You’re not being serious?
Either that or you’ve taken a big L here bro.
Btw, I’m not saying he built or didn’t build Xamar.
Can someone tell me who built the Shangani old city?
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You’re not being serious?
Either that or you’ve taken a big L here bro.
Btw, I’m not saying he built or didn’t build Xamar.
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Shangani isn’t even Italian architecture wtf. It looks just like Lamu, Mombasa, and Calanley-kismayo. The mosques and Suuqs, houses, were built in the 13th century by Somalis, Persians, and Arab traders. Wallahi you sometimes trigger me for not giving Hawiye any credit for their accomplishments even though I’m not hawiye
I give hawiye credit many times. I even said that the current xamar is build by hawiyeShangani isn’t even Italian architecture wtf. It looks just like Lamu, Mombasa, and Calanley-kismayo. The mosques and Suuqs, houses, were built in the 13th century by Somalis, Persians, and Arab traders. Wallahi you sometimes trigger me for not giving Hawiye any credit for their accomplishments even though I’m not hawiye
Bro Shangaani is older than the Italians. Did you read Ibn Battuta and any historical info on Xamar let’s not give Italians credit when all they did was build a church and a couple of roads which isn’t bad but they didn’t change the architecture.
That's BS. Italians built government offices and stuff like that but they didn't even touch the old town, actually Mogadishu had a defensive wall that was destroyed by the italians to make room for residential areas.
I know the cadcads had some buildings in some parts but lets be honnest italians builded the most
Most of the residential areas were built under kacaan.Mogadishu after independence became a much bigger city than what it was before independence.
Italian maybe built like 30% max the rest was old or built after independence
It just means non benadiri somalis/reer baadiyo. Most benadiris are ethnic Somalis specifically hawiye/rahanweynSomali immgrati in Somalia? Is this benaadiri propaganda?
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Benadiri has two meanings.
A) Refers to an ethnic minority, you know those guys with Asiatic roots. It is the politically correct term to say instead of Cadcad which sounds crude.
B) Anybody from the Benadir county/province.
Depends on context what a person means.
I remember reading some scholars suggested a swahili origin for the name Shingaani
Let's start with a few facts.
What we know as Mogadishu was actually only Xamarweyne+ Shingaani and a few other degmos (cabducaziz etc) the rest of the city didn't exist until the early 19th century.
The oldest inscription in Xamar and all of Somalia is actually frim Shangaani and was found by italian scholar of Ethiopian and Somali studies. Enrico Cerulli. The inscription is on the tomb of a man named Ahmed Al Naysaburi Al Khorasani, he died in 1217 and as his name suggests he was probably from Persia modern day Iran.
This means that arabs and persians lived in Mogadishu since the middle ages, however this doesn't mean that somalis were not part of the city on the contrary ibn battuta says that the ruler of Mogadishu was a Black "barbar" (somali) who spoke both Mogadishan(probably af soomaali) and arabic. This indicates Mogadishu started as a mixed multicultural city with a somali element and an arab/persian element that later gave birth to benadiris. We need to distinguish the urbanized somalis who were culturally arabized and the Nomadic somalis who were warriors.
In the 15th-16th century on the arabized somalis of Xamar allied with the Ajuuraan who controlled the outskirts of the City.
In the 16th century nomadic somalis from (mainly Abgaal) conquered Xamar from the joint benadiri- Ajuuraan alliance, many stuff was also built under the nomadic lamagoodle rule.So we can say that the city and the old quarters of Shingaani and X/weyne were built by both groups as both groups ruled the city jointly. Actually benadiris aren't exclusively descendants of arabs and persians. As you may know there's many benadiris who are predominantly somalis, the early somali nomadic clans that lived in xamar in the middle ages joined arabs to found a confederation qabil.
What we know as Mogadishu was actually only Xamarweyne+ Shingaani and a few other degmos (cabducaziz etc) the rest of the city didn't exist until the early 19th century.
The oldest inscription in Xamar and all of Somalia is actually frim Shangaani and was found by italian scholar of Ethiopian and Somali studies. Enrico Cerulli. The inscription is on the tomb of a man named Ahmed Al Naysaburi Al Khorasani, he died in 1217 and as his name suggests he was probably from Persia modern day Iran.
This means that arabs and persians lived in Mogadishu since the middle ages, however this doesn't mean that somalis were not part of the city on the contrary ibn battuta says that the ruler of Mogadishu was a Black "barbar" (somali) who spoke both Mogadishan(probably af soomaali) and arabic. This indicates Mogadishu started as a mixed multicultural city with a somali element and an arab/persian element that later gave birth to benadiris. We need to distinguish the urbanized somalis who were culturally arabized and the Nomadic somalis who were warriors.
In the 15th-16th century on the arabized somalis of Xamar allied with the Ajuuraan who controlled the outskirts of the City.
In the 16th century nomadic somalis from (mainly Abgaal) conquered Xamar from the joint benadiri- Ajuuraan alliance, many stuff was also built under the nomadic lamagoodle rule.So we can say that the city and the old quarters of Shingaani and X/weyne were built by both groups as both groups ruled the city jointly. Actually benadiris aren't exclusively descendants of arabs and persians. As you may know there's many benadiris who are predominantly somalis, the early somali nomadic clans that lived in xamar in the middle ages joined arabs to found a confederation qabil.
The clans that are typically considered reer shingani are amudi, asharaf and yacqub. First 2 are mixed last one is abgaal in origin but now heavily mixed
Unfortunately somalis online are either ultra nationalist saying Xamar was exclusively built ethnic somali or selfhaters who say somalis had nothing to with xamar and that it was an Arab creation. The Truth is in the middle
We don't have many written sources on the ethnic composition of Xamar however we can summarize three main sources.
1) Early arab geographers mentioned xamar as a Muslim city, inhabitants were described as lightskinned (white) and a minority was describes as dark skinned (black). This indicates that at least in the begging Xamar was heavily arabized.
2) ibn battuta in the 14th century described the ruler of Mogadishu as a black "barbar" which means he was Somali.
3) Portuguese sources in the 15th-16th century described Mogadishu inhabitants as black or brown with few whites. This indicates the somali element eas already predominant.
There's nothing wrong with any of this. Somalis literally conquered an Arab/persian immigrants in Xamar and assimilated the. Most africans including northafrican Berbers got arabized and politically conquered, on the contrary we somalized the arabs.
The history of somali-benadiri elations in Mogadishu is pretty complex, they both founded the city and both belong there.
Benadiris are basically ethnic somalis with some Arab and southasian admixture, if you go to Shingaani today many of the so called benadiris are almost indistinguishable from other somalis
Are the reer xamar ashraaf the same as the Raxanweyn Ashraafs in other parts of Somalia? Ashraafs don't look that mixed
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