Confederation Is the Only Viable Solution for Somalia

This would have actually led to more separatism and possibly independence. PL kicked extremists out of Bosaso, there is no world in which an Islamist led government in the south is accepted.
Courts extremism is one of the most overstated and misinformed beliefs there is; this was during 2006, when anti-Muslim sentiments and the war on terror were at their peak.

I think having a Taiwan-like situation, where both Puntland and the ICU claimed to be the true Somalia, would have been the best outcome. We could have had decades of talks between the parties to synthesize a new state, while on the ground facilitating peace and restructuring.
 
Courts extremism is one of the most overstated and misinformed beliefs there is; this was during 2006, when anti-Muslim sentiments and the war on terror were at their peak.

I think having a Taiwan-like situation, where both Puntland and the ICU claimed to be the true Somalia, would have been the best outcome. We could have had decades of talks between the parties to synthesize a new state, while on the ground facilitating peace and restructuring.
Then Puntland would be recognized by the international community and the south would be sanctioned to poverty. In this situation, PL has no reason to negotiate anything. The growth we've seen the last decade, especially in Xamar would not have happened.
 
Then Puntland would be recognized by the international community and the south would be sanctioned to poverty. In this situation, PL has no reason to negotiate anything. The growth we've seen the last decade, especially in Xamar would not have happened.
The growth of Mogadishu cannot in good faith be said to represent the growth of the south as a whole. These two decades of insurgency, terrorism, corruption, and aimlessness would not compare at all had we experienced relative stability and peace to restructure and rebuild. Substantial economic growth could have been achieved through the mass rebuilding of Somalia. Moreover, in this alternative scenario, there would be even more reason for an ICU-led government to normalize, similar to Jolani’s approach, to remove sanctions. Unlike Iran, which almost had its normalization deal die at the end because of Trump, the ICU could likely count on support at best, or indifference at worst, from the Gulf states, for example unlike Iran.
 

Som

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There's no federation or confederation.

Hawiye leadership has been circling the globe looking for support/money, weapons, mercenaries, etc to take down the rest of the country by force. Why do people even pretend there's some shared state building effort. Some people are building federal states and the FGS is trying to pick them apart.
True. But the FGS is the recognize government of somalia. HSM can't be in power forever, I hope we will get a semi competent leader soon enough but for the time being we must keep our country together.
 

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True. But the FGS is the recognize government of somalia. HSM can't be in power forever, I hope we will get a semi competent leader soon enough but for the time being we must keep our country together.

Can't blame HSM for everything, a lot of people agree with him. Like with him if some moderately pro-federal leader comes around he can't stay in power forever either. The door is always open. That's enough of a reason to jump ship while their states are in good shape.

FGS is dismantling federalism and the Puntland is preparing it's exit.
 
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Can't blame HSM for everything, a lot of people agree with him. Like with him if some moderately pro-federal leader comes around he can't stay in power forever either. The door is always open. That's enough of a reason to jump ship while their states are in good shape.

FGS is dismantling federalism and the Puntland is preparing it's exit.
Cool , let SSC jump the isaaqland ship then you can talk about it our country
 

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Cool , let SSC jump the isaaqland ship then you can talk about it our country
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This is why you always fail. If you can't even admit a problem exists then how can you solve it. You can't distract people from following their own interests.
 

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Puntlanders are pretty much the only ones who constantly push for greater autonomy, the rest of the FMS either don't care or aren't in a position to ask for special privilege given their instability. Its honestly better to give Puntland the degree of autonomy they desire, they will still be apart of Somalia at the end of the day but won't feel marginalized or held down by Mogadishu. The same deal can be given to Somaliland as well.
I do support this idea as long they will be under the FGS in external affairs and it will give FGS more room to fund it's stability.

If I was a president I would have made a plan to give more autonomy to whatever state that bring stability to it's region until the central government recover then slowly take control back.
 
Why is he crying about ID cards? I’m indifferent as to whether states issue identification or it’s done at the national level as long as biometrics are involved to prevent fraud and the data is centrally stored *in Somalia*. Any other objections are disingenuous and are just for the sake of it.

Somali gov offers little to no services so saying you won’t have access to services without it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. It shouldn’t be required to get a passport but you should automatically receive a national ID card upon filling out a passport application.
 
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This is why you always fail. If you can't even admit a problem exists then how can you solve it. You can't distract people from following their own interests.
Isn’t that exactly what you are doing by being against SSC following its own interests you hypocrite?

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Som

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This is why you always fail. If you can't even admit a problem exists then how can you solve it. You can't distract people from following their own interests.
I do admit the problem exist, what I'm saying is that the balkanization of somalia is not the solution. I love my country, you are separatist so you won't understand what it means to love Somali unity
 

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I do admit the problem exist, what I'm saying is that the balkanization of somalia is not the solution. I love my country, you are seperate country so you won't understand what it means to love Somali unity
FTFY

All you agree on is keeping your paper government and aid money. It is better for it to end for the sake of the people who live there. The Somalis inside the legal fiction called Somalia are suffering worse than any other Somalis in any other country.

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FTFY

All you agree on is keeping your paper government and aid money. It is better for it to end for the sake of the people who live there. The Somalis inside the legal fiction called Somalia are suffering worse than any other Somalis in any other country.

end it season 4 GIF by Black Sails
You don't care about Somalis in Somalia you are saying this only because balkanization of somalia serves SL ictiraaf obsession. Stop the cap
 
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