China furious over Panama deal

[Idilinaa]

China really is moving ahead while USA degenerates with its useless western allies leeching off its back and what you and the video just outlined, Honestly the only reason why I am against somalia cooperating with china is because of how they are treating other african countries (Debt traps and exploitation) which I dont blame them cause I realised china deals respectfully with countries that respect themselves and have something to offer in return, which USA also does but to a lesser degree. Honestly if somalia gets its act together I can envision a future of mutual cooperation with china but thats just me dreaming.

Somalia has a real advantage, it's kinda of a blessing in disguise from the political situation. In return we got a locally owned economy, highly functional vibrant private sector and wealthy diaspora that can act as investors.

We don't lack domestic revenue, it's in the many tens of billions. You saw the stats i showed in the other thread FGS doesn't even collect a fraction of Somalia's wealth, now imagine if domestic revenue sources are effectively mobilized. We don't need to borrow money and our large diaspora means we don't need FDI either. We can self-finance 90% of development. Everything from infrastructure, security, and industrial growth without borrowing.

Imagine a public sector as efficient as the Kacaan combined with today's strong efficient private sector.

This realization will change how we engage with China, as we will have leverage to approach them as equal economic and trading partners compared to other African, Latin and Asian countries. When you come to the negotiation table as unequal partners that's when you need to give away concessions and possibly become exploited and disrespected.

China respects countries that control their own economies. Singapore, Vietnam, and Turkey negotiated strong deals with China, unlike debt-ridden Zambia or Kenya.

My prediction is that China will replace US as the dominant global economic power in next 5 years or so but also that Somalia will replace the Gulf Monarchs as the dominant economic power in the region in the next 10 years.

It's simply because Somalia and China are built on self-sustaining economic models. Gulf Monarchs and US economy are similar as they are not self-sustaining in the long run.

China has only one political diplomatic goal it's the South China sea, they don't give a crap about exploiting other countries outside of it or military interfering.

China builds on it's foreign policy from it's history it does not have interest in controlling distant land elsewhere. It is not a country manipulated to exact war on behalf of another country like the way the US is with Isreal.

China seeks economic partnerships, not military control. China deals with countries based on economic value.

It's kinda reminds me of how China arrived in Somalia to trade during the middle ages, Zenghi etc vs when European/Westerns approached us.

That makes China the best candidate to negotiate with because it is open to having mutually beneficial relationship in the true sense of the word. And i think they are intelligent enough to see the long term value of Somalia as a partner.

 

[Idilinaa]

Other countries have caught up in terms of economy nothing really new been happing for the past 30 years G7 peaked in 1995 that organization is entirely American dominated nowdays


Africa and Latin America have been looking for China deals for the past 20 years the west does not have a monopoly there independent nations and can do what they want Zimbabwe has a minerals deal with xi while Congo is trying to strike a deal with Trump


America is a super power not a empire don’t know where you got that from the last one was the British empire and it expired in 1997


Its gonna be a long four years if we keep fear mongering like this

China & BRICS+ nations now hold 35% of global GDP this is a significant shift from U.S.-led dominance. G7 (U.S., UK, France, Germany, Japan, Italy, Canada) now holds 28%, meaning it’s losing economic influence.

China is now the largest trading partner for most of Africa, Latin America, and Asia.

So you are wrong to say that “nothing has changed” in 30 years. The U.S. was unchallenged in the 90s, but today, China is a real alternative for many nations.

The U.S. and Europe used IMF/World Bank loans to trap nations in debt. China offers better infrastructure deals without colonial-style conditions. Many African nations now rely on China for trade, loans, and industrial development.

Countries are actively choosing China over Washington. So you are wrong it’s not just that “nations can do what they want”; they are choosing China because it offers better deals.

The U.S. isn’t just a superpower, it’s an empire that maintains influence through:

- Military bases (800+ worldwide)

- Control of global finance (IMF, World Bank, SWIFT system)

- Cultural and media dominance

But that empire is crumbling because:

-Its economy is weakening (debt, inflation, declining manufacturing)

- China is offering real alternatives to U.S. influence

- Even allies like Saudi Arabia, Brazil, and the UAE are cutting deals with China instead

Saying US is not an empire ignores how the U.S. maintains its global power.

This major denial and desperation play politics that Trump is engaging is going to be the undoing of the US, instead of adaptating to the changing dynamics, taking up a new role and changing course. He is leading a sinking ship into a storm.

 

[The truth seeker]

China & BRICS+ nations now hold 35% of global GDP this is a significant shift from U.S.-led dominance. G7 (U.S., UK, France, Germany, Japan, Italy, Canada) now holds 28%, meaning it’s losing economic influence.

China is now the largest trading partner for most of Africa, Latin America, and Asia.

So you are wrong to say that “nothing has changed” in 30 years. The U.S. was unchallenged in the 90s, but today, China is a real alternative for many nations.

The U.S. and Europe used IMF/World Bank loans to trap nations in debt. China offers better infrastructure deals without colonial-style conditions. Many African nations now rely on China for trade, loans, and industrial development.

Countries are actively choosing China over Washington. So you are wrong it’s not just that “nations can do what they want”; they are choosing China because it offers better deals.

The U.S. isn’t just a superpower, it’s an empire that maintains influence through:

- Military bases (800+ worldwide)

- Control of global finance (IMF, World Bank, SWIFT system)

- Cultural and media dominance

But that empire is crumbling because:

-Its economy is weakening (debt, inflation, declining manufacturing)

- China is offering real alternatives to U.S. influence

- Even allies like Saudi Arabia, Brazil, and the UAE are cutting deals with China instead

Saying US is not an empire ignores how the U.S. maintains its global power.

This major denial and desperation play politics that Trump is engaging is going to be the undoing of the US, instead of adaptating to the changing dynamics, taking up a new role and changing course. He is leading a sinking ship into a storm.

western countries are economically stagnating (Britain Canada ,Italy )I already said that G7 is becoming Completely american dominated while BRICS is made up of developing countries



Everything you listed above is the qualifications of a superpower Hollywood and music industry is the youth culture around the world “while American fast food and soda beverages are a common sight in every country Americanization ”as they call it I fail to understand how this is an empire America has no colonial possessions other than Irrelevant Puerto Rico

NATO countries Japan , South Korea , and Philippines are where most of these bases are located in countries that have defense treaties with the US other bases are located on choke points like Panama ,Singapore , Bahrain , Diego Garcia , and Djibouti allowing the US To protect its ships Israel the major regional power being located here is also a plus for them i

The Us economy is not struggling that’s a lie decline of manufacturing happened 50 years ago and even still it’s the worlds second Largest manufacturer oil prices and inflation have come down since 2023 with interest rates set to be cut and it’s GDP is growing at a solid 2%

Saudi Arabia and the gulf countries other than the time king Faisal governed are western vassal I see no difference between them and Israel

When will china have its Hollywood Hip hop or McDonald’s the US will dominate when it comes to soft power

 

[Aseer]

Somalia has a real advantage, it's kinda of a blessing in disguise from the political situation. In return we got a locally owned economy, highly functional vibrant private sector and wealthy diaspora that can act as investors.

We don't lack domestic revenue, it's in the many tens of billions. You saw the stats i showed in the other thread FGS doesn't even collect a fraction of Somalia's wealth, now imagine if domestic revenue sources are effectively mobilized. We don't need to borrow money and our large diaspora means we don't need FDI either. We can self-finance 90% of development. Everything from infrastructure, security, and industrial growth without borrowing.

Imagine a public sector as efficient as the Kacaan combined with today's strong efficient private sector.

This realization will change how we engage with China, as we will have leverage to approach them as equal economic and trading partners compared to other African, Latin and Asian countries. When you come to the negotiation table as unequal partners that's when you need to give away concessions and possibly become exploited and disrespected.

China respects countries that control their own economies. Singapore, Vietnam, and Turkey negotiated strong deals with China, unlike debt-ridden Zambia or Kenya.

My prediction is that China will replace US as the dominant global economic power in next 5 years or so but also that Somalia will replace the Gulf Monarchs as the dominant economic power in the region in the next 10 years.

It's simply because Somalia and China are built on self-sustaining economic models. Gulf Monarchs and US economy are similar as they are not self-sustaining in the long run.

China has only one political diplomatic goal it's the South China sea, they don't give a crap about exploiting other countries outside of it or military interfering.

China builds on it's foreign policy from it's history it does not have interest in controlling distant land elsewhere. It is not a country manipulated to exact war on behalf of another country like the way the US is with Isreal.

China seeks economic partnerships, not military control. China deals with countries based on economic value.

It's kinda reminds me of how China arrived in Somalia to trade during the middle ages, Zenghi etc vs when European/Westerns approached us.

That makes China the best candidate to negotiate with because it is open to having mutually beneficial relationship in the true sense of the word. And i think they are intelligent enough to see the long term value of Somalia as a partner.

You couldnt have said it any better, Responsibility really falls on somalia and somalis alone to ensure they are worthy enough to deal with china or else we will end up like our neighbour ethiopia who is drowning in chinese debt hence why I am apprehensive, but if that doesnt happen and somalia gains leverage and value then we will benefit alot from technology and industrial expertise from china which I support completely.

But dont you think your exaggerating with china completely overtaking USA in the next 5 years maybe in some sectors but 5 years is way too short and I reckon USA still has a fighting chance economically, as for Somalia your predicting them replacing the gulf monarchs as the dominant power in the region in only 10 years? That is way too short and honestly I dont see it happening it seems very unlikely considering how fragmented the country is and all the internal issues we have, But I would like to know how would somalia go about doing such a feat especially with unifying the people and regions.

 

[Idilinaa]

western countries are economically stagnating (Britain Canada ,Italy )I already said that G7 is becoming Completely american dominated while BRICS is made up of developing countries



Everything you listed above is the qualifications of a superpower Hollywood and music industry is the youth culture around the world “while American fast food and soda beverages are a common sight in every country Americanization ”as they call it I fail to understand how this is an empire America has no colonial possessions other than Irrelevant Puerto Rico

NATO countries Japan , South Korea , and Philippines are where most of these bases are located in countries that have defense treaties with the US other bases are located on choke points like Panama ,Singapore , Bahrain , Diego Garcia , and Djibouti allowing the US To protect its ships Israel the major regional power being located here is also a plus for them i

The Us economy is not struggling that’s a lie decline of manufacturing happened 50 years ago and even still it’s the worlds second Largest manufacturer oil prices and inflation have come down since 2023 with interest rates set to be cut and it’s GDP is growing at a solid 2%

Saudi Arabia and the gulf countries other than the time king Faisal governed are western vassal I see no difference between them and Israel

When will china have its Hollywood Hip hop or McDonald’s the US will dominate when it comes to soft power

Your point is that the U.S. is still dominant because of soft power (Hollywood, music, fast food) and military bases.

I would argue that , Economic power matters more than soft power, China’s trade dominance is reshaping global politics. Soft power is not enough, Rome for example had soft power before it collapsed. Economic power is shifting toward BRICS nations, particularly China.

China has already surpassed the U.S. as the world’s largest economy in PPP (purchasing power parity).

Soft power like McDonald's and Hollywood is nice, but real power comes from controlling global trade and finance.

The U.S. economy is not as strong as you claim growing at 2%, but you ignore the massive debt crisis, inflation struggles, and declining manufacturing dominance.

China is now the world's largest exporter and dominates industrial production. The U.S. relies heavily on financial services and tech, while China has built real infrastructure.

U.S. national debt is over $34 trillion, this is unsustainable.China holds trillions in U.S. debt and could use it as leverage. The U.S. is printing money (quantitative easing) to stay afloat, this weakens long-term economic stability.

U.S. Military bases do not guarantee global control. But military power is useless if your economy is collapsing, the Soviet Union had military strength before it collapsed.

The U.S. failed in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria despite military power.The U.S. military is stretched thin, and recruitment is declining. China wins through trade, whilst the US cannot fight a war with China without economic disaster.

Saudi Arabia and the Gulf countries no longer U.S puppets, Saudi signed major oil deals in yuan (not dollars). Saudi joined BRICS in 2023, signaling a shift away from the U.S. Futhermore, the U.S. no longer controls Middle Eastern politics like it did in the 90s. Basically, Saudi Arabia is playing both sides now, the U.S. is losing exclusive control.

China doesn't need soft power. So saying China lacks soft power like Hollywood or McDonald's, is irrevelant because it is winning through infrastructure and trade.

Heck , TikTok is already replacing U.S. social media dominance. China controls major global supply chains, U.S. soft power means nothing if China cuts exports. Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia prefer China’s investment model over U.S. financial colonialism.

Soft power is overrated when economic and trade power decide the future. You are stuck in the 90's , keep up with changing trends.

 

[Idilinaa]

You couldnt have said it any better, Responsibility really falls on somalia and somalis alone to ensure they are worthy enough to deal with china or else we will end up like our neighbour ethiopia who is drowning in chinese debt hence why I am apprehensive, but if that doesnt happen and somalia gains leverage and value then we will benefit alot from technology and industrial expertise from china which I support completely.

But dont you think your exaggerating with china completely overtaking USA in the next 5 years maybe in some sectors but 5 years is way too short and I reckon USA still has a fighting chance economically, as for Somalia your predicting them replacing the gulf monarchs as the dominant power in the region in only 10 years? That is way too short and honestly I dont see it happening it seems very unlikely considering how fragmented the country is and all the internal issues we have, But I would like to know how would somalia go about doing such a feat especially with unifying the people and regions.

For instance the China figure is very realistic, US is on decline and this 100 times more exacerbated by their bafoon of a president and their billionaire class and MAGA morons flushing their future down the drain with dumb trade wars. They don't expand their trade they are only reducing it and making things more expensive whilst the people who used to business with them are seeking alternatives. On top of that the US is dealing with internal decline (debt crisis, deindustrialization, political instability), which makes its long-term dominance uncertain.

It's at the back drop of this that China will supersede America in 5 years, like i said China has already surpassed the U.S. as the world’s largest economy in PPP (purchasing power parity).

China has already surpassed the US in global trade volume, manufacturing output, and key tech sectors (EVs, solar, AI).

It part of a richer trading bloc, The BRICS expansion is eroding US dominance in global finance and shifting trade away from the dollar.

As for Somalia in 10 years regional dominance, Somalia already dominates regional trade (livestock, agricultural exports, imports, logistics, aviation).

The Somali private sector is highly efficient and adaptable compared to Gulf economies, which rely on migrant labor and foreign-run industries.

The Gulf’s long-term economic viability is declining as oil revenue shrinks and diversification efforts struggle.

But you are right in a way though it doesn't seem realistically feasible for Somalia to surpass them in 10 years in our current political situation:

Key steps Somalia needs to take in the next 5 years to realize this:

1) Strengthen State Institutions: Efficient public governance is needed to support private sector expansion (roads, power, security).

2) Leverage Diaspora Investment: The Somali diaspora already sends $2.9 billion annually, a figure that could rise to $5–10 billion if properly mobilized into strategic investment funds.

3) Develop Natural Resources & Industrialization: Somalia has untapped oil, gas, and minerals, which could rival the Gulf’s resource economy if developed without foreign debt dependency.

4) Enhance Maritime & Trade Logistics: Somalia’s ports can serve landlocked African countries, making it the economic bridge of East Africa.

A lot of this is already in the works or kinda happening, but the political situation makes this a uncertain and might even derail it and undo Somalia's progress , that why my suggested action in the corruptions thread is key to settle the political situation.

If Somalis were serious about real change, they would:

1. Block foreign funding streams to FGS through lobbying in Washington and elsewhere.
2. Mobilize local businesses and diaspora money to finance alternative governance structures.
3. Campaign on policies that deliver real benefits, such as security and economic reform.
4. Create economic pressure on Al-Shabaab to dismantle their financial networks.

This is what meaningful political action looks like not useless outrage over a foreign-backed government that Somalis neither elect nor fund. If you do not pay for a service, you cannot expect to control it.

The two biggest obstacles for Somalia is really just FGS and AS to be frank with you. The entire Somali region of the horn is already economically-communally integrated with each-other and seemless as if they operate like a united country already. Whats barring the political integration is them.