth, yet these same sanctions have spurred the development of a defense industry that it likely wouldn't have prioritized otherwise. The Saudis and other Gulf countries will never achieve a military edge over Iran; their best option is to leverage U.S. support against them.
Mohammed bin Salman sees Iran as a military threat and desperately wants to be the only power in the region. He would love to see Iran weakened, as its influence complicates his ambitions for the region. The Sunni-Shia divide further complicates any potential unity, which is also used to inflame the divide for political reasons. It would almost be a miracle if they were able to put all their differences aside.
It’s nearly impossible for the Saudis or any other Gulf countries to unite with Iran politically, as few have the ability to put emotions aside. Of course, for the reasons mentioned above, it's also not so attractive and not worth the problems that come with these sorts of alliances financially. It would also take a lot of stepping on the toes of other allies to make such a power move
you'd have to be free and not a slave to do that. If such unity were to happen, though, it would require them to sacrifice their relationships with the West, a prospect they would never entertain, let's be honest here, maba ku dhacaan.I saw some reports circulating not too long ago suggesting that Salman is quoted as being indifferent to the Palestinian issue; it’s not hard to see he's doing all of this speaking up to calm tensions. Many regular Saudis care strongly about the Palestinian issue, and throwing a bone here and there buys him more time.
And if the U.S.'s number one ally sets its eyes on more territorial gains, there’s nothing the Saudis could do about it. Saudis and other Gulf countries are not truly seen as equal partners, nor are they perceived as competent potential enemies that could be a great threat to their number one ally.
I’m sure you have seen the video of Trump saying that he told the Saudi king they would not last a week without U.S. support and that they would have to pay up—they don’t hide how they see them. Can you imagine any U.S. leader saying that to their number one ally? I would not be surprised if a U.S. president were forced to step down for such a comment.
It has been hammered into their heads for decades: enjoy your wealth but do not ever think you have more power than you do; know your place. The U.S. understands this very well and continues to leverage it, deepening the divide between rich Arab countries and other players in the region that could also be a threat to their number one ally. Keeping all sides divided and turning them against each other is a good protection for their number one ally. Unity, however, would be too destructive, and they know this, which is why they have invested so much into dividing everyone in the region.
The U.S. is always ten steps ahead; they have put in decades to make sure such alliances don't emerge.The Saudis and other Gulf countries find themselves in a position with few choices. If they want to maintain their power, they must be subservient to the U.S. They are constantly humiliated and reminded of how weak and incompetent they are without the U.S. I’m sure they are shown replays of how it ended for Muammar Gaddafi to remind them this same thing could happen to them if the U.S. decides to pull the plug on them in case they forget who is in charge.
When the Mahdi comes, he will cleanse the Arabian Peninsula. He will also be fought by some Muslims. I'm starting to wonder, what if these Muslims who will fight him are Zio Muslims? Allah knows best.
Riftvalley
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Do you believe it is haram for Hamas and other Palestinian groups to work with Shia groups against Iran as a matter of military and Political survival?
Arabs and Iranians would most certainly not unite politically due to their historical grievances, pride, competitiveness, and a host of other issues. The Saudis and other Gulf countries enjoy the benefits of allying with the U.S., which they consider crucial to their success. In contrast, Iran is crippled by sanctions that have hindered its economic growth, yet these same sanctions have spurred the development of a defense industry that it likely wouldn't have prioritized otherwise. The Saudis and other Gulf countries will never achieve a military edge over Iran; their best option is to leverage U.S. support against them.
Mohammed bin Salman sees Iran as a military threat and desperately wants to be the only power in the region. He would love to see Iran weakened, as its influence complicates his ambitions for the region. The Sunni-Shia divide further complicates any potential unity, which is also used to inflame the divide for political reasons. It would almost be a miracle if they were able to put all their differences aside.
It’s nearly impossible for the Saudis or any other Gulf countries to unite with Iran politically, as few have the ability to put emotions aside. Of course, for the reasons mentioned above, it's also not so attractive and not worth the problems that come with these sorts of alliances financially. It would also take a lot of stepping on the toes of other allies to make such a power move
I saw some reports circulating not too long ago suggesting that Salman is quoted as being indifferent to the Palestinian issue; it’s not hard to see he's doing all of this speaking up to calm tensions. Many regular Saudis care strongly about the Palestinian issue, and throwing a bone here and there buys him more time.
And if the U.S.'s number one ally sets its eyes on more territorial gains, there’s nothing the Saudis could do about it. Saudis and other Gulf countries are not truly seen as equal partners, nor are they perceived as competent potential enemies that could be a great threat to their number one ally.
I’m sure you have seen the video of Trump saying that he told the Saudi king they would not last a week without U.S. support and that they would have to pay up—they don’t hide how they see them. Can you imagine any U.S. leader saying that to their number one ally? I would not be surprised if a U.S. president were forced to step down for such a comment.
It has been hammered into their heads for decades: enjoy your wealth but do not ever think you have more power than you do; know your place. The U.S. understands this very well and continues to leverage it, deepening the divide between rich Arab countries and other players in the region that could also be a threat to their number one ally. Keeping all sides divided and turning them against each other is a good protection for their number one ally. Unity, however, would be too destructive, and they know this, which is why they have invested so much into dividing everyone in the region.
The Saudis and other Gulf countries find themselves in a position with few choices. If they want to maintain their power, they must be subservient to the U.S. They are constantly humiliated and reminded of how weak and incompetent they are without the U.S. I’m sure they are shown replays of how it ended for Muammar Gaddafi to remind them this same thing could happen to them if the U.S. decides to pull the plug on them in case they forget who is in charge.
You are right Salman was pushing really hard to be allowed Nuclear weapons and using Iran as a justifier.
It would be better if they were pragmatic and saw the writings on the wall and think long term. The Mahdi will deal with them , InshaAllah.
Shia groups who went to Syria and killed innocent Syrians where they committed dozens of massacres, Yes Hamas shouldn't work or be allies with the people whose hands are soaked of the blood of your people.
Riftvalley
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The Palestinian groups are self sufficient to an extent and recent reports show they are not reliant on Iran as previously thought. That said, a tactical coordination and communication with the Shia group in Lebanon is a necessity at the moment and there are Palestinian groups in Lebanon there. Iran is still needed for certain things.
I consider it hypocritical to say Palestinian groups are completely forbidden to work with Shia groups when the Saudis called upon USA to stop Saddam invading and this was done with the consent of some of their scholars(1 million Iraqi children dead under USA sanctions). From a Sharia perspective, these cases are judged by a case by case basis and there is no prohibition under Islamic law completely preventing working with Shia under the common goal of thwarting an invasion.
You are coming from an idealistic and emotional perspective. The Sunnis in Sham and the wider Middle East are going to have come to some kind of political solution with Shia groups to not strengthen the Zionists and secondly to stop the stem of the current failed state trajectory. This is idea of wiping out Shiasm and not including them in a future political settlement of those states is a complete nonsense and it’s actually laughable when it comes from Somalis. Even the Saudis know this, hence why they have opened talks with Iran and gave some concessions to the Houthis.
Taliban have made some changes to their policies to the Shia minority in their country. They’ve realised you can’t antagonise such a large minority who may become fifth column and be used against you. This is real life state building, something some of you guys are unable to fathom because you read Kitab Taw-heed, and you think every religious/ political verdict can be 100 percent implemented according to the literal fatwa of a few Saudi Sheikhs.
Only when it comes to the Palestine issue. Iran's actions elsewhere have contributed to suffering such as in Yemen where they clearly want a Shia dominated government (Houthis) at the complete expense of Yemenis who are caught up in this Saudi-Iran proxy war. Iraq too is basically an Iranian puppet state as well. And from a Somali perspective, the Iranian regime engages in illegal fishing operations and may possibly be sending weapons to Al-Shabab via their Houthi connection.
Iranian support is crucial for the plight of Palestinians but make no mistake they are not saints elsewhere and are clearly just another regime bent expanding their power and influence.
Riftvalley
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My point was that the the relationship between the Palestinian factions and Iran is complex. Somalis who live in the west coming with “but it is haram to ally with Iran, Shias aren’t Muslim akhi”, have no understanding of the shariah perspective of such alliances or even basic politics of the Middle East. Those guys are better off copying and pasting fatwa from Saudi Sheikhs in the religious section rather than discussing political alliances.
Crazy how you are attacking Iran for Yemen as if the Saudi-UAE-US coalition didn’t contribute to the deaths of nearly 1 million civilians through the sea blockade and air bombardment. The “Shia” in Yemen are native Zaidis who have lived in the region for 1000 years.
Of course the Saudis contribute to it as well. No party is innocent here, its a power struggle at the complete expense of Yemenis.
There is no Shia Islamist agenda just an Iranian one. Shiasm is an Iranian asset. Iranians hate Muslims (the gaals among them) and the Shia among them hate the Muslims, the calls for unity are a delaying tactic of sorts by them since shias are outnumbered. If they get a leg up people will see their true colours.
40,000 Palestinians dead and counting, and all Hezbollah and Iran have got to show for it is bombed out chicken farms and playgrounds. Does it look like Iran is sincere in its “commitment” towards Palestine? And I ask the same of Hezbollah.
One thing that perplexed me is that the Iranians i have met don't really seem that connected to their faith and hate Islam and Muslims, i struggled to comprehend why. I don't particularly see that with any other Muslim demographic.
But yeah, all i get from this is that both Shia and Sunni leaders lack pragmatism and foresight.
