GENETICS Buur Heybe Ancients

[Apollo]

I've been posting this for years. Maybe now someone will read it.

Modern Palestinians are not the same people as the Natufians (similar time span), neither will the Eyle be the same as +10,000 year old people. Too predictable.

Modern Moroccans do not cluster with the Taforalt samples from North Morocco of 14,000 years ago either.

 

[EDsomali]

I've been posting this for years. Maybe now someone will read it.

This is all based on Oral traditions.

Considering how the oral traditions of Clans turned out we should just wait for the results of the DNA whenever it comes out.

 

[Sophisticate]

I've been posting this for years. Maybe now someone will read it.

Hey Grant,

It's mostly pieced together via lore, which through interesting isn't entirely reliable. What I will say is that the Paleolithic inhabitants of the region are unlike any population roaming Somalia today. Everyone is genetically a more recent arrival. (@Apollo I figured as much bear in mind I was just looking for some info on the location/site).

 

[Yoo]

I'm not sure how old the samples are.

I came across this excavation when I was looking into Somalia climate during the last 20,000 years.

If I can find the age then I will update this post. @sophisticate

As for what they looked like,

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Here is the climate they would have been evolved for so.

"evolved" you believe humans evolved :siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Yoo]

WHG, SHG, and EHG

what does that mean

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

what does that mean

West hunter gatherer, South hunter gatherer, East hunter gatherer.

 

[Yoo]

West hunter gatherer, South hunter gatherer, East hunter gatherer.

Do you have any suggestions on where i can start learning about anthropology/Dna specifically about somalis? i still don't know what T1A somalis are and how they are different to e1b1b, are they related?

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Do you have any suggestions on where i can start learning about anthropology/Dna specifically about somalis? i still don't know what T1A somalis are and how they are different to e1b1b, are they related?

I happened to carry T1a lol.

Yes we are related to other Somalis both maternaly and Austromally. But, we are not related Paternally. Somali E-V12 subclade has its origins in Upper Egypt/Lower Nubia. Well my T1a subclade has it's origins in the middle East I think around the Levant or Iraq. Paternally, we don't meet up for 40,000 years.

To answer your first question, there is this awesome Sonali dude I believe his name is Isnail Awal. He is a expert on Horn African DNA and origins. You will learn a lot if you read his blogs.

 

[Yoo]

I happened to carry T1a lol.

Yes we are related to other Somalis both maternaly and Austromally. But, we are not related Paternally. Somali E-M32 subclade has its origins in Upper Egypt/Lower Nubia. Well my T1a subclade has it's origins in the middle East I think around the Levant or Iraq. Paternally, we don't meet up for 40,000 years.

To answer your first question, there is this awesome Sonali dude I believe his name is Isnail Awal. He is a expert on Horn African DNA and origins. You will learn a lot if you read his blogs.

is there a link

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

is there a link

 

[Grant]

Hey Grant,

It's mostly pieced together via lore, which through interesting isn't entirely reliable. What I will say is that the Paleolithic inhabitants of the region are unlike any population roaming Somalia today. Everyone is genetically a more recent arrival. (@Apollo I figured as much bear in mind I was just looking for some info on the location/site).

Read the archaeology. The pottery does not lie.

https://usm.maine.edu/sites/default...Range Site, Buur Hakaba, southern Somalia.pdf

https://www.jstor.org/stable/124524?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

 

[Apollo]

West hunter gatherer, South hunter gatherer, East hunter gatherer.

Almost correct.

Western European Hunter-Gatherer, Scandinavian HG, Eastern European HG.

In ancient Europe, where the best ancient DNA record currently is the most extensive, they observed this genetic cline (slighht difference) between them.

 

[madaxweyne]

I happened to carry T1a lol.

Yes we are related to other Somalis both maternaly and Austromally. But, we are not related Paternally. Somali E-V12 subclade has its origins in Upper Egypt/Lower Nubia. Well my T1a subclade has it's origins in the middle East I think around the Levant or Iraq. Paternally, we don't meet up for 40,000 years.

To answer your first question, there is this awesome Sonali dude I believe his name is Isnail Awal. He is a expert on Horn African DNA and origins. You will learn a lot if you read his blogs.

I carry t1a as well as most of my tribe do

Yemenis have 0 percent t majority are j and g

Only the closely related afars have t and other Ethiopian groups

You're a full blooded cushite sahib

 

[Apollo]

Guys, let's not turn this into another T origin debate. That is kind of off-topic.

This thread is about the Pre-Cushitic inhabitants of Somalia (before ~5,000 years ago).

 

[ailisi]

In the 1980s, an excavation was done at the Buur Heybe which yielded multiple specimens and two full skeletons.

Photos of the excavation.

I emailed the man who conducted the excavation out of curiosity of what happened to the samples and if DNA could be extracted from them.

Turns out the Riech lab at Harvard have the specimens so hopefully we can get some ancient DNA from the sites which should be ready if all goes well in October.

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This super interesting. Do you know of any other labs that have specimens from Somalia?

 

[EDsomali]

This super interesting. Do you know of any other labs that have specimens from Somalia?

Just these as far as I am aware.

 

[ailisi]

Just these as far as I am aware.

Oh,cool. How did you become aware of these specimens? Are you in this area of research?

 

[EDsomali]

Oh,cool. How did you become aware of these specimens? Are you in this area of research?

No, I'm not in this field.

Just find genetics and history interesting particularly anything related to Somalis and Somalia.

 

[ailisi]

No, I'm not in this field.

Just find genetics and history interesting particularly anything related to Somalis and Somalia.

I see. Hopefully more excavations will be done in Somalia.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

I carry t1a as well as most of my tribe do

Yemenis have 0 percent t majority are j and g

Only the closely related afars have t and other Ethiopian groups

You're a full blooded cushite sahib

The Yemeni thing is a theory we don't know if it's true or not.

What we know for sure is that T1a is Middle Eastern. You and I are still Cushites lol, we are just different Paternally to most Somalis/Cushites.

It's common in ethno linguistic groups to have different paternal origins.