Corrupt TikTok

[novanova]

The comments are depressing.. darood are too busy dragging the president, hawiye are defending him and isaaq are doing the most dishonest PR campaign ever for their clanstate ilahayow ceebteena astur.

 

[Xassan]

 

[Hilmaam]

 

[Unicorn]

Heres another 1 lool

TikTok - Make Your Day

How do u guys make the video show??

 

[Hilmaam]

Heres another 1 lool

TikTok - Make Your Day

How do u guys make the video show??

lol

im on laptop not sure if thats why. i also copy link into internet then copy from webpage

 

[Unicorn]

 

[Idilinaa]

With Somalia, pointing out corruption in the FGS or its illegitimate leadership honestly doesn’t reflect much. The reality is that Somalia’s economy is entirely private sector driven, unlike most African countries where the government controls everything.


In most of Africa, the state is the biggest employer, service provider, and economic driver. If the government fails, everything collapses. But in Somalia, the government barely functions, yet the economy keeps growing. This proves that Somalis don’t rely on the state at all. Almost all services: banking, education, infrastructure, and even security are provided privately or through community efforts.


HSM and his cronies are just stealing foreign donor money, while Somalis don’t even trust them with their own. The economy thrives on private business, diaspora remittances ($2.9B annually, more than most African countries get in FDI), and local investment. Corruption affects foreign aid more than the daily lives of ordinary Somalis.


Meanwhile, Ethiopia, Kenya, and Nigeria depend on their governments for employment, infrastructure, and investment. Somalia is the opposite. Somalis own their businesses : key industries aren’t controlled by foreign companies like in Kenya or Ethiopia. That’s why Somalia has a level of local financial independence that most of Africa lacks.


Somalia also doesn’t wait for the government to build roads, hospitals, or schools. Locals and the diaspora self-fund infrastructure projects. Somali universities, hospitals, and banks are mostly privately owned. Even electricity, telecoms, and water distribution are handled by businesses, making them more efficient than government-run services in other African nations.


So when people make these lazy TikTok comparisons, showing Somali politicians with captions about corruption and "70% of Somalis living in poverty" (which is an exaggeration), they misrepresent Somalia’s reality. Yes, corruption exists, but Somalia’s self-reliant economy keeps things running, unlike in many other African countries where corruption directly ruins lives.


At the end of the day, Somalia doesn’t depend on the government which is something most African countries can’t say.

 

[Shimbiris]

The comments are depressing.. darood are too busy dragging the president, hawiye are defending him and isaaq are doing the most dishonest PR campaign ever for their clanstate ilahayow ceebteena astur.

The noisy saddax. Dir, Raxanweyn iyo minorities always like:

 

[zeilaprime]

With Somalia, pointing out corruption in the FGS or its illegitimate leadership honestly doesn’t reflect much. The reality is that Somalia’s economy is entirely private sector driven, unlike most African countries where the government controls everything.


In most of Africa, the state is the biggest employer, service provider, and economic driver. If the government fails, everything collapses. But in Somalia, the government barely functions, yet the economy keeps growing. This proves that Somalis don’t rely on the state at all. Almost all services: banking, education, infrastructure, and even security are provided privately or through community efforts.


HSM and his cronies are just stealing foreign donor money, while Somalis don’t even trust them with their own. The economy thrives on private business, diaspora remittances ($2.9B annually, more than most African countries get in FDI), and local investment. Corruption affects foreign aid more than the daily lives of ordinary Somalis.


Meanwhile, Ethiopia, Kenya, and Nigeria depend on their governments for employment, infrastructure, and investment. Somalia is the opposite. Somalis own their businesses : key industries aren’t controlled by foreign companies like in Kenya or Ethiopia. That’s why Somalia has a level of local financial independence that most of Africa lacks.


Somalia also doesn’t wait for the government to build roads, hospitals, or schools. Locals and the diaspora self-fund infrastructure projects. Somali universities, hospitals, and banks are mostly privately owned. Even electricity, telecoms, and water distribution are handled by businesses, making them more efficient than government-run services in other African nations.


So when people make these lazy TikTok comparisons, showing Somali politicians with captions about corruption and "70% of Somalis living in poverty" (which is an exaggeration), they misrepresent Somalia’s reality. Yes, corruption exists, but Somalia’s self-reliant economy keeps things running, unlike in many other African countries where corruption directly ruins lives.


At the end of the day, Somalia doesn’t depend on the government which is something most African countries can’t say.

73% live on less than $2 per day according to the Ministry of Health.

 

[gasara]

This was just supposed to be a meme about tinubu, but guess which demographic decided to butt in and make themselves the center of the joke.

These people love to embarrass themselves and make the country the butt of jokes. How many people would have guessed Somalia was the most corrupt country in the world before? They certainly know now.

Somalis hate losing when it comes to the self deprecating humour challenge. Cuz why did I look in the comments and people were saying, “We really are the most corrupt country in the world.” Though how do they determine corruption level cuz these other African countries should be on the same level as us.

 

[Idilinaa]

73% live on less than $2 per day according to the Ministry of Health.

The economic figures by the Somali government is completely unreliable. How can they give accurate information on earnings or even income when 90% of all economic activity functions outside their control? Most transactions happen outside government oversight, making GDP and poverty rate estimates incomplete or outdated.

It's like me telling you the accounting info of a company i don't even run.

They even admit it themselves that they rely on tiny limited data as i quoted the Somali National Bureau of Statistics: It shows you how incomplete their data is that it cannot accurately track informal markets, private sector activity, and real incomes.

Somalia has a highly informal, cash-less economy that isn’t fully captured in official GDP statistics.

The Somali National Bureau of Statistics (SNBS) relies on limited formal sector data, missing much of unregistered trade, livestock exports, and services.

For example the livestock trade is a multi-billion-dollar industry, but much of it happens outside formal banking systems, making it underreported.

The SBS say all of this here:

Read '' The availability of data for informal enterprises is far lower than for the formal sector, so the information that could be collected by SNBS would be much more limited''

How can the Somali government claim 73% live under $2/day when it doesn’t even track most of the economy?

Logically 73% can't even live on 2$ if that is the case then they wouldn't be able to even live or afford anything as most of the country is run by private services that you need to pay for.

Somalia’s economy is privately driven. meaning people must have income
Somalis pay for everything from healthcare to education and transportation. If 73% truly lived on $2 a day, the private economy wouldn't function. Private businesses dominate Somalia, and for them to survive, customers must have spending power. How do businesses, shops, hospitals, and schools continue operating?

Somalia’s high cost of living contradicts the $2/Day claim. A meal in Mogadishu costs around $3–$5 on average. Rent in major cities is not "extreme poverty" cheap ranging from $100–$500 per month. If 73% lived on $2 per day, most Somalis wouldn’t even be able to afford food and housing. They wouldn't be able to afford a haircut which is like 2-3$. Transport, electricity, phone services, and education are not free.

Somalia receives $2.9–$5 billion annually in diaspora remittances, directly into the hands of households. This alone raises real incomes far beyond $2/day, before even considering business profits, livestock trade, and informal markets which is 98% of the economy.

Even if we assume 5 million households receive part of this 3 billion, each household would get around $1,000 per year, which is well above extreme poverty levels.

People spreading these poverty myths fail to understand Somalia’s true economic reality.

 

[Idilinaa]

The economic figures by the Somali government is completely unreliable. How can they give accurate information on earnings or even income when 90% of all economic activity functions outside their control? Most transactions happen outside government oversight, making GDP and poverty rate estimates incomplete or outdated.

It's like me telling you the accounting info of a company i don't even run.

They even admit it themselves that they rely on tiny limited data as i quoted the Somali National Bureau of Statistics: It shows you how incomplete their data is that it cannot accurately track informal markets, private sector activity, and real incomes.



How can the Somali government claim 73% live under $2/day when it doesn’t even track most of the economy?

Logically 73% can't even live on 2$ if that is the case then they wouldn't be able to even live or afford anything as most of the country is run by private services that you need to pay for.

Somalia’s economy is privately driven. meaning people must have income
Somalis pay for everything from healthcare to education and transportation. If 73% truly lived on $2 a day, the private economy wouldn't function. Private businesses dominate Somalia, and for them to survive, customers must have spending power. How do businesses, shops, hospitals, and schools continue operating?

Somalia’s high cost of living contradicts the $2/Day claim. A meal in Mogadishu costs around $3–$5 on average. Rent in major cities is not "extreme poverty" cheap ranging from $100–$500 per month. If 73% lived on $2 per day, most Somalis wouldn’t even be able to afford food and housing. They wouldn't be able to afford a haircut which is like 2-3$. Transport, electricity, phone services, and education are not free.

Somalia receives $2.9–$5 billion annually in diaspora remittances, directly into the hands of households. This alone raises real incomes far beyond $2/day, before even considering business profits, livestock trade, and informal markets which is 98% of the economy.

Even if we assume 5 million households receive part of this 3 billion, each household would get around $1,000 per year, which is well above extreme poverty levels.

People spreading these poverty myths fail to understand Somalia’s true economic reality.

Not only do they fail to understand Somalia's true economic reality. It's the most self contradicting thing i have ever seen to peddle this nonsense.

"The Somali government is corrupt, untrustworthy so let me use their economic data to describe Somalia with.'' How does that make sense?

Despite the fact they don't control the economy and the corruption is simply them mismanaging foreign donor money and stealing foreign aid, not Somali people's money.

Anyways i am not too worried, because HSM and his cronies along with the rest will start crumbling since their foreign funding sources have dried up. The corruption comes directly from their foreign backing and it's directly tied to foreign aid.

Soon they wont have salaries, troops to defend them , wont be able to pay to keep themselves in place as Somali people will reject them. It's a nightmare scenario for HSM and his cronies.

For Somalia Donald Trump is a blessing in disguise. The Somali government is even scrambling trying to hire lobbying firms to overturn it in Washington DC and they are using the foreign aid money to do it lmaaoo, it's peak levels of shamelessness. This is how much it threatens their existence. This is how much illegitimacy it has , that it cannot even turn to it's supposed ''citizens'' for support because they know they will reject them.

Somalia Administration Under Fire for Misuse of Foreign Aid to Hire U.S. Lobbying Firm

Mogadishu's administration has once again come under scrutiny for its controversial use of foreign aid.

www.horndiplomat.com

 

[Afar indhood]

"I just arrived"

With Somalia, pointing out corruption in the FGS or its illegitimate leadership honestly doesn’t reflect much. The reality is that Somalia’s economy is entirely private sector driven, unlike most African countries where the government controls everything.


In most of Africa, the state is the biggest employer, service provider, and economic driver. If the government fails, everything collapses. But in Somalia, the government barely functions, yet the economy keeps growing. This proves that Somalis don’t rely on the state at all. Almost all services: banking, education, infrastructure, and even security are provided privately or through community efforts.


HSM and his cronies are just stealing foreign donor money, while Somalis don’t even trust them with their own. The economy thrives on private business, diaspora remittances ($2.9B annually, more than most African countries get in FDI), and local investment. Corruption affects foreign aid more than the daily lives of ordinary Somalis.


Meanwhile, Ethiopia, Kenya, and Nigeria depend on their governments for employment, infrastructure, and investment. Somalia is the opposite. Somalis own their businesses : key industries aren’t controlled by foreign companies like in Kenya or Ethiopia. That’s why Somalia has a level of local financial independence that most of Africa lacks.


Somalia also doesn’t wait for the government to build roads, hospitals, or schools. Locals and the diaspora self-fund infrastructure projects. Somali universities, hospitals, and banks are mostly privately owned. Even electricity, telecoms, and water distribution are handled by businesses, making them more efficient than government-run services in other African nations.


So when people make these lazy TikTok comparisons, showing Somali politicians with captions about corruption and "70% of Somalis living in poverty" (which is an exaggeration), they misrepresent Somalia’s reality. Yes, corruption exists, but Somalia’s self-reliant economy keeps things running, unlike in many other African countries where corruption directly ruins lives.


At the end of the day, Somalia doesn’t depend on the government which is something most African countries can’t say.

Private sector is corrupt. Also, government is basically composed of a bunch mafia/Mooryaan that is inseparable from the private sector.
For example, these private businesses employ monopolies and use violence to prevent competition. The government helps them.
Government also steals from the public (extortionate taxation, heavy import tax, etc).
Every politician/Mooryaan has a share in Hormuud, for example. Hormuud is a monopoly and engages in predatory pricing, and these Mooryaan make money when I shitpost.
Also water and electricity is monopolized, too.
Only certain people can engage in certain businesses, import certain commodities into the country, like shidaal/medications/jaad - since it "belongs" to them. All siyaasis get their cut.
This country is not a libertarian's dream. It's mafioso's.

Private kulahaa.

 

[Idilinaa]

"I just arrived"

Private sector is corrupt. Also, government is basically composed of a bunch mafia/Mooryaan that is inseparable from the private sector.
For example, these private businesses employ monopolies and use violence to prevent competition. The government helps them.
Government also steals from the public (extortionate taxation, heavy import tax, etc).
Every politician/Mooryaan has a share in Hormuud, for example. Hormuud is a monopoly and engages in predatory pricing, and these Mooryaan make money when I shitpost.
Also water and electricity is monopolized, too.
Only certain people can engage in certain businesses, import certain commodities into the country, like shidaal/medications/jaad - since it "belongs" to them. All siyaasis get their cut.
This country is not a libertarian's dream. It's mafioso's.

Private kulahaa.

The grudge ridden larper is back again i see. I actually love seeing yall come with misninformation and nonsense peddling because you guys award me the oppurtunity to display real facts about how things operate. You guys are motivated by anger and resentment not real world information or gaining accurate reliable data on Somalia.

Let's break down each claim you make:

"Private sector is corrupt"

Private sector is not corrupt at all, this is widely understood not to be. Reports confirm that corruption is concentrated in the public sector.

Somalia Vision for Private Sector Development Report​

Corruption is widespread in the government system and not in the private sector.

Private sector is actually one of the most efficient, functional, and trusted parts of the country. And it operates outside of the government interference because the government is inefficient, weak and corrupt that people have to avoid and not rely on it.

The private sector has rebuilt the economy in the absence of a strong government , providing telecom, energy, banking, and infrastructure without public funding.

The private sector is built on high trust and open transparency in dealings because Somalia operates largely without formal courts, meaning people rely on reputation-based business transactions. Thats why the private sector is so highly functional, strong unlike the public sector.

"The Government & Private Sector are Connected in a Mafia-Like Way"

Absoulutely false. The Somali Federal Government (FGS) has almost no control over the private sector. The FGS is weak, foreign-backed, and dependent on aid. It does not control major businesses. Unlike other African countries, where the government dominates the economy, Somalia's businesses function autonomously and do not rely on government contracts.

FGS in Mogadishu is a government put in place by the UN , foreign stake holders who also fund them after dislodging the ICU and unlike Puntland/Somaliland who are organized by local based agreements. It operates and functions outside the accountability frame work of the local community. They neither fund them or elect them, nor do private businesses either.

The government doesn't tax people's income or businesses at all, it taxes the very small limited public services it provides or a small portion of the import/export that come from Mogadishu's port and thats just a fraction.

I go through the break down of their revenue sources for each regional state here:

How will Somalia navigate the new political landscape? Allies? Alliances? Diplomacy?

They are neutral working with all clans unlike Egypt, Qatar and Turkey and Eritrea. Come out Sal balaar boy, we know why abdiqasim salat is in egypt, we know why erdogan is in hamar only yet they convince ppl it's somali benefit. We know Qatar help only hamar also but sold as somali interest. We...

www.somalispot.com

Puntland and Somaliland have local governance models, but they also do not “own” private businesses, they simply provide a more stable business environment.

“Hormuud is a Monopoly”

False claim. Hormuud is just one player in Somalia’s competitive telecom industry.

Hormuud is a conglomerate and they provide some of the cheapest competive telecom prices in the world. They also act as dual investment vehicle for local businesses and so do their sub-contracted businesses. It plays a major role in investment and microfinance, supporting local businesses.

There are like 9 different Telecom providers across the country , Hormuud is only one among many. https://www.lusha.com/company-search/telecommunications/63/somalia/39/ . You utilize different services depending on where you live in the country including Somtel, Telesom, Golis, NationLink, and others.

Competition is fierce, which is why Somalia has some of the lowest mobile and internet price rates in the world. If Hormuud was truly a monopoly, there would be no other telecom companies yet there are many.

"Water, Electricity, and Imports are Monopolized."

This also false. Same with electricity, there are 5 different major business electricity service providers, BECO, ENEE, DAYAH, SOMPOWER and TELESOM.

You can find the same for every sector whether it's water or construction or what have you, Different cities have different private water companies that compete. The port and trade industries are open to multiple investors and businesses.

It's multiple businesses and firms competing with each-other to provide the best quality cheaper services and there is new businesses that join in.

So no it's not only certain people, it's an environment open for everyone to start a business and engage in trade. People invest in eachothers businesses and become stakeholders. The same thing goes for all the privately run universities that are in many proliferating across the capital and across the country.

“Private Businesses Use Violence to Prevent Competition”

False again . They also don't use violence to prevent competition i haven't seen that happen. There are no recorded cases of private companies attacking competitors. Businesses rely on social networks and investor trust, violence would destroy their reputation.

Somalia’s business culture thrives on trust, not mafia tactics.

Entrust We Must: The Role of "Trust" in Somali Economic Life

research.cbs.dk

The only people that actually deals with violence and extortion is Alshabaab. Stuff like demanding “taxes” and disrupting trade. They even put blockades as well.

 

[Afar indhood]

The grudge ridden larper is back again i see. I actually love seeing yall come with misninformation and nonsense peddling because you guys award me the oppurtunity to display real facts about how things operate. You guys are motivated by anger and resentment not real world information or gaining accurate reliable data on Somalia.

Let's break down each claim you make:


Private sector is not corrupt at all, this is widely understood not to be. Reports confirm that corruption is concentrated in the public sector.

Somalia Vision for Private Sector Development Report​

Private sector is actually one of the most efficient, functional, and trusted parts of the country. And it operates outside of the government interference because the government is inefficient, weak and corrupt that people have to avoid and not rely on it.

The private sector has rebuilt the economy in the absence of a strong government , providing telecom, energy, banking, and infrastructure without public funding.

The private sector is built on high trust and open transparency in dealings because Somalia operates largely without formal courts, meaning people rely on reputation-based business transactions. Thats why the private sector is so highly functional, strong unlike the public sector.



Absoulutely false. The Somali Federal Government (FGS) has almost no control over the private sector. The FGS is weak, foreign-backed, and dependent on aid. It does not control major businesses. Unlike other African countries, where the government dominates the economy, Somalia's businesses function autonomously and do not rely on government contracts.

FGS in Mogadishu is a government put in place by the UN , foreign stake holders who also fund them after dislodging the ICU and unlike Puntland/Somaliland who are organized by local based agreements. It operates and functions outside the accountability frame work of the local community. They neither fund them or elect them, nor do private businesses either.

The government doesn't tax people's income or businesses at all, it taxes the very small limited public services it provides or a small portion of the import/export that come from Mogadishu's port and thats just a fraction.

I go through the break down of their revenue sources for each regional state here:

How will Somalia navigate the new political landscape? Allies? Alliances? Diplomacy?

They are neutral working with all clans unlike Egypt, Qatar and Turkey and Eritrea. Come out Sal balaar boy, we know why abdiqasim salat is in egypt, we know why erdogan is in hamar only yet they convince ppl it's somali benefit. We know Qatar help only hamar also but sold as somali interest. We...

www.somalispot.com

Puntland and Somaliland have local governance models, but they also do not “own” private businesses, they simply provide a more stable business environment.



False claim. Hormuud is just one player in Somalia’s competitive telecom industry.

Hormuud is a conglomerate and they provide some of the cheapest competive telecom prices in the world. They also act as dual investment vehicle for local businesses and so do their sub-contracted businesses. It plays a major role in investment and microfinance, supporting local businesses.

There are like 9 different Telecom providers across the country , Hormuud is only one among many. https://www.lusha.com/company-search/telecommunications/63/somalia/39/ . You utilize different services depending on where you live in the country including Somtel, Telesom, Golis, NationLink, and others.

Competition is fierce, which is why Somalia has some of the lowest mobile and internet prices and rates in the world. If Hormuud was truly a monopoly, there would be no other telecom companies yet there are many.



This also false. Same with electricity, there are 5 different major business electricity service providers, BECO, ENEE, DAYAH, SOMPOWER and TELESOM.

You can find the same for every sector whether it's water or construction or what have you, Different cities have different private water companies that compete. The port and trade industries are open to multiple investors and businesses.

It's multiple businesses and firms competing with each-other to provide the best quality cheaper services and there is new businesses that join in.

So no it's not only certain people, it's an environment open for everyone to start a business and engage in trade. People invest in eachothers businesses and become stakeholders. The same thing goes for all the privately run universities that are in many proliferating across the capital and across the country.



False again . They also don't use violence to prevent competition i haven't seen that happen. There are no recorded cases of private companies attacking competitors. Businesses rely on social networks and investor trust, violence would destroy their reputation.

Somalia’s business culture thrives on trust, not mafia tactics.

Entrust We Must: The Role of "Trust" in Somali Economic Life

research.cbs.dk

The only people that actually deals with violence and extortion is Alshabaab. Stuff like demanding “taxes” and disrupting trade. They even put blockades as well.

OK. You can falsely accuse me but I will not tire from correcting and critiquing you.
"grudge ridden larper".

Grudge against who? You?

Larper? What am I larping as?

I admit that I do not know much about SL/PL. But, I am a long-time Xamar live-r. I know how things work here more than the sources that you cite(d) due to a lifelong data that I gathered as Ciyaal Xamar.

I have witnessed some but not many examples of violence in most businesses/trades to prevent competition. Because clan politics dictate how most of these businesses operate. I'm not talking about that. I am talking about few powerful entities that have monopolies in certain areas like importing business. These entities (conglomerates, ganacsato in cahoots) conspire to monopolize import. We don't produce waxba and import almost everything and thus the economy is based on those monopolies.

Use of violence and mafia tactics is widespread across Xamar. In fact, government engages in more economic violence than alshabab through false arrests and shakedowns, isbaaro (there are actual members of the government that have these), land-grabs, soldiers robbing people. Alshabab's extortion is much "fairer" and unlike the government they don't target the weaklings. I think anyone would admit the widespread-ness of violence in almost every walk of life in Xamar - why would it suddenly disappear in "private sector"?

Just reading some reports written by so-called experts (who are indeed alien to the issue/land) doesn't capture the entire picture.

I command you for your vast knowledge about/of Somalia but you should not rely on these half-facts when it comes to issues and contexts that are better learned by experiencing them first hand.

Bal hadda maxaan isku heysanaa aniga iyo adiga? Qof walboo ku khilaafta maxaa ugu eedeysaa wax aadan hubin like having a grudge or being a larper? No more فجور في الخصومة, sis.

I won't argue with you about Somali archeology but I will correct you about issues that I know more than you.

Fight me, diyaasbaro.

 

[Idilinaa]

OK. You can falsely accuse me but I will not tire from correcting and critiquing you.
"grudge ridden larper".

Grudge against who? You?

Larper? What am I larping as?

I admit that I do not know much about SL/PL. But, I am a long-time Xamar live-r. I know how things work here more than the sources that you cite(d) due to a lifelong data that I gathered as Ciyaal Xamar.

I have witnessed some but not many examples of violence in most businesses/trades to prevent competition. Because clan politics dictate how most of these businesses operate. I'm not talking about that. I am talking about few powerful entities that have monopolies in certain areas like importing business. These entities (conglomerates, ganacsato in cahoots) conspire to monopolize import. We don't produce waxba and import almost everything and thus the economy is based on those monopolies.

Use of violence and mafia tactics is widespread across Xamar. In fact, government engages in more economic violence than alshabab through false arrests and shakedowns, isbaaro (there are actual members of the government that have these), land-grabs, soldiers robbing people. Alshabab's extortion is much "fairer" and unlike the government they don't target the weaklings. I think anyone would admit the widespread-ness of violence in almost every walk of life in Xamar - why would it suddenly disappear in "private sector"?

Just reading some reports written by so-called experts (who are indeed alien to the issue/land) doesn't capture the entire picture.

I command you for your vast knowledge about/of Somalia but you should not rely on these half-facts when it comes to issues and contexts that are better learned by experiencing them first hand.

Bal hadda maxaan isku heysanaa aniga iyo adiga? Qof walboo ku khilaafta maxaa ugu eedeysaa wax aadan hubin like having a grudge or being a larper? No more فجور في الخصومة, sis.

I won't argue with you about Somali archeology but I will correct you about issues that I know more than you.

Fight me, diyaasbaro.

I talked to you in another thread where i felt you pretended to be from Hirshabelle since youy didn't even know even the basic level facts about how people live in that region and how they are spread out and manage the land. Now imma be fair to you i don't know if you are a larper or not but you shouldn't spread misinformation and pretend that you know something you don't know much about. Among other things you uttered absurd nonsense like Somalis there have taboo against owning cattle

Lets address these claims again.

Somali businesses use mafia tactics and violence to eliminate competition.

There is no evidence of this.

The businesses thrive on networking, competition and cross investments into each-others ventures. It doesn't help them to bully or destroy their competitor or use violence or intimidation. They benefit from an open business environment not the opposite by eliminating rivals. . If violence was the norm, the private sector would not have grown so rapidly across different industries.

Importing businesses are monopolized, controlling everything.

Conglomerates like Hormuud don't monopolize they expand and diversify . These business conglomerates don't operate any different than say the Keiretsu system in Japan or Korea's Chaebol. They are formed for genuine interests of diversification rather than manipulation of paper return on investment. Companies with this orientation would only make acquisitions or start new branches in other sectors when they believed this would increase profitability or stability by sharing risks.

Somali business culture encourages cooperation and risk-sharing, not predatory monopolies.

Government violence (land grabs, false arrests, shakedowns) is as bad as Al-Shabaab.

While corruption exists, government shakedowns and land grabs are political issues, not private sector issues. Private businesses are often victims of these government practices, not the perpetrators.

“Isbaaros” (illegal checkpoints) prove businesses are involved in economic violence.

The isbaaro's meaning checkpoints that you mentioned are linked to the precarious security situation in Somalia and clans, communities and sometimes even government personnel who share with them trying to provide security and safe passage ways to facilitate trade. They are most widespread in south-central part of Somalia due the presence of Alshabab and weak government control.

Checkpoints are controlled by government officials, local clans, and Al-Shabaab, not private companies.

Even reports from Majid et al. show that the Somali government itself is responsible for more checkpoints than Al-Shabaab. It's the government that's the biggest proliferate and driver of checkpoints.
As Majid et al. report, ‘traders and transporters describe the government as the ‘mother of checkpoints’, contrasting the proliferation of checkpoints in government territory with their relative absence in al-Shabaabareas’ (Majid et al., 2023).

 

[Afar indhood]

I talked you in another thread where i felt you pretended to be from Hirshabelle since youy didn't even know even the basic level facts about how people live in that region and how they are spread out and manage the land. Now imma be fair to you i don't know if you are larper or not but you shouldn't spread misinformation and pretend that you know something you don't know much about. Among other things you uttered absurd nonsense like Somalis there have taboo against owning cattle. .

Lets address these claims again.


Name me one business or company that actually uses violence against their competitors or mafia tactic. Show me one example. It doesn't happen that's why you left out any example, not a single reported example exist.

The businesses thrive on networking, competition and cross investments into each-others ventures. It doesn't help them to bully or destroy their competitor or use violence or intimidation. They benefit from open business environment not the opposite by eliminating rivals. . If violence was the norm, the private sector would not have grown so rapidly across different industries.



Conglomerates like Hormuud don't monopolize they expand and diversify . These business conglomerates don't operate any different than say the Keiretsu system in Japan or Korea's Chaebol. They are formed for genuine interests of diversification rather than manipulation of paper return on investment. Companies with this orientation would only make acquisitions or start new branches in other sectors when they believed this would increase profitability or stability by sharing risks.

Somali business culture encourages cooperation and risk-sharing, not predatory monopolies.



While corruption exists, government shakedowns and land grabs are political issues, not private sector issues. Private businesses are often victims of these government practices, not the perpetrators.



The isbaaro's meaning checkpoints that you mentioned are linked to the precarious security situation in Somalia and clans, communities and sometimes even government personnel who share with them trying to provide security and safe passage ways to facilitate trade. They are most widespread in south-central part of Somalia due the presence of Alshabab and weak government control.

Checkpoints are controlled by government officials, local clans, and Al-Shabaab, not private companies.

Even reports from Majid et al. show that the Somali government itself is responsible for more checkpoints than Al-Shabaab. It's the government that's the biggest proliferate and driver of checkpoints.
As Majid et al. report, ‘traders and transporters describe the government as the ‘mother of checkpoints’, contrasting the proliferation of checkpoints in government territory with their relative absence in al-Shabaabareas’ (Majid et al., 2023).
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I will say it again: owning cattle and eating its meat is/was considered shameful. Farming is/was, too. Fishing and eating fish is/was considered a taboo. Of course, thimgs have changed and these cultural beliefs (unique to certain clans, maybe) are fading away. When I was younger we used to hide when we made a fish meal and light some Cuud and shut the door (my parents feared if our relatives visited us suddenly and saw the abomination we were consuming they'd tell everyone of our clan. We didn't hide it from our ilbax, reermagaal neighbors). Now, things changed and we don't have to hide it since there has been a cultural shift from these norms - within my lifetime. The term "lo'leey" meaning "cattle owner" is used as insult/banter against people who keep cattle. These are actual cultural phenomena that I have experienced which led me to state that these things are/were shameful (like haircutting). Maybe yours is different - but I doubt that since you are a diasbaro whose main knowledge about Somalia is from reading sources like Majid et al. I know more than Majid. (who the hell is he anyway?). The point of that discussion was about historical/cultural practices - not current way of life.


Isbaaros are not due to alshabab as you have stated, nor are they meant for security purposes. There are security checkpoints and then there isbaaro. In middle Shabeelle alone, there (is)/were more than 90 new Isbaaros set up by government and macawiisley after alshabab were kicked out (I don't know how much there are now). New Isbaaros by government soldiers pop up occasionally inside Xamar. For example, Hirshabelle president Guudlaawe runs some. So does/did Saney Cabdulle (who has some of the most violent criminals amongst his soldiers - who go out and commit heinous crimes)

The point I was trying to make is: the private-ness of the somali/Xamar economy doesn't mean the absence of economic government corruption - which was the point of the post/corruptok trend.

It's actually clan politics that mainly governs, protects and insures the private economy. Clan and government policts are very intertwined (although lately government has been gaining the upper hand - which is terrible since you don't have rights with the government but do with qabiil). I say this as a business owner - my clan protects me from the government.

Government - composed mainly of the big guys - robs the little guys like me (luckily I know some people).

In Daarusalaam area, the local businessmen (mostly rich diasbaro) pay a guy to protect them from the government extortion - they reached an agreement with the government that they will pay them taxes but the government soldiers must stay away. These rich guys are able to defend against the government corruption - parts of Xamar where not-so-powerful folks live have to endure the government extortion.

The economy, although private, is not safe from corruption. And this corruption is perpetrated by government/conglomerates/super rich businessmen.

Big businesses, like Hormuud, are themselves victims sometimes - but are protected by their wealth. Of course, they engage in monopoly/price gaging and other corrupt economic practices - many others do. Why wouldn't they in a country with no judiciary?

I can provide one example that was widely reported and you can search it:
Senior police officer and his soldiers kidnapped and murdered a businessman on the order of another one (luckily the officer made a mess and was arrested).


I dare you to start a business importing shidaal/medicine/jaad without having a powerful, armed group to protect you.


English ka waa iga dhammeysay. Mar dambe nin ajnabi wuxuu qoray ha iisoo diliishan.

 

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I will say it again: owning cattle and eating its meat is/was considered shameful. Farming is/was, too. Fishing and eating fish is/was considered a taboo. Of course, thimgs have changed and these cultural beliefs (unique to certain clans, maybe) are fading away. When I was younger we used to hide when we made a fish meal and light some Cuud and shut the door (my parents feared if our relatives visited us suddenly and saw the abomination we were consuming they'd tell everyone of our clan. We didn't hide it from our ilbax, reermagaal neighbors). Now, things changed and we don't have to hide it since there has been a cultural shift from these norms - within my lifetime. The term "lo'leey" meaning "cattle owner" is used as insult/banter against people who keep cattle. These are actual cultural phenomena that I have experienced which led me to state that these things are/were shameful (like haircutting). Maybe yours is different - but I doubt that since you are a diasbaro whose main knowledge about Somalia is from reading sources like Majid et al. I know more than Majid. (who the hell is he anyway?). The point of that discussion was about historical/cultural practices - not current way of life.


Isbaaros are not due to alshabab as you have stated, nor are they meant for security purposes. There are security checkpoints and then there isbaaro. In middle Shabeelle alone, there (is)/were more than 90 new Isbaaros set up by government and macawiisley after alshabab were kicked out (I don't know how much there are now). New Isbaaros by government soldiers pop up occasionally inside Xamar. For example, Hirshabelle president Guudlaawe runs some. So does/did Saney Cabdulle (who has some of the most violent criminals amongst his soldiers - who go out and commit heinous crimes)

The point I was trying to make is: the private-ness of the somali/Xamar economy doesn't mean the absence of economic government corruption - which was the point of the post/corruptok trend.

It's actually clan politics that mainly governs, protects and insures the private economy. Clan and government policts are very intertwined (although lately government has been gaining the upper hand - which is terrible since you don't have rights with the government but do with qabiil). I say this as a business owner - my clan protects me from the government.

Government - composed mainly of the big guys - robs the little guys like me (luckily I know some people).

In Daarusalaam area, the local businessmen (mostly rich diasbaro) pay a guy to protect them from the government extortion - they reached an agreement with the government that they will pay them taxes but the government soldiers must stay away. These rich guys are able to defend against the government corruption - parts of Xamar where not-so-powerful folks live have to endure the government extortion.

The economy, although private, is not safe from corruption. And this corruption is perpetrated by government/conglomerates/super rich businessmen.

Big businesses, like Hormuud, are themselves victims sometimes - but are protected by their wealth. Of course, they engage in monopoly/price gaging and other corrupt economic practices - many others do. Why wouldn't they in a country with no judiciary?

I can provide one example that was widely reported and you can search it:
Senior police officer and his soldiers kidnapped and murdered a businessman on the order of another one (luckily the officer made a mess and was arrested).


I dare you to start a business importing shidaal/medicine/jaad without having a powerful, armed group to protect you.


English ka waa iga dhammeysay. Mar dambe nin ajnabi wuxuu qoray ha iisoo diliishan.

Tht fish part is soo true. My dad grew up in xamar where eating fish was normal but when his family went back to his clans land his parents told them they couldnt eat fish anymore or the people would call them midgan. Thts so crazy. of course they have changed now (decades later) and dont talk bad about fish anymore. They sell it now.