HISTORY Crafted in Stone: The Legacy of Predynastic Egypt vases from the Epipaleolithic

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These types of vases have been found across the region, some dating back 14,500 years. Qadan culture, particularly, has anyone come across these before? These hard stone vases meticulously crafted from materials like diorite, granite, and alabaster represent one of the hallmark luxury items in ancient Egyptian and Nubian material culture. They were widely distributed and found across a range of elite tombs, royal burials, temples, and ceremonial caches.

"Modern laser scanning and profilometric measurements on predynastic and early dynastic stone vessels (especially diorite and granite) have revealed: Many vases have axial symmetry with deviations of less than 0.02 mm, comparable to modern lathe-work. Some exhibit concentric groove patterns inside the walls consistent with rotary motion. Wall thickness varies by fractions of a millimeter, even in tall, narrow-necked vessels. Suggests precise control, possibly using measuring techniques we don’t yet fully understand.

At the UCL Petrie Museum in London, several vessels have been scanned, showing lathe-like spiral grooves inside narrow vessels. Flinders Petrie's Observations (1880s–1910s) even Petrie noted the “impossible” symmetry for the time.

“It would require modern machinery to produce such work today, and it’s inconceivable it was done without.”
Engineers like Christopher Dunn and Stephen Mehler have cited such data to support alternative theories (e.g., "lost technologies"), but these are not supported by archaeological evidence. Egyptologists maintain that."

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Nah, fam. Smells of Ancient Aliens and Graham Hancockism. Waa fake akhbaar.
Read a bit about it, the vases are truly an enigma and they are found across different sites thousands of years apart, truly fascinating.

You can ignore rhe video and even some of the vases can be fake, but there are thousands of them littered across the whole of Egypt.
 

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Read a bit about it, the vases are truly an enigma and they are found across different sites thousands of years apart, truly fascinating.

You can ignore rhe video and even some of the vases can be fake, but there are thousands of them littered across the whole of Egypt.

I'll definitely look into the vases and if this is all true then it's very impressive indeed and could point to a very early tradition of making such vessels along the Nile Valley that was passed down as heirlooms to the AEs and Nubians. Makes some sense when you realize Sudan is a pioneer spot in terms of pottery (predates anything in West-Asia) so it's not far-fetched that they played with stone first somewhere nearby. I just got reactive toward those guys seeming to be tin-foil hatting around unknown pre-Sumerian civilizations.

Yakhi, naga dhaaf... you think some highly sophisticated ancient civilization existed with machining abilities rivalling modern civilization and we can't find any evidence of it in the archaeological record? Niggas are nuts.
 

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I'll definitely look into the vases and if this is all true then it's very impressive indeed and could point to a very early tradition of making such vessels along the Nile Valley that was passed down as heirlooms to the AEs and Nubians. Makes some sense when you realize Sudan is a pioneer spot in terms of pottery (predates anything in West-Asia) so it's not far-fetched that they played with stone first somewhere nearby. I just got reactive toward those guys seeming to be tin-foil hatting around unknown pre-Sumerian civilizations.

Yakhi, naga dhaaf... you think some highly sophisticated ancient civilization existed with machining abilities rivalling modern civilization and we can't find any evidence of it in the archaeological record? Niggas are nuts.
I think they underestimate how long some humans worked with stone, probably a long lost art, human ingenuity is second to none, majority of these hard stone vases are found in upper Egypt.

The scientific community is also hard stuck on certain discovers being x years old, something can be lost, forgotten and then reinvented countless times.

We also need to be open minded and not close ourselves off completely and dig a bit deeper but also be skeptical.
 
I think they underestimate how long some humans worked with stone, probably a long lost art, human ingenuity is second to none, majority of these hard stone vases are found in upper Egypt.

The scientific community is also hard stuck on certain discovers being x years old, something can be lost, forgotten and then reinvented countless times.

We also need to be open minded and not close ourselves off completely and dig a bit deeper but also be skeptical.
Do you also believe in the pillars under the pyramids?
 
I heard Zahi Hawas came out against them? Called the Italian researchers amateurs. Can't find the statement now but saw it on Reddit.
The technology they are claiming to use can’t actually see underground, it’s all conjecture and apparently they’ve done this before. Imagine being smart enough to build such massive stone structures so long ango and dumb enough to dig tunnels under them at the same time. It’s a joke.
 

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Do you also believe in the pillars under the pyramids?
No, the tech needs to be peer reviewed, and the figures surrounding the project seem a bit dodgy, but there is something definitely underneath the pyramids or near it, countless tunnels and possibly a supporting structure, if the pyramids are like other ancient sites, they usually are built on a much older site, it's in human nature to reuse the same places over and over again.
 

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The technology they are claiming to use can’t actually see underground, it’s all conjecture and apparently they’ve done this before. Imagine being smart enough to build such massive stone structures so long ango and dumb enough to dig tunnels under them at the same time. It’s a joke.
They are using SARs but in a new way, they are basically using sound and AI algorithm produced in-house to make these claims, it requires to be peer reviewed rigorously and done using an existing site.

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Ancient egyptians were madmen doing all this building massive statues and perfect vases when the rest of the world were riding horses and being "black-headed" I would almost want to live there if it weren't for the fact that they were polytheistic and i would go to hell for joining their diin


Potmaxxing :lolbron:
 
They are using SARs but in a new way, they are basically using sound and AI algorithm produced in-house to make these claims, it requires to be peer reviewed rigorously and done using an existing site.

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Only one question for you sxb, would you dig tunnels under the heaviest man-made structures ever that you expect to house the pharaohs soul in the afterlife? To us these are just ancient structures but to the people who built them this was their aakhira :damn:
 
Ancient eygots a mysterious place. There's a apparently 4 thosuand year old labyrinth in eygpt that heroesotus said was humongous and had over 3 thousand rooms filled with " cut figures" as well as burial vaults of the kings who first built it. ( although the place is somehwat filled with water now )
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Only one question for you sxb, would you dig tunnels under the heaviest man-made structures ever that you expect to house the pharaohs soul in the afterlife? To us these are just ancient structures but to the people who built them this was their aakhira :damn:
No mummies have ever been found in the Giza pyramids, nor burial goods. The older pyramids are better built, and supposedly in 20 years :lolbron: I call cap, probably took hundreds of years and was a state project, over time, these skills were lost due to the weakening of the state and lack of funds.

It was probably built over time as a religious site, ancient people viewed the stars destination after death, without today's pollution the night sky is truly beautiful, I'll need to take pics next time I am back home.

"The ancient Egyptians believed in a strong connection between the heavens and the afterlife. The three pyramids at Giza are thought by some researchers (especially in the Orion Correlation Theory) to reflect the layout of the three stars in Orion’s Belt.

Scholars believe the builders used the stars, particularly the circumpolar stars (which never set and were considered eternal), to align the pyramids. These stars were associated with the afterlife and divine power.

Orion was associated with the god Osiris, the deity of the afterlife, which fits the pyramids’ funerary purpose."
 

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"Furthermore, the theory for a stellar connection with the pyramids veers toward the weird when supporters argue the pyramids still would have lined up with Orion around 10,000 B.C. The problem there is that 10,000 B.C. is several thousand years before Egyptian culture even existed."

This can be explained quite easily, without the pyramids being older, there was a much older structure present that the locals venerated that pointed to the Orion's belt. Across the different groups that came from the Afroasiatic group, all had astronomical knowledge, for travel, seasons etc...
 
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