Class struggle in Somalia? What is the relationship between rich and poor somalis?

[Marcus]

They do that in order to confuse us. That's their approach

If you challenge the Marxists on their beliefs they'll be like "Oh don't you dare about the poor? Don't you care about the disadvantaged?"

I do care about them. That's why I support giving them welfare. That's fundamentally very different than actual Marxism

Yep they instantly go to morality without ever defining what they mean. It's just about feelings for them.

There's no point arguing with them. History speaks for itself.

 

[Kaafiye]

If I have a giant pile of $100 bills, and I leave it in my room, am I hurting society? Let's say I have a big pile of $80 billion sitting in my house.

What if I burned all of that cash? Is society now poorer? The exact opposite is true. Everyone's dollar bills are now worth slightly more.

Only someone who thinks money is actually valuable will consider this to be a dumb statement. THINK

For those who are confused. It's not really "money" that we want, rather it's the goods and services that money can buy.

Money only has value in that it can buy us what we actually want. If someone hypothetically "hoarded" his money, it would have the same effect of it being burned.

My hypothetical example of a man having $80 billion in cash piled up in a giant room illustrates this point. First of all, in real life this concept is impossible. Money doesn't just "sit there" in a room. The money is loaned out to other people, other businesses, etc.

But EVEN IF this were the case. Even if that cash was just sitting there collecting dust, it wouldn't be a problem.

His $80 billion in cash represents a claim on the existing goods and services in the economy. If the money is destroyed, then those claims are eliminated. Which means everyone's paper dollars are worth a little bit more.

 

[BobSmoke]

Somali culture is pretty class less. It's more of a sharaf ting rather than class.
Mashing class structures in our culture is just adding poison to the stew.

If classism should exist, the poorest should be able to farm.

We need to invest in restoring dead land to manage and profit thru farming and packaging dried goods to reduce waste and and be efficient with making money so that the brokest family can still send their kids to school and eat nutritious food that the kids will turn stronger and sharper for school.
The city niggas will have to use some, innovate some and export them.
Only then can class exist. Just not like the way it is right now.

Al-Shabaab is a result of when the gap of rich and poor goes out of control.
No one would join al shabaab if their stomachs were full

 

[Sleepy Hollow]

Karl Marx was a man who actually believed that in the future, we can live in a world where "all workers" can unite and live in a utopia

We'd have no money, no laws, no armies, no nations, no family structures, no private property, no governments, and no borders.

He was a remarkably stupid man with ideas that my 9 year old self could debunk. Yet we have grown adults in this day and age studying Marx and repeating his lies

No man in history has done more damage to the human spirit than Karl Marx. We need to ditch that c*nt and move on

To be fair Karl Marx was very much a theorist of his time, an idealist reactionary that was capable of accurately diagnosing the gaps of unrestrained capitalism and tried using communal redistribution famous in communal agrarian communities to industrialization. His solutions boiled down to one step forward and a century backwards .

 

[Som]

This is one of the most ignorant posts ever made on this forum

Mao is responsible for the deaths of millions of Chinese people due to starvation, violence and displacement. Mao deserves ZERO credit, and he set back China at least a century

Mao did more damage to China than even the British and Japanese dared to do.

I'm not a mao supporter, he was a brutal dictator who killed millions but it's true that the Chinese communist party brought China form a poor nation to a developed country. It was at a very high cost of human lives, but nevertheless Mao had a huge impact on what China later became

Congratulations, you made an ass of yourself

 

[Som]

The US is a perfect scapegoat for any Marxist who can't defend the failures of their system

Cuba is still a shithole. So was 1970s Tanzania. So was East Germany. So is Venezuela (which wasn't even fully Marxist, but leaning in that direction). Whenever any of those nations fail, it becomes convenient for the Marxists to blame America for their failures rather than owning up to the flaws in their ideology

Cuba has a remarkable healthcare system while americans without insurance die because they have no money.
Cuba despite an embargo is much better than many other Caribbean countries. You can't compare cuba and the USA, it's silly to do that.
Compare Cub with Haiti, D.R, Jamaica etc. and you will clearly see socialist cuba is better than many of those countries in many aspects (especially healthcare)

 

[Ras]

The reason we haven't been developing for centuries is mainly because of a lack of social stratification.

No social mobility means you don't move up.

Why bother improving yourself when none of your neighbours are doing better.

If we had a feudal system in the past there would've been more innovations and overall improvements since everyone would have a goal to work towards.